We as a fan base are a cross between

[Sharkinva]

Stockholm syndrome, and abused puppies.

This team has managed to be such a clusterfuck for so long

We defend obvious mistakes in every way possible.
Expect them to fuck up at every turn
And expect deep in the back of our heads that even the obvious no brainer good moves will come back to haunt us.

We have lived for so long to be off season champions, that when we are actually in a position to IMPROVE by being patient and actually taking care of our own, a part of us wants to go back into the fast and loose wheel and deal for the exciting pick mode even as we scream how much that shit hasnt worked for us in the past.

 

[kbso83432]

Well let me say this. I will be highly upset if either Jax or Garçon get away.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Stockholm syndrome, and abused puppies.

This team has managed to be such a clusterfuck for so long

We defend obvious mistakes in every way possible.
Expect them to fuck up at every turn
And expect deep in the back of our heads that even the obvious no brainer good moves will come back to haunt us.

We have lived for so long to be off season champions, that when we are actually in a position to IMPROVE by being patient and actually taking care of our own, a part of us wants to go back into the fast and loose wheel and deal for the exciting pick mode even as we scream how much that shit hasnt worked for us in the past.

I think that this is part of the overall culture change. I truly believe that there are a lot of fans (probably the majority) who realize that we need some patience & that the team is finally doing things the rt way. They also realize that this no longer involves splashy signings nor big trades (especially those involving high draft picks).

With continued success fans will soon expect things to go well & be happy with the patient, long term approach. HTTR

 

[SoCalWizFan]

BTW - as usual - I believe that the media totally misrepresents the feelings of most Redskins fans. They act as if we are a group that was very disappointed with losing that Packers game & kind of views things as kind of a failure. They also represent most of us as being angry about getting rid of RG3 or being delusional in thinking that Cousins is the answer.

In reality - at least w/ fans that I interact with - Redskins fans are very pleased with the past season, realize that the playoff result is just part of the growing process & have cautious but high hopes for Cousins & the entire team. We are happy overall but can't embrace this feeling completely due to the recent past.

As one poster here always likes to say it is a good time to be a Redskins fan.

 

[Sportster 72]

I didn't not sense that from the local media at the end of the year. I think most are encouraged and feel the fans are too. Someone like Steinberg of the Post always wants to stir up controversy. He must be Jason Reid's brother. Some of the new reporters for the Post especially (Cali has pointed them out throughout the year) are much more positive. There is a lot of love in DMV for the Skins right now.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I didn't not sense that from the local media at the end of the year. I think most are encouraged and feel the fans are too. Someone like Steinberg of the Post always wants to stir up controversy. He must be Jason Reid's brother. Some of the new reporters for the Post especially (Cali has pointed them out throughout the year) are much more positive. There is a lot of love in DMV for the Skins right now.

That's true & you can see this by the tone of the WP at the current time. There are exceptions - as you noted - but overall they have a positive tone & several of the Redskins haters like Reid & Wise are no longer with them.

 

[deanpet21]

There will always be splashy signings socal. We were in the Iupati bidding war last offseason. Considering the money he got, that would of been a splashy signing if he came here. I think the reason why he signed with the Cards b/c they were a proven winner.

 

[Sharkinva]

Dean... you miss my point.

I realize every team is going to have some kind of flashy signing or draft move that people will rave about.

My problem is, we have gotten so used to that being our big time of year, that even when we should be taking a slow measured approach, we have suggestions of trading starters, tagging Kirk and HOPING some one else signs him so we can get the two 1st rounders. And I would almost guarantee there are those hoping Kirk goes and we keep Griffin ( although no one is going to come right out and say that these days).

 

[deanpet21]

I never said tag Kirk. KC should get a Tannehill deal. The trading for 2 first rounder s was when Shanny was in the mix for the 49ers job. That was just a hypothetical. Who suggested starters to be traded? I don't think Murphy is a starter that is why I said trade him.

 

[gkekoa]

I never said tag Kirk. KC should get a Tannehill deal. The trading for 2 first rounder s was when Shanny was in the mix for the 49ers job. That was just a hypothetical. Who suggested starters to be traded? I don't think Murphy is a starter that is why I said trade him.

Dean...I have shown you what the third and fourth round bring on average. Do you think Murphy is worse less than a guy lucky to be in the league? What do you think organizations expect from players drafted in those rounds? He still has two years on his cheap rookie contract. People think I am crazy when I bring up Ninkovich with Murphy but look at the similarities. Ninkovich was in his fourth year when he got his first sack and in his fifth year he only had 4 sacks. He is about a six sack per year guy that consistently starts for a SB contender. He will never WOW you but he is a solid football player that wins.

 

[deanpet21]

gk, you cant predict the future. You can't predict what a future 3rd or 4th round pick would bring to a team. Its just my opinion that with the signing of Galette would make Murphy a backup with rarely playing on defense and a ST player. With the future pick it could turn out to be the next Jordan Reed. You just don't know. What we do know is that Murphy has a low ceiling. Other teams might take a chance on him b/c of his low contract.

So lets say we get a third for him and we take a center. That center becomes our starting center for the next 4 years. Why would it be a bad trade?

 

[Sharkinva]

I never said tag Kirk. KC should get a Tannehill deal. The trading for 2 first rounder s was when Shanny was in the mix for the 49ers job. That was just a hypothetical. Who suggested starters to be traded? I don't think Murphy is a starter that is why I said trade him.

