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Why ask about Sanders? He will not ever be anywhere near the office of president.

 

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Why ask about Sanders? He will not ever be anywhere near the office of president.

I think the poll asked about Sanders mainly for comparison purposes - Below is the chart:

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Why ask about Sanders? He will not ever be anywhere near the office of president.

By most early national polling Bernie Sanders is in a virtual tie with Joe Biden for Democratic frontrunner.

Hillary is still up there in some too lol.

I think the poll asked about Sanders mainly for comparison purposes - Below is the chart:

Just goes to show that "who do you like" polls mean jack shit - Notley and Ford are political opposites but nationally they're both hated. May has to fight for 1 seat in Ottawa but she's equal to Scheer who has a legit shot at the PMO next fall.

Two things I think we all agree on is that Bernier's an asshole and Jagmeet may just bring upon the death of the NDP that is so badly needed.

 

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I like Rachel Notley, but I'm not a Ford fan.

 

[forty_three]

By most early national polling Bernie Sanders is in a virtual tie with Joe Biden for Democratic frontrunner.

Hillary is still up there in some too lol.

I wouldn't be opposed to Biden, but he could be somewhat easy to run against. "Old, bumbling Joe". I'd prefer him somewhere like secretary of state.

The Democrats need to find new or newer blood. Some take no shit young leaders, and not talk show hosts, antagonistic lawyers or their own reality TV stars.. Stop looking backwards (meaning no John Kerry either). If they run Hillary again, I am leaving the country. It'll be beyond repair.

Same if they retake the house. No Pelosi. Time to move forward.



I am dreaming, I know.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I like Rachel Notley, but I'm not a Ford fan.

He's a buffoon, but Ontario needed his politics for a few years. Wynne/McGuinty mismanaged the finances here so bad and kept winning elections because their opponents were even worse than Ford every single fucking time (three times from 2007-2014). We have as much debt as EVERY OTHER PROVINCE COMBINED, half that of the federal government, more than any US state, and after 1 year of balanced books the Liberals plunged us right back into 8 figure deficits to try and buy an election.

I honestly don't know what the answer is in terms of good governance because my entire life all I've known are asshats.

I wouldn't be opposed to Biden, but he could be somewhat easy to run against. "Old, bumbling Joe". I'd prefer him somewhere like secretary of state.

The Democrats need to find new or newer blood. Some take no shit young leaders, and not talk show hosts, antagonistic lawyers or their own reality TV stars.. Stop looking backwards (meaning no John Kerry either). If they run Hillary again, I am leaving the country. It'll be beyond repair.

Same if they retake the house. No Pelosi. Time to move forward.



I am dreaming, I know.

If Biden or Bernie or Pocahontas win the nomination the Dems are doomed.

You're right that they need newer blood but I'm not sure they have it yet. Duckworth seems like a winner but she also may need some more polishing at the national level.

I think Kamala could get a lot of hype going though. Whip smart, doesn't take shit, legal genius, black woman. Seems to check every box.

 

[forty_three]

Three killed in shooting at Rite Aid distribution center in Harford County, AP says

I used to work in that building.

 

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I honestly don't know what the answer is in terms of good governance because my entire life all I've known are asshats.

I was too young to recognize the greatness of Peter Lougheed, but nobody has come close to him as far as Alberta is concerned since.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I was too young to recognize the greatness of Peter Lougheed, but nobody has come close to him as far as Alberta is concerned since.

People say the same about Bill Davis here.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

I was too young to recognize the greatness of Peter Lougheed, but nobody has come close to him as far as Alberta is concerned since.

I obviously wasn't around for Lougheed but this NDP government has been leaps and bounds better than any of the conservative governments I've seen in Alberta. Hasn't been a high bar to clear with the lazy fuckers the Cons became in Alberta. That's what happens when you have a bunch of mindless sheep who vote along party lines no matter what happens.

 

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I obviously wasn't around for Lougheed but this NDP government has been leaps and bounds better than any of the conservative governments I've seen in Alberta. Hasn't been a high bar to clear with the lazy fuckers the Cons became in Alberta. That's what happens when you have a bunch of mindless sheep who vote along party lines no matter what happens.

Yeah, that's why I said earlier that I like Notley, she's trying to do what's best for Alberta and is not getting the support she needs from Junior (in my opinion).

 

[Groo]

He's a buffoon, but Ontario needed his politics for a few years. Wynne/McGuinty mismanaged the finances here so bad and kept winning elections because their opponents were even worse than Ford every single fucking time (three times from 2007-2014). We have as much debt as EVERY OTHER PROVINCE COMBINED, half that of the federal government, more than any US state, and after 1 year of balanced books the Liberals plunged us right back into 8 figure deficits to try and buy an election.

