Weber!!! 14yr/100mill offer sheet??!! Phucking Fabulous!! (and related threads)

[mall3013]

I wouldn't give up two of Meszaros, Grossmann, Coburn or L. Schenn. It wrecks our depth at a position where that is very meaningful, especially when we're losing Timonen after this coming season.

True. I was just throwing some names out there. I want to keep Mes, Grossman, and the Schenn brothers. I think Voracek, Read, MAB, Lija, Cousins, and some other younger prospects are fair game if this does come down to trade. Untouchables are G, Cooter, Schenn brothers. Either way, I think a trade is going to be made.

 

[mall3013]

The Preds have been trying to trade him to numerous teams for awhile now, they just never got exactly what they wanted in return. That (in addition to everything I've heard and read) tells me he already told them he wants out. There's no need to make that public as his value would decrease once everyone knows he MUST be moved.

Like I said and you repeated, I think we're waiting on a trade to be finalized that involves two to three first rounders heading back to Philly while two to three starters go the other way. I don't want it to go down that way, but if it does, so be it. I'd prefer to just call their bluff and see if they actually CAN match.

All I know is I'm pretty fucking aroused ( not in that way, lol) that Shea Fucking Weber could be playing in orange and black. Let that sink in a bit. That is pretty darn exciting. If it means trading some guys, so be it. I don't think it'll be as bad as I originally thought. I think the Flyers have the leverage here. I know Nashville has the supporters financially, but this is in a whole new stratosphere we are talking about. Homer does not want to fuck over his buddy, therefore something will happen for both parties to be happy. Furthermore, you keep the relationship continuing for further down the road trading partner.

 

[Maverick426h]

True. I was just throwing some names out there. I want to keep Mes, Grossman, and the Schenn brothers. I think Voracek, Read, MAB, Lija, Cousins, and some other younger prospects are fair game if this does come down to trade. Untouchables are G, Cooter, Schenn brothers. Either way, I think a trade is going to be made.

Unfortunately, they are probably going to want at least one (or two) of Coburn, Meszaros, Grossmann or L. Schenn in addition to Voracek and Read (or one of Couturier/B.Schenn). That seems like a lot to give up considering we will still have to pay Weber $110 million altogether, which is roughly $8 million in cap space. He's not exactly cheap. At that price, I hope he's the best defenseman in the Nhl.

The Preds have nobody to be mad at for this offer sheet but themselves. They kept fucking stalling the process of trading Weber and could never quite decide exactly what they wanted. Homer got frustrated and decided to be far more aggressive, which was well within his right at that point.

 

[mall3013]

Unfortunately, they are probably going to want at least one (or two) of Coburn, Meszaros, Grossmann or L. Schenn in addition to Voracek and Read (or one of Couturier/B.Schenn). That seems like a lot to give up considering we will still have to pay Weber $110 million altogether, which is roughly $8 million in cap space. He's not exactly cheap. At that price, I hope he's the best defenseman in the Nhl.

The Preds have nobody to be mad at for this offer sheet but themselves. They kept fucking stalling the process of trading Weber and could never quite decide exactly what they wanted. Homer got frustrated and decided to be far more aggressive, which was well within his right at that point.

Damn it, just the thought of Weber wearing the orange and black sweater makes we want this Wed to come quickly. Patience is a weakness in me. Can't help it.

 

[SantaMonicaFlyer]

Can someone help me understand why people feel that we have to trade players back to Nashville for the picks if they don't match? Doesn't make any sense to me. Are we supposed to feel bad about their ineptitude and inability to sign Weber, or his desire to leave? Tough shit. This sort of thing never happens in any other sport or business/industry, so don't know why we would turn around and trade some combo of Mez, Read, Voracek, Schenn, Couts, or ANYONE to Nashville. Can you imagine APPLE saying, 'Geez, Company X, sorry about kicking your ass to the tune of a few hundred billion dollars. Here's a couple billion and our COO and the patent rights to the iPad to make you feel better'? F-ing insane.

