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iknowftbll

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I've not seen anything to indicate the Broncos are shopping Trevor Siemian. In fact, what I'm seeing is they seem to be taking "open competition" at QB. I'm also seeing on MHR that Mike McCoy is about to re-up as our OC, which I consider really good news.

So with a new OC now may be as good a time as any to transition to Lynch. And that's coming from a guy who was in Siemian's corner. If the Broncos move forward with Lynch, there may be a way to still get the most out of Siemian.

Why not package him in a trade to Cleveland for Joe Thomas? It may involve a third team and some additional draft capital, but given the QB situation in Cleveland, Siemian is as good an option to them as is anyone currently on their roster.

I'm not as well versed in the draft and trades and how teams structure these types of deals, but I'm throwing this idea out there because 1) we all know Elway reads this board and puts our ideas to reality and 2) one of you off season transaction geeks can probably devise a way a deal like this could work.

Your thoughts?
 
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I'm also not sure that Cleveland would have interest in this trade. Looks like they might be drafting a QB again this year or maybe trying to snag one in free agency. If they go the free agency route, I'm guessing that they would want someone that is a little more proven.

Also not sure how many good years Joe Thomas has left but to have a vet like that added to our O-line would inevitably be a good thing, at least for the short term.
 

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If the Browns aren't interesting in Siemian perhaps there's a 3rd partner that could get involved. I could see the 49ers being interested in a QB so maybe they move a draft pick(s) to get Siemian, the Broncos move Siemian to get Thomas, and the Browns move Thomas to get picks.
 

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You have to look at what qbs could be available in FA. What I see as of now, is sad. One scenario you can look at is Romo. To me his best option is to restructure and stay in Dallas as back up. For one thing, any contenders or potential contenders,have their Qb already. Romo won't go to a team that is not close to contending nor will he go to a team that doesn't have warm climate or dome. If you really look at the options for Romo and what teams he could possibly be interested in , his best bet and circumstances is remain in Dallas. As far as other potential fa qbs that are out there or could become available..........I'd just as soon gamble on the draft than plucking anyone from the very poorish fa qb pool. Because of Daks success and where he was drafted, I think teams that need a qb will be more than tempted to use draft than any of the fa qbs out there. Imo of course. :)
 

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Old Bronco QBs never really go away, but they do tend to get the GMs that acquire them fired.
 

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Any more thoughts on this trade option now that Okung is leaving?
 

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I would still love it
 

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Why not just trade 20 and our 2 for 12 and draft one. It would be a younger hopefully longterm solution. I think the Joe Thomas dream is just that a dream. JE already kicked the tires on him before.
 

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I think Denver is screwed to tell you the truth. Elway is going to have to overpay for years of neglect , bad drafting/coaching along the Oline.
 

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Why not just trade 20 and our 2 for 12 and draft one. It would be a younger hopefully longterm solution. I think the Joe Thomas dream is just that a dream. JE already kicked the tires on him before.
I thought the top 3 Olineman will be available around our pick anyways since this is a rather crappy OLine draft.
 

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I thought the top 3 Olineman will be available around our pick anyways since this is a rather crappy OLine draft.

Yeah not a great draft to need OL help and then again not a great FA period to need OL help. Doesn't mean the Broncos can't upgrade the OL just means good chance they have to overpay to make it happen. To me if they can get Whitworth that would be a huge upgrade at the LT spot. The Guard FA class is actually pretty good and deep this year so I think they can easily find a quality starter for one of the guard spots. That leaves the RT spot that continues to be a problem and might require the Broncos relying on a rookie to man the spot.
 

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The Broncos can't rebuild the entire O-line. The draft is thin and so is Free Agency. We're going to have to rely on some of the less than stellar performers last year todevelop and grow into something better. Maybe the new coaching staff will get more out of a player or two. The Patriots were able to get much improved play out of some of their poor performing starters from the season prior. There just isn't a lot out there to offer an upgrade. I suspect that it will continue to be a weakness for us.
 

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The Broncos can't rebuild the entire O-line. The draft is thin and so is Free Agency. We're going to have to rely on some of the less than stellar performers last year todevelop and grow into something better. Maybe the new coaching staff will get more out of a player or two. The Patriots were able to get much improved play out of some of their poor performing starters from the season prior. There just isn't a lot out there to offer an upgrade. I suspect that it will continue to be a weakness for us.

Yup the biggest bump to our OL probably won't be players we bring in but the possibility of the coaching staff finally gettin gsomething out of these players.
 

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Yup the biggest bump to our OL probably won't be players we bring in but the possibility of the coaching staff finally gettin gsomething out of these players.

