Top 32 tournament 3B Robinson vs Rolen

[obxyankeefan]

Top 32 players ranked by BRWAR(as of 6/18/15).

3Basemen Bracket is:

1 M Schmidt 6
32 D DeCinces 0

16 S Bando 3
17 D Evans 7

8 P Molitor 10
25 H Groh 2

9 R Santo 7
24 D Wright 1

4 G Brett 12
29 J McGraw 0

13 B Bell 6
20 J Collins 0

5 C Jones 13
28 M Williams 0

12 G Nettles 8
21 S Hack 3

3 W Boggs 13
30 D White 0

14 F Baker 9
19 R Cey 1

6 A Beltre 13
27 L Cross 0

11 E Martinez 11
22 T Harrah 1

2 E Mathews 11
31 G Gaetti 0

15 K Boyer 7
18 R Ventura 5

7 B Robinson 9
26 L Gardner 0

10 S Rolen 9
23 B Elliott 0

1 M Schmidt 15
17 D Evans 0

8 P Molitor 4 advances on seed
9 R Santo 4

4 G Brett 13
13 B Bell 0

5 C Jones 7
12 G Nettles 1

3 W Boggs 9
14 F Baker 2

6 A Beltre 10
11 E Martinez 2

2 E Mathews 11
15 K Boyer 0

7 B Robinson
10 S Rolen

1 M Schmidt
8 P Molitor

4 G Brett
5 C Jones

3 W Boggs
6 A Beltre

2 E Mathews

 

[obxyankeefan]

Brooks Robinson Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com
Beat Larry Gardner 9-0

Scott Rolen Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com
Beat Bob Elliott 9-0

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Power- Rolen(close if you use MLB averages)
Rolen- XBH, Career 10.3%, Best=12%, 7 seasons better than career average, 10 seasons of 10% or better, MLB average- 7.9%, career OPS+=122, best OPS+=158, 8 seasons better than career average OPS+
Robinson- XBH, Career 6.9, best 11.1, 12 seasons better than average, 1 season over 10%, MLB average- 6.2%
Career OPS+ 104, Best= 145, 10 seasons better than career average

SO- Robinson(Semi close)
Robinson- Career 8.1%, best= 5.3, 14 seasons better than career average, MLB average=14.1
Rolen- Career-16.6, Best=11.6, 10 seasons better than career average, MLB average= 17.3

BB- Rolen wins

Rolen- Career= 10.6, Best=13.5, 8 seasons better than career average, MLB average= 8.7
Robinson- Career=7.3%, Best=9.5%, 11 seasons better than average, MLB average= 8.6

BA- Tie
Rolen- career=.281, best=.314, seasons over .300, 7 seasons over career average
Robinson- Career=.267, Best=.317, 2 seasons over .300, 11 seasons over career average

playoffs- Brooks wins(not close)

Defense- Robinson wins( pretty close)
Career longevity- Robinson wins(3000 more PA)

intangibles- Robinson wins
2 WS wins + a WS MVP, and a Regular season MVP
Vs rolen only one WS win and No MVPs...




This one is tough... They are so close... We got Robinson who is seen to be the best defensive 3B vs Rolen...

Rolen was a better hitter, but not significantly, while Robinson was a better defender, but not significantly...

This is so close that I have to go with the intangibles and the playoffs... Brooks Robinson was significantly better there...

 

[calsnowskier]

OPS+ (Robinson/Rolen)
120 - 5/10
130 - 1/3
140 - 1/1
150 - 0/1

Clear win for Rolen.

oWAR7
Robinson - 32.2
Rolen - 33.5

Close win for Rolen.

SBs
A complete non-issue for Robinson. While not a major weapon for Rolen, he did have good rates and 5 seasons with 10+ swipes.

Clear win for Rolen.

Defense - Robinson is considered the GOAT. But Rolen is one of only a handful of players who belongs in the conversation with him. That is what makes this such a fun matchup.

Close win for Robinson.

Post-Season
Robinson had 4 series' with an OPS better than 1.000, and 2 rings in 9 total series'.
Rolen had 3 series' at 1.000+ and one ring in 9 total series'. However, he did have the key error in the '12 NLDS that arguably cost the Reds the series.

Close win for Robinson.

Damn, this a tough one. My gut says "Duh, it was Robinson!". But the analysis makes it very close. Rolen was a marginal offensive threat while Robinson was really just a contributor. Both were considered their generation's best defensive 3B.

Robinson has an extra ring and is a face of an organization, so I will go with him, but that is almost a coin flip.

 

[navamind]

Robinson because of longevity. I think Rolen was a better ballplayer though. I think the gap offensively is bigger than the gap defensively. To Robinson's credit, he was a pretty damn good hitter at his peak.

 

[calsnowskier]

Yesterday, I considered Rolen a boarder line HOFer, at best. Now I think he is firmly on my list.

Thanks, Oxy...