Not to mention that, personally, I'd rather have Schenn/Couts, Read, Mez, and a few 1st Rd picks than Weber anyway. Maybe I'm the retread here, but I can't wrap my brain around the whole trading players for picks to make them feel better or so that Poile and Homer can keep their unprecedented manlove in tact. Anyone?

 

[soulxflare]

Can someone help me understand why people feel that we have to trade players back to Nashville for the picks if they don't match? Doesn't make any sense to me. Are we supposed to feel bad about their ineptitude and inability to sign Weber, or his desire to leave? Tough shit. This sort of thing never happens in any other sport or business/industry, so don't know why we would turn around and trade some combo of Mez, Read, Voracek, Schenn, Couts, or ANYONE to Nashville. Can you imagine APPLE saying, 'Geez, Company X, sorry about kicking your ass to the tune of a few hundred billion dollars. Here's a couple billion and our COO and the patent rights to the iPad to make you feel better'? F-ing insane.

Not to mention that, personally, I'd rather have Schenn/Couts, Read, Mez, and a few 1st Rd picks than Weber anyway. Maybe I'm the retread here, but I can't wrap my brain around the whole trading players for picks to make them feel better or so that Poile and Homer can keep their unprecedented manlove in tact. Anyone?

The experts seem to think that Homer will be able to convince Poole not to match, if they agree to deal some players/picks afterwards.

 

[Vadered]

Can someone help me understand why people feel that we have to trade players back to Nashville for the picks if they don't match? Doesn't make any sense to me. Are we supposed to feel bad about their ineptitude and inability to sign Weber, or his desire to leave? Tough shit. This sort of thing never happens in any other sport or business/industry, so don't know why we would turn around and trade some combo of Mez, Read, Voracek, Schenn, Couts, or ANYONE to Nashville. Can you imagine APPLE saying, 'Geez, Company X, sorry about kicking your ass to the tune of a few hundred billion dollars. Here's a couple billion and our COO and the patent rights to the iPad to make you feel better'? F-ing insane.

Not to mention that, personally, I'd rather have Schenn/Couts, Read, Mez, and a few 1st Rd picks than Weber anyway. Maybe I'm the retread here, but I can't wrap my brain around the whole trading players for picks to make them feel better or so that Poile and Homer can keep their unprecedented manlove in tact. Anyone?

It's not that we'd be trading them back 'cuz the GMs are bros for life, it's that Nashville would say, "Okay, we won't match IF you agree to trade us x and y for some of the picks back." It can't be official until the Weber deadline is passed, but if the Flyers agreed to something like that in order to convince Nashville not to match and then didn't follow through on the deal once we had our man, A) nobody would ever trade with them again, and B) Bettman would probably step in and enforce the move anyway, or he might just toss out the Weber signing altogether and either way would penalize the Flyers for not negotiating in good faith. And we'd deserve it.

 

[flyersfan4706]

If Poile comes asking Homer for a trade, it means that the Predators simply can not match. From there Homer easily says, no, we'll just go with the 4 1st rounders.

 

[SantaMonicaFlyer]

The experts seem to think that Homer will be able to convince Poole not to match, if they agree to deal some players/picks afterwards.

But then the obvious question is 'Should Homer trade Schenn or Coots, Mez, and Read or Voracek [the names being mentioned here] - in addition to a few first round picks - for Weber?' Don't think he should, to be honest. I'd rather they wait it out and see what Nashville does and if they match, whatever - at least he ain't going to the Rags or Pens in the next 14 years. But, hey - I'm not Homer, so...

Guess we'll find out Wednesday/Thursday. I'm going to the beach to watch the girls play volleyball...

 

[mall3013]

But then the obvious question is 'Should Homer trade Schenn or Coots, Mez, and Read or Voracek [the names being mentioned here] - in addition to a few first round picks - for Weber?' Don't think he should, to be honest. I'd rather they wait it out and see what Nashville does and if they match, whatever - at least he ain't going to the Rags or Pens in the next 14 years. But, hey - I'm not Homer, so...

Guess we'll find out Wednesday/Thursday. I'm going to the beach to watch the girls play volleyball...