I honestly don't know what the answer is in terms of good governance because my entire life all I've known are asshats.


If Biden or Bernie or Pocahontas win the nomination the Dems are doomed.

You're right that they need newer blood but I'm not sure they have it yet. Duckworth seems like a winner but she also may need some more polishing at the national level.

I think Kamala could get a lot of hype going though. Whip smart, doesn't take shit, legal genius, black woman. Seems to check every box.

Harris is the epitomy of a San Fransico liberal
Her time there as the DA offers up no shortage of red meat to throw back at her
She'd be as big or bigger of a mistake than the legion of doom you brought up

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Yeah, that's why I said earlier that I like Notley, she's trying to do what's best for Alberta and is not getting the support she needs from Junior (in my opinion).

Man, she was so visibly pissed at him when they met last month.

Can't really blame her - when Harper left office Canada had 3 major pipelines in the works and today two are dead and one is on gov't-assisted life support.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Harris is the epitomy of a San Fransico liberal
Her time there as the DA offers up no shortage of red meat to throw back at her
She'd be as big or bigger of a mistake than the legion of doom you brought up

I think the Democrats have a better chance with a left-leaning candidate than another Clinton/Biden centrist.

Trump, for all his faults, is an incumbent with a healthy economy. Those circumstances historically haven't produced losers in presidential races. The Democrats can't rely on centrism to get back the WH.

 

[Groo]

I think the Democrats have a better chance with a left-leaning candidate than another Clinton/Biden centrist.

Trump, for all his faults, is an incumbent with a healthy economy. Those circumstances historically haven't produced losers in presidential races. The Democrats can't rely on centrism to get back the WH.

And I'm of the school they taking the George McGovern approach will lead to the same end
How would a Harris type candidate play in a Youngstown type town/area
In the end, it was close races in rustbelt states that put the donald in the oval office.

 

[elocomotive]

Where are his paper towels?

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

And I'm of the school they taking the George McGovern approach will lead to the same end
How would a Harris type candidate play in a Youngstown type town/area
In the end, it was close races in rustbelt states that put the donald in the oval office.

Democrats win when they energize their base. They need to realize that going after "swing votes" is a waste of resources - most Republicans aren't going anywhere near a Democratic candidate.

 

[Groo]

Democrats win when they energize their base. They need to realize that going after "swing votes" is a waste of resources - most Republicans aren't going anywhere near a Democratic candidate.

They are swing voters because the can go either way
The donald won by getting the white labor vote away from the dems. Running some quasi - socialist isn't going to win back that vote.
Dems won in the past by runnng southern white males

 

[forty_three]

Democrats win when they energize their base. They need to realize that going after "swing votes" is a waste of resources - most Republicans aren't going anywhere near a Democratic candidate.

Anyone who solely identifies as a staunch voter one way is unlikely to vote for the other party. But there are a lot of people who vote on the simple question of "who is going to do what I want them to do? Who is going to help ME?". The political spectrum is 10% wingnuts on each side and 80% doesn't really disagree totally, and generally are all just trying to live their lives and be happy. We campaign on appealing to the 10 % on either side, and the 80% in the middle just shrugs and picks someone. That's why they are "swing" voters.

Probably around 25-30% of votes are completely lost for Democrats every time. The single issue voters who do not care what happens as long as no one takes their guns, lets gays marry, raises taxes or lets women have abortions. The Republicans have latched onto those voters with giant claws, so that means the Republicans only have to swing about 21% or so for majority (not accounting electoral college and gerrymandering shenanigans). Feels like the hardcore socialist single issue voters (everything should be like, free, man) isn't as high as a percentage and it's possibly a lot of pot heads who will probably forget to vote anyway. So Democrats have to convince so many more people.

Like you said, if they energize their base, they win. Because people in cities and more densely populated areas are more likely to vote Dem. And I doubt any state has more rural population than Urban/Suburban.

I am not sure they need to run on anything other than "look at what you see with your own eyes. Corruption, Scandal, Government ineffectiveness. You voted to drain the swamp. It's only gotten bigger". That's why I think younger, new blood is needed. Just my .02. None of these old party line toeing mofos should stay. We live in a different world now than the one Mitch McConnel and Nancy Pelosi grew up in. .

They are swing voters because the can go either way
The donald won by getting the white labor vote away from the dems. Running some quasi - socialist isn't going to win back that vote.
Dems won in the past by runnng southern white males

This ^

 

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