I agree. This is the third straight year the O-line will be turned over significantly and we're kidding ourselves if we think the unit will be significantly improved over last season. I am hoping for marginal improvement. Maybe make an upgrade on the LT position and hope for the best elsewhere. McCoy is known for scheming to his players strengths. Kubiak certainly didn't do that, as we saw in that game where Mack sacked Oz 25 times and the Broncos still didn't give Scof any help. McCoy I think will be better about that kind of thing.
 

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They better start juicing some of these guys up
 

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Myself and some others on here haven't been as confident as others as to the skill set of the current O line . A few on here think it was more the learning curve and thus more reps, etc, etc bla,bla and they would come around and be NFL quality linemen. This year were going to find out. The system now is going to be " thinking friendly " for those that stick around anyway. Myself, I watched to many of them get over powered " when " they actually executed their assignments. Man to man, power vs power, no finesse, they got whipped consistently. The rbs had no chance. Those that blamed the rbs for missing holes that were there is bothersome to me. What they tend to not understand or recognize, is the confidence in the back to trust that the hole will actually be there. When 3 out of 4 times he's blown up behind or at line of scrimmage, his reaction and instincts are in jeopardy. Running backs are very reliant on rhythm. Not every back is a Barry Sanders with exceptional cut back ability. Why was Terrell Davis so successful ? Because on a consistent basis, he knew that the zone block execution by his line would be there more than not. He didn't really have to " see " the hole, he just had to hit the cutback " SPOT ", like he did every day in practice. What he did after that, was all TD. The backs we have can be very effective behind some tough lineman. A Mac or Samuel would also be killer to go with the guys they have.....IF IN A !!!!!!!
 

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Myself and some others on here haven't been as confident as others as to the skill set of the current O line . A few on here think it was more the learning curve and thus more reps, etc, etc bla,bla and they would come around and be NFL quality linemen. This year were going to find out. The system now is going to be " thinking friendly " for those that stick around anyway. Myself, I watched to many of them get over powered " when " they actually executed their assignments. Man to man, power vs power, no finesse, they got whipped consistently. The rbs had no chance. Those that blamed the rbs for missing holes that were there is bothersome to me. What they tend to not understand or recognize, is the confidence in the back to trust that the hole will actually be there. When 3 out of 4 times he's blown up behind or at line of scrimmage, his reaction and instincts are in jeopardy. Running backs are very reliant on rhythm. Not every back is a Barry Sanders with exceptional cut back ability. Why was Terrell Davis so successful ? Because on a consistent basis, he knew that the zone block execution by his line would be there more than not. He didn't really have to " see " the hole, he just had to hit the cutback " SPOT ", like he did every day in practice. What he did after that, was all TD. The backs we have can be very effective behind some tough lineman. A Mac or Samuel would also be killer to go with the guys they have.....IF IN A !!!!!!!

There are some that I have hope for and others that I do not. I think that Garcia could be a player that has a nice bounce back year with some good coaching and I would say a system that should fit his skill set better. He has shown glimpses of doing well. Heck last year the Broncos when running off the left end averaged over 5 yards per carry. The combination of Garcia and Okung in the run game was the one successful pairing we had working. Unfortunately our coaching staff chose to run it over the right side of the line that averaged less than 2.3 yards per carry more often than the left.
I also want to see how McGovern can do in a power blocking scheme as that was his big claim to fame was him being the strongest OL player in last year's class and why so many were surprised we took him.

Beyond those two I don't really see much hope for the others. Schofield can be a decent swing tackle but just doesn't have the strength to hold up on the inside. Sambrailo unfortunately has had injuries completely derail any chance he had of being successful. I will be a bit shocked if he hangs on to a 53-man roster spot.

In the NFL teams usually keep 8 OL players on the 53-man roster. I only see 4 players the Broncos have right now making that roster in Schofield, Garcia, McGovern, and Paradis. Tough place to be in and one of the spots Elway has struggled to find success in either the draft or FA. Maybe the new coaching staff can help give him some better ideas of what he should be looking for.
 

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From what I've been reading - the LT is still a foundation piece of the offense, but less so in recent years - as defenses have been moving guys around to rush from multiple locations at the LOS. I believe a power run game where the LOS is contested - improves the run game - wears out the defense - and protects the QB since pass is not the predictable option.

We have all been rejecting the idea of Whitworth as a possibility, but it would appear to be a better option at closer inspection. It is the Bengals- afterall - they are cheap. The Broncos could sign Whitworth to a two year deal for a fairly high number - while they draft a round - 2-4 guy to develop behind him.
 
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