Triple Espresso of Coffee Talk

[Bloody Brian Burke]

An icebreaker named Captain Molly Kool - I like it.

Best vehicle named Kool since this one:

 

[KennyBanyeah]

People are mad at John Cleese!

John Cleese criticised for saying London no longer an English city


Of course...

Ethnic groups in London - Wikipedia

White: English/Welsh/Scottish/Northern Irish/British 3,669,284 44.9

...he's right.

Sorry dude but that argument doesn't make much sense. I could just as easily say that Toronto is not a Canadian city because only 12.7% of it's population is ethnically "Canadian". Which I'm pretty sure is not actual Canadian but European Canadian, but I digress. I would be wrong. If you make a city a desirable place like London you're going to have people move in from elsewhere. Doesn't make that place any less English.

 

[elocomotive]

If I posted on social media one day the following...
"I definitely didn't murder anyone in Raleigh, NC last week."

And then proceeded for two years to repeatedly mention every other day that I didn't murder anyone. What do you think my friends would start to think?

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Sorry dude but that argument doesn't make much sense. I could just as easily say that Toronto is not a Canadian city because only 12.7% of it's population is ethnically "Canadian". Which I'm pretty sure is not actual Canadian but European Canadian, but I digress. I would be wrong. If you make a city a desirable place like London you're going to have people move in from elsewhere. Doesn't make that place any less English.

What makes a place English though besides its people? Its status as a seat of government and its institutions are British, not English. Its culture has definitely swayed from its majority-English days into a more diverse ecosystem that shares very little in common with a pre-diverse London.

And that is absolutely in common with Toronto - whatever "Canadian" as an adjective or as an ethnicity is, this city bears almost nothing in common with it nor reflects it demographically.

 

[Comeds]

What makes a place English though besides its people? Its status as a seat of government and its institutions are British, not English. Its culture has definitely swayed from its majority-English days into a more diverse ecosystem that shares very little in common with a pre-diverse London.

And that is absolutely in common with Toronto - whatever "Canadian" as an adjective or as an ethnicity is, this city bears almost nothing in common with it nor reflects it demographically.

The muffins and tea?

 

[Groo]

The muffins and tea?

Biscuts. Tea and biscuts.
I also give marmalade a shout out

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Biscuts. Tea and biscuts.
I also give marmalade a shout out

I think he meant english muffins.

Are you supposed to capitalize the E in english there?

 

[dash]

Biscuts. Tea and biscuts.
I also give marmalade a shout out

Crumpets.

/and cucumber sandwiches

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Crumpets.

/and cucumber sandwiches

Jesus. London no longer being English is the best thing to happen to the city since the Luftwaffe gave up.

 

[thedddd]

Jesus. London no longer being English is the best thing to happen to the city since the Luftwaffe gave up.

But we all agree you know what they are when they have the:

In the can... no less!

 

[Darkstone42]

The muffins and tea?

Nah, dude, it's the weird way they pronounce "oregano."

I'm so glad we got independence from those weirdos.

 

[thedddd]

If I posted on social media one day the following...
"I definitely didn't murder anyone in Raleigh, NC last week."

And then proceeded for two years to repeatedly mention every other day that I didn't murder anyone. What do you think my friends would start to think?

A great guy to hang around with, except in Raleigh?

 

[Groo]

I think he meant english muffins.

Are you supposed to capitalize the E in english there?

Not if your mostly Irish
I don't think they call them that there.
Crumpets

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

"Carbon pollution doesn't know any borders!" said the federal environment minister of the country that shares a massive land border with one of the most environmentally neglectful governments in the world.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

What makes a place English though besides its people? Its status as a seat of government and its institutions are British, not English. Its culture has definitely swayed from its majority-English days into a more diverse ecosystem that shares very little in common with a pre-diverse London.

And that is absolutely in common with Toronto - whatever "Canadian" as an adjective or as an ethnicity is, this city bears almost nothing in common with it nor reflects it demographically.

Cities change. Demographics change. The major institutions of England are still very present and at the forefront of London life. Have people added other elements to the culture based on their places of origin? Yup. It's not the same place at it was in 1950. That's life on a globalized planet. There are tons of Indians in London but if you were teleported into anywhere London you'd be pretty daft to think that you were in Calcutta.

And to use the Toronto comparison again there wasn't talk of it being un-Canadian when it was Italians, Ukrainians and Portuguese flooding in droves. For some reason, for some people it is all of a sudden when it's Syrians and Somalians setting up shop. Not really good optics there.

Major cities of the world are hubs for people to move into. They have an impact but I don't think any expert on urban studies would ever say that a city like Paris or London is no longer English/French because of immigration.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Nah, dude, it's the weird way they pronounce "oregano."

I'm so glad we got independence from those weirdos.

Not to mention driving on the wrong fucking side of the road like ALL THE TIME!!

 

[Darkstone42]

Cities change. Demographics change. The major institutions of England are still very present and at the forefront of London life. Have people added other elements to the culture based on their places of origin? Yup. It's not the same place at it was in 1950. That's life on a globalized planet. There are tons of Indians in London but if you were teleported into anywhere London you'd be pretty daft to think that you were in Calcutta.

And to use the Toronto comparison again there wasn't talk of it being un-Canadian when it was Italians, Ukrainians and Portuguese flooding in droves. For some reason, for some people it is all of a sudden when it's Syrians and Somalians setting up shop. Not really good optics there.

Major cities of the world are hubs for people to move into. They have an impact but I don't think any expert on urban studies would ever say that a city like Paris or London is no longer English/French because of immigration.

English culture is inextricably historically linked with Indian culture on top of it. And that's been the case for a long, long time.

 

[dash]

Not to mention driving on the wrong fucking side of the road like ALL THE TIME!!

On the plus side they did give us roundabouts which are fantastic.

/Of course, in Edmonton they put traffic lights on their roundabouts which defeats the whole purpose.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

On the plus side they did give us roundabouts which are fantastic.

/Of course, in Edmonton they put traffic lights on their roundabouts which defeats the whole purpose.

I've never seen that in Edmonton! Crazy talk. I guess I need to spend more time in Edmonton.





yeah, no, no.. no I don't. I'll just take your word for it.

Love roundabouts though!!

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

On the plus side they did give us roundabouts which are fantastic.

/Of course, in Edmonton they put traffic lights on their roundabouts which defeats the whole purpose.

Roundabouts or traffic circles? Important distinction.