Unsportsmanlike Conduct

[Vitamike]

you have to admit their probably has never been a QB that fell into a better situation.

Yep, camp arm with the Rams, and a one year deal with the Cards.

Anyone would love to fall into those situations....

Both teams who were perennial losers prior to his arrival, both teams who he took to the Super Bowl, and both teams who had multiple losing seasons after his departure.

Ideal situations, no doubt.

 

[shopson67]

Again Warner was great but you have to admit their probably has never been a QB that fell into a better situation.

LOL. Who was betting on any kind of success for the Rams entering the '99 season? NOBODY.

You're never going to convince anyone that Bradford has even half of Warner's talent. You might as well avoid Warner in these discussions, as you're getting pummeled.

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

The entire OL we're studs?

You must've forgotten the revolving door that was Fred Miller at RT. Do you not remember Kearse eating him alive both games they played the Titans?

 

[LongtimeRamsFan42]

LOL. Who was betting on any kind of success for the Rams entering the '99 season? NOBODY.

You're never going to convince anyone that Bradford has even half of Warner's talent. You might as well avoid Warner in these discussions, as you're getting pummeled.

100% correct... Some people seem to forget, Warner was a NOBODY at the time... Our '99 season was supposed to be over when Trent Green went down with an injury... Vegas had us the longest shot to get to/win the superbowl(between 500-1 and 1000-1 based on the day and casino)....

 

[zeke2829]

Sorry guys I love Warner but put him on the 2010 Rams and it's 7 wins at best. No HOF's on that team.

Insert poop pile ^^^

 

[zeke2829]

Sorry guys I love Warner but put him on the 2010 Rams and it's 7 wins at best. No HOF's on that team.

Your not a RAM fan!!

 

[zeke2829]

This is about the stupidest comment I've ever read on tHoopla!

Warner, a HOFer QB, the guy with probably the three greatest QB 4th quarter performances in Super Bowl history (No doubt no other QB has had three 4th quarter performances that equal his three) would do no better than your favorite QB's rookie year?

Hell, Bradford himself nearly had more than 7 wins himself with a couple of close losses and you want to feed the Rams boards that one of the best QB's to ever wear horns is 7 wins at best!

That is near blasphemy on these boards and should get you kicked off for even suggesting such rubbish. Luckily for you, that is only my opinion and not the standard on the SportsHoopla boards.

Warner likely takes that 2010 team to no worse than 12 wins & a Division Title, considering all the close losses, and the state of the NFC West in 2010.

Its about gd time! I knew you had it in ya!

 

[27mtrcougar]

100% correct... Some people seem to forget, Warner was a NOBODY at the time... Our '99 season was supposed to be over when Trent Green went down with an injury... Vegas had us the longest shot to get to/win the superbowl(between 500-1 and 1000-1 based on the day and casino)....

That's 100% right. No one knew of Warner when Green went down. No scouts, coaches etc. Further proof all the skill around helped him. no question he played good but you guys can't be that big of homers not acknowledging all the HOF skill around him helped him out tremendously. If you think he does the same thing with Mark Clayton or Danny as his WR's that's just an insult to Bruce and Holt's receiving skills. Marshall Faulk has to be in the top 5 RB of All Time. Steven Jackson doesn't make the top 30. Pace was on a completely different level at LT Defenders gave up trying to get by him. Bradford had Saffold and biggest bust Jason Smith as his Tackles It was the greatest show. Not one person.

 

[zeke2829]

Really? the Cards had Fitz and Boldin in their prime not to mention James in the backfield. All 3 will probably be HOF's. He has always had crazy weapon around him. With great Defense to boot.

I'm just not buying Warner made all these guys HOF's sorry. Again Warner was great but you have to admit their probably has never been a QB that fell into a better situation.

What a chump! Go to the Minny board!

 

[27mtrcougar]

What a chump! Go to the Minny board!

I'm not just saying Bradford would have succeeded on that team most quarterbacks would have. Put Tom Brady on that team and they don't lose a game for years.

 

[LongtimeRamsFan42]

That's 100% right. No one knew of Warner when Green went down. No scouts, coaches etc. Further proof all the skill around helped him. no question he played good but you guys can't be that big of homers not acknowledging all the HOF skill around him helped him out tremendously. If you think he does the same thing with Mark Clayton or Danny as his WR's that's just an insult to Bruce and Holt's receiving skills. Marshall Faulk has to be in the top 5 RB of All Time. Steven Jackson doesn't make the top 30. Pace was on a completely different level at LT Defenders gave up trying to get by him. Bradford had Saffold and biggest bust Jason Smith as his Tackles It was the greatest show. Not one person.