I can almost guarantee if we get Weber, and I really believe we will, Cooter and the Schenn's are staying put in Philly. We may lose Voracek and Meszaros however. Just my gut feeling.

 

[mall3013]

Just read this on the ESPN board on the status of Weber. From the Hockey Insider it says that Poile did contact Homer and said that he has the ok to match the offer. Poile wants both Schenn's, and Cooter. Homer countered with Read, Voracek, and Meszaros. Take it for what it's worth. I think it's complete bogus.

 

[chy1127]

I have read that the Peds have told Homer they will match unless the "trade" is both Schenns and 2 1sts. Homer has said no and wil go as high as Read, Meszaros and Jake. I think Poile is still bluffing. A little over 3 days and counting.

 

[flyersfan4706]

If Poile says "We will match unless we get 2 firsts and the Schenns" then he is most clearly bluffing.

If the Predators are willing to trade him, it is because they can not affored this contract. I would not believe in 1 million years that if the Preds could match this offer sheet, they would end up trading Weber.

 

[Vadered]

If Poile says "We will match unless we get 2 firsts and the Schenns" then he is most clearly bluffing.

If the Predators are willing to trade him, it is because they can not affored this contract. I would not believe in 1 million years that if the Preds could match this offer sheet, they would end up trading Weber.

You certainly seem adamant about that. I'm not quite as certain, myself. I could see how the ownership wouldn't want to be forced to come up with $27 million in the next year even if they could.

Not that I'd complain if you were right...

 

[Vadered]

Just read this on the ESPN board on the status of Weber. From the Hockey Insider it says that Poile did contact Homer and said that he has the ok to match the offer. Poile wants both Schenn's, and Cooter. Homer countered with Read, Voracek, and Meszaros. Take it for what it's worth. I think it's complete bogus.

Poile can go fuck himself if he wants both Schenns and Cooter.

 

[flyersfan4706]

Just read this on the ESPN board on the status of Weber. From the Hockey Insider it says that Poile did contact Homer and said that he has the ok to match the offer. Poile wants both Schenn's, and Cooter. Homer countered with Read, Voracek, and Meszaros. Take it for what it's worth. I think it's complete bogus.

Poile CAN NOT match the offer if he is discussing trade talks.

 

[flyersfan4706]

You certainly seem adamant about that. I'm not quite as certain, myself. I could see how the ownership wouldn't want to be forced to come up with $27 million in the next year even if they could.

Not that I'd complain if you were right...

If you can offer the league's best defenseman $27million on a long term deal, you do it. If Nashville can afford it, it is a great investment.

 

[Vadered]

If you can offer the league's best defenseman $27million on a long term deal, you do it. If Nashville can afford it, it is a great investment.

Depends on how many chips they have to call in. If they have scramble to find the cash, they could take some hefty penalties, whether it's liquidating assets at less than market value, or having to secure additional investors and diluting ownership, or that sort of stuff. I could certainly see a scenario where it is possible for them to afford Weber but it would basically screw them over financially.

 

[jerseyjigroe]

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[banditshcky11]

Poile CAN NOT match the offer if he is discussing trade talks.

I think you're right. I have a feeling ownership told Poille it doesn't make fiscal sense and now he's scrambling to figure something out. I've never been convinced that Nashville's ownership group has really made the nessecary steps to become a yearly contender. They can't afford to pay Weber and also ice a competitive team unless they are willing to lose revenue purposely and then I think they should be forced to pass up the profit sharing in the league(this is a separate issue though).

In the end I think Homer may send some assets to Poille to lessen the sting but I'm not anticipating it being anywhere close to Mez, Vorachek & Read and definitely not the Schenns & Couts. I see something more like Read, Cousins and Gusty for a 1st & 2nd/3rd going down. That way we payed a bit more for Weber and Poille can say he truly got all he could get out of Homer.


I'm happy I'm not in Homer's shoes though because I'm having a hard time determining how I would handle this. I want Weber but I don't want to decimate out depth at W or D.