Dean, I intentionally left names out when I mention some of the crazy shit that has been said not only here but in other forums as well.

But for the record I have seen it posted on the web where there is a portion of the fan base that DOES hope we are unable to resign Kirk... foolishness at this point.

And yes you have said maybe we should try and deal Murphy... based on playing time and production he is a starter. Not an all pro mind you.. but he is a starter. Now might we be better at the position if we resign Gallette?? Sure. But as i mentioned, why get rid of cheap solid depth for a 3rd or 4th rounder in that case.

 

[deanpet21]

I just explained why in my previous post. Do you feel Murphy will start for us in 2016 with Galette signed? Even if he isn't signed I think Smith will start over Murphy in 2016. RK, Galette and Smith are going to be the pass rushers next season. Just my opnion

 

[gkekoa]

gk, you cant predict the future. You can't predict what a future 3rd or 4th round pick would bring to a team. Its just my opinion that with the signing of Galette would make Murphy a backup with rarely playing on defense and a ST player. With the future pick it could turn out to be the next Jordan Reed. You just don't know. What we do know is that Murphy has a low ceiling. Other teams might take a chance on him b/c of his low contract.

So lets say we get a third for him and we take a center. That center becomes our starting center for the next 4 years. Why would it be a bad trade?

I agree, you can't pick the future. You can look at history as a guide. The guide tells you about half of third rounders are lucky to have a job. The numbers are worse for fourth rounders. Murphy would be a backup and if RK went down, he would be a quality backup. I have told you from the beginning, Murphy fits better on the side of RK anyways. That is typically the strong edge where the other side is the better pass rusher.

You are right...a third rounder could be the next Jordan Reed. There is a 1/32 chance of that.

We do not know that Murphy has a low ceiling, we assume it. I can show you countless players who didn't show a high ceiling until years 3, 4, and later. Let me ask you this...just how far away do you see Murphy's ceiling from RK's? I think you have seen the best of RK.

Let's say we take a center in the third...what makes you think he is a starter the next four seasons? History says there is a slim chance he starts in year 1. History says, he will likely be bagging groceries in four years.

I think your problem is unreal expectations. You think any draft pick will be successful. I have shown you most draft picks are not. The typical third round pick is a backup or is just lucky to be in the league. Murphy has proven capable as a spot starter and a solid backup. Why would you trade a successful pick for a lottery ticket?

 

[ehb5]

I think the craziness of the fan base is overhyped. For one I thon all fan bases have fans that are irrational reactionary and misinformed. And secondly I think the media does make it seem worse than it is and in some ways contribute to it being worse than it is. But really who cares I think all of us on here can talk football (mostly) reasonably.

 

[Sharkinva]

I just explained why in my previous post. Do you feel Murphy will start for us in 2016 with Galette signed? Even if he isn't signed I think Smith will start over Murphy in 2016. RK, Galette and Smith are going to be the pass rushers next season. Just my opnion

Fine, lets say he doesnt start. As i have pointed out. We trade him, and then what do we do about depth?? Murphy already knows the system, and fits into it. He had solid, not great mind you, but solid production. And you would give that up for a 4th rounder knowing Gallette missed all this past season due to injury?? TO what purpose?? We get even a 3rd rounder, we still have to replace Murphy on the roster. Because I know you dont think we are going to roll with 3 OLBs for the season right??

 

[redskinsfan]

Fine, lets say he doesnt start. As i have pointed out. We trade him, and then what do we do about depth?? Murphy already knows the system, and fits into it. He had solid, not great mind you, but solid production. And you would give that up for a 4th rounder knowing Gallette missed all this past season due to injury?? TO what purpose?? We get even a 3rd rounder, we still have to replace Murphy on the roster. Because I know you dont think we are going to roll with 3 OLBs for the season right??

Let's say we re-sign Galette and then ink someone like a Bruce Irvin to a reasonable deal. What happens to Murphy then?

 

[ehb5]

Let's say we re-sign Galette and then ink someone like a Bruce Irvin to a reasonable deal. What happens to Murphy then?

I don't see any reason for us to do that.

 

[Sharkinva]

Let's say we re-sign Galette and then ink someone like a Bruce Irvin to a reasonable deal. What happens to Murphy then?

He still stays. He is cheap, reliable depth and in all likelihood we need to carry 5 OLBs on roster in a 3-4 defense in any case

 

[Breed]

Stockholm syndrome, and abused puppies.

No SS or abused puppies for me. I'm just in love with a bitch I can't stand.

Well let me say this. I will be highly upset if either Jax or Garçon get away.

While I do like him. I think I'll be OK if PG should walk or get cut loose. I'd also be cool if he sticks and stays as well. I may be wrong, but I don't see 70 catches, 765 yards, 10.9 ypc, 4.5 TDs, which is what Garcon has averaged over the last couple years. As something that would be impossible to replace.

BTW - as usual - I believe that the media totally misrepresents the feelings of most Redskins fans.

Dude, listen to different media peeps. Or send em a PM, email, telling them to stop acting like triflin ass poopbutts and to fuck Griffin in his neck.
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Things I don't want to see between today and the start of the 2016 NFL season.

Completely overhauling the offense and bringing another chief into the tribe. Circa 2005/2006 Al Saunders offense/Al Saunders

A major player in the front office/brain trust up and quitting unexpectedly. Circa 2007/2008 Joe Gibbs 2nd retirement.

A hard-headed, arrogant ass QB who no one can tell shit to. Circa 2012/2013 Robert Griffin III