Von Miller vs Robert Ayers

[cdumler7]

Miller's athletic ability is multiple, but will his game experience overcome slowing down a step or two on his speed?

I guess why would he slow down? He is 26 right now. Most great pass rushers play at an elite level at least till they are 30. So that would be the next 3-4 years of his contract. The final year or so yes we could see him start to possibly slow down but even then the best pass rushers are winning more on technique than on athleticism. I think we are seeing with Von he is getting much better with his hand techniques and how to set up a blocker. Heck when he was overweight and out of shape in his bad 2013 season he was still one of the most dominant defenders in the league according to PFF.

 

[58crash]

First off there is reason we drafted Shane Ray. Last year our depth at the OLB spot really showed late in the season when Ware had nothing left in the tank. When you throw in there was/still is that this is Ware's last year on the team then the Shane Ray pick makes total sense. Throw in the team could not have known that Barrett would emerge like he has this year. He wasn't even on the 53-man roster last year when we had very little depth at the OLB/DE position. HE worked his tail off this past off season and we are seeing the results of that but the team could not have known that in April when they were drafting. Shane Ray still makes sense as look at our defense this year and part of the reason we are so good is we have such a healthy rotation especially at the OLB spot.

As for Ayers and Miller's stats being similar you are looking at just a couple of stats and making your decision. This would be like me seeing that Matt Ryan is top-5 in yards passing this year so that must mean he is as good as Tom Brady or close to it.

Let me add a few more to your picture here. Von Miller Forced Fumbles and Fumble Recoveries combined he has 7. Robert Ayers 2.


You do not talk snap counts .. Look I am not saying I am not wanting Miller back but what I am saying is at what price ? 100 mil for 10 sacks a year ?????????????? not worth it !
QB Hurries Von Miller 26 Robert Ayers 16.

Throw in just look at the first 5 years of their career. Von Miller 59 sacks to 12 for Robert Ayers. We see a player every year have decent Sack Numbers but not be that great of a pass rusher they just happen to get a sack on a more regular rate when they get to the QB. A hurry or QB Hit can do just as much though as that of a sack yet it rarely shows up when talking top pass rushers. IT is becoming more common to look at those as it does show just how often a player is beating his guy to make a huge impact play.

Is Von Miller worth $100 million to this defense...In my opinion he is. There are maybe 5 guys that have the argument with him as being the top defensive player in the NFL. At such a premium position as pass rusher you just don't let those type of guys walk. When you throw in honestly the pass rush position should be decently cheap this next year even with Von Miller taking his money.

This year the combined total of the 4 pass rushers on the team is $20,513,647. Let's say Von gets that $100 million contract and is making something like $16 million a year. You add in then Barrett who will be cheap maybe another million and Shane Ray at $2.07 million and actually the pass rush position is less next year against the Cap than it is this year.

 

[58crash]

but

With Miller the question is - will the next 5 years be as good as the first 5 years. I wish I was up close to the Miller situation - so I'm informed only by reading stuff, but I would not bet Miller will have 5 more years like the last 5. Miller is likely to get a very big number - that is more guaranteed for injury - than for skill decline - and have a stiff morals clause. It will be somewhere on the axis of that question - who is willing to take the greater chance on Miller due to his history - and potential 2nd five year higher rate of injury with guaranteed money? The Broncos will want to get a discount - I'm sure of that.

Thank you .. cause I belive he is a great player but IMO has already suffered some on lateral movement and why IMO he does not have the sack totals of the past years but what he does helps ...so yes he is worth something just not sure $100

 

[58crash]

Maybe cut his contract in half ? Were either can opt out ?

 

[Mingo]

I guess why would he slow down? He is 26 right now. Most great pass rushers play at an elite level at least till they are 30. So that would be the next 3-4 years of his contract. The final year or so yes we could see him start to possibly slow down but even then the best pass rushers are winning more on technique than on athleticism. I think we are seeing with Von he is getting much better with his hand techniques and how to set up a blocker. Heck when he was overweight and out of shape in his bad 2013 season he was still one of the most dominant defenders in the league according to PFF.

Same reason RBs run down - the wear and tear of the game - potential injuries down the road. Maybe it is anecdotal to just me - but guys who make their living on their wheels don't have particularly long careers.

 

[WalkerBoh]

What that his stats are as good as millers and cost a bag od Doritos to the Giants ?

Look I get Miller is better is he a 100mill better ? I say not even close trade him what what you can .

I remember Denver travelling down this road before with Trevor Pryce. I don't think it will be a very good idea to let Miller go, unless his salary demands are completely unreasonable. Ayres had a career year. I wouldn't put much stock in him being able to continue that production.

 

[randymon]

NO and NO! Ayers woud not demand the attention given to Von at all. I would rather see Denver trade Von, move up in draft and grab Bosa than bring Ayers in

 

[WalkerBoh]

NO and NO! Ayers woud not demand the attention given to Von at all. I would rather see Denver trade Von, move up in draft and grab Bosa than bring Ayers in

We'd probably have to trade Miller to Tennessee for this. But definitely a better idea than Ayers.

 

[58crash]

Who wants Ayers???5 Owyhee

My point is we got plenty pass rush trade him before we spend a $100

I get it he is damn fine player but there is a point were you say can we make our team better with two players and money still left to spend

I will give an instant .. ED kept at 6 mill a year is there that much of a difference in the two ? DT is not that much better ?at what cost two ED's ?

Elway has been money on bargain bin players is all I am saying . lets not spend the team into poverty for Miller and go after bargains .. Draft players like miller . I get it we all want to keep him but in realty He is better off in Cleveland for the Broncos IMO.