If he did it ONCE, you MIGHT be able to say that.... But Warner did it more than once, so your argument holds no water... Warner went from bagging groceries to the HOF and you're comparing him to a #1 overall pick who has NEVER lead his team to a winning record??? Do you have ANY idea just how ridiculous you sound???

 

[SJ76]

 

[LongtimeRamsFan42]

Also, if ANY QB could've come in and won with that team, why were we the longest shot in the NFL to make/win the superbowl??? Because we were a CRAP franchise. Easy to look back now and say how good they were, but it was the FIRST year of them playing like that. Other than Rams fans, NO ONE expected the 99 Rams to do much even before the Trent Green injury, let alone win the super bowl...

We were just HOPING to make the playoffs in '99 before Greens injury.

 

[27mtrcougar]

If he did it ONCE, you MIGHT be able to say that.... But Warner did it more than once, so your argument holds no water... Warner went from bagging groceries to the HOF and you're comparing him to a #1 overall pick who has NEVER lead his team to a winning record??? Do you have ANY idea just how ridiculous you sound???

I agree he did it with the Cards too. But that also was a loaded team. True Bradford hasn't won anything but he also hasn't been on a team with a quarter of the talent as the 99 or Cards team so how can you really compare? That 99 team sent 7 players to the pro bowl and Holt wasn't one because he was a rookie. I think the team would have had the same result with Green at QB he was pretty damn good.

 

[Rambunctious]

That's 100% right. No one knew of Warner when Green went down. No scouts, coaches etc. Further proof all the skill around helped him. no question he played good but you guys can't be that big of homers not acknowledging all the HOF skill around him helped him out tremendously. If you think he does the same thing with Mark Clayton or Danny as his WR's that's just an insult to Bruce and Holt's receiving skills. Marshall Faulk has to be in the top 5 RB of All Time. Steven Jackson doesn't make the top 30. Pace was on a completely different level at LT Defenders gave up trying to get by him. Bradford had Saffold and biggest bust Jason Smith as his Tackles It was the greatest show. Not one person.

Coug! Now I know your just trying to push our buttons, Bradford is not even half the quarterback Warner was. I would bet Warner could outplay him today in a red shirt scrimmage. I would bet my lives savings on that.

 

[LongtimeRamsFan42]

I agree he did it with the Cards too. But that also was a loaded team. True Bradford hasn't won anything but he also hasn't been on a team with a quarter of the talent as the 99 or Cards team so how can you really compare? That 99 team sent 7 players to the pro bowl and Holt wasn't one because he was a rookie. I think the team would have had the same result with Green at QB he was pretty damn good.

First, you can't say we would've had the same result, we were NOT the favorites to win that year and there are WAY too many variables that have to go just right to win...
Second, We lucked into a guy(Warner) who happened to be more talented than 90+% of the NFL QB's past, present and future... Are you trying to tell me the Pats would've won the Superbowl this year with Garappolo at QB? HIGHLY unlikely, but more likely than us winning in 99 with a QB other than Warner...

Before the 99 season, Bruce had two injury filled lackluster seasons and people were saying he was likely done...
Torry Holt was our #1 pick, hadn't proved a thing in the NFL yet.
Marshall Faulk had already been in the NFL for 5 or 6 years already and the Colts figured to get what they could for him before he broke down, lucky for us, he didn't..

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

Amazing!

I didn't know a rookie WR could be a HOFer. Or another WR coming off of 2 injury riddled seasons could either.

Guys like Az-zahir had their best seasons with Warner at the helm.

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

Faulk had his best years with Warner at the helm as well.

When players are having their best seasons with one QB over others, you can't just say they were HOF players and Warner just benefitted from them.

It goes the other way as well. Great QB's elevate the play of those around them. That's what Warner did.

Bradford? Not so much. Diggs had a great rookie season and disappeared with Bradford at the helm. Hmm!

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

Fitz first three 1400 yd seasons ( 3 of the 4 he's had ) came with Warner at the helm.

Hmm!

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Welker caught 67 passes his final year in Miami from Joey Harrington and Daunte Culpepper. He had almost the same exact yds/rec his first year in NE, was just targeted 45 more times. Call it what you want, but any receiver that averages 82+ receptions per 16 games is a top receiver. Crediting that to Brady doesn't explain his 111-1165-3 with Cassel, or his emerging success with Harrington and Culpepper.

Edelman was a 7th rounder because he was a QB. If he had already converted to WR and played there for a year in college, he likely is drafted earlier. Besides, the round is based on perception from college production, not an accurate evaluation of what the finished product was. Edelman has become Welker-lite.

Nitpicking whether someone is a TE, Flanker, Slot, etc makes no sense in the face of overwhelming statistics; Brady clearly had (and has) phenomenal targets to work with.

We're arguing the same point. Except I happen to give the system (which includes Brady) more of the credit. Look at the production of the majority of WRs once they depart.