Top 10 poll: #7 player ever

[MilkSpiller22]

W

Williams played over half his career after 1947

sure, but even after Robinson, its not like blacks just were in the league... they didn't really come in until the 50s...

and Williams had 5 of his best 6 seasons before 1950... and best 3 seasons were all before 1947

 

[msgkings322]

sure, but even after Robinson, its not like blacks just were in the league... they didn't really come in until the 50s...

and Williams had 5 of his best 6 seasons before 1950... and best 3 seasons were all before 1947

LOL you're dancing around this. Plenty of all time great black players in late 40s already. Williams played until 1960. He's not a pre-barrier player.

 

[msgkings322]

sure, but even after Robinson, its not like blacks just were in the league... they didn't really come in until the 50s...

and Williams had 5 of his best 6 seasons before 1950... and best 3 seasons were all before 1947

One more thing: in 1949 Williams won his 2nd and final MVP. That same year the NL MVP was...Jackie Robinson (he hit .342 that year with 38 doubles/12 triples/16 homers)

Bullshit on Williams best before 1947. Won an MVP after for chrissakes.

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[MilkSpiller22]

LOL you're dancing around this. Plenty of all time great black players in late 40s already. Williams played until 1960. He's not a pre-barrier player.

how am I dancing around this?? his 3 best seasons were before the color barrier...

 

[msgkings322]

how am I dancing around this?? his 3 best seasons were before the color barrier...

NOPE

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[MilkSpiller22]

NOPE

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Baseball Demographics, 1947-2016 – Society for American Baseball Research

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Jackie robinson might have broken the barrier in 1947, but that does not mean blacks were in baseball... not immediately...

again... Ted Williams was not a post color barrier player... I am shocked you are even arguing this...

 

[msgkings322]

Baseball Demographics, 1947-2016 – Society for American Baseball Research

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Jackie robinson might have broken the barrier in 1947, but that does not mean blacks were in baseball... not immediately...

again... Ted Williams was not a post color barrier player... I am shocked you are even arguing this...

Bruh it's the exact opposite. He started before, played most of his career after. Oh and WON AN MVP THE SAME YEAR AS JACKIE FREAKING ROBINSON. Yeah, that's pre barrier.

You're just using vagueness 'not immediately' LOL. Yes immediately. It's a barrier not a cloud. In 1949 Robinson, Paige, Campanella, Doby, Newcombe, Irvin were all in the league.

You couldn't be more wrong here.

 

[DrewScott]

I know it's time to heavily consider Arod now, .295 average and 696 career HR's, for a SS. But I just dislike him so much. I'll put my biases aside. I'm nominating Alex Rodrigues for the 7th best player of all time.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Bruh it's the exact opposite. He started before, played most of his career after. Oh and WON AN MVP THE SAME YEAR AS JACKIE FREAKING ROBINSON. Yeah, that's pre barrier.

You're just using vagueness 'not immediately' LOL. Yes immediately. It's a barrier not a cloud. In 1949 Robinson, Paige, Campanella, Doby, Newcombe, Irvin were all in the league.

You couldn't be more wrong here.

what are you talking about... again... he had his best 3 seasons Based on WAR before 1947... and 5 of his top 6 seasons before 1950...

there is no vagueness here... just look at the chart I linked...

really interesting how you want to rewrite baseball history here...

 

[broncosmitty]

what are you talking about... again... he had his best 3 seasons Based on WAR before 1947... and 5 of his top 6 seasons before 1950...

there is no vagueness here... just look at the chart I linked...

really interesting how you want to rewrite baseball history here...

Williams played most of his career in a desegregated league.

And was lucky his name was Teddy. Or he might’ve been segregated out for the earlier portion of his career.

 

[msgkings322]

what are you talking about... again... he had his best 3 seasons Based on WAR before 1947... and 5 of his top 6 seasons before 1950...

there is no vagueness here... just look at the chart I linked...

really interesting how you want to rewrite baseball history here...

LOL. Do a poll. Or don’t you’re nuts. It’s fine it’s just opinions yours is rare

 

[calsnowskier]

This argument falls apart if you watch the Giants hit a double with a guy on first.

Hell. For the Giants, there is only about a 65% chance a guy on second will score on a double.

 

[calsnowskier]

@calsnowskier been yakking with my baseball obsessed dad about this: we need to add Yogi Berra and Warren Spahn to the nomination list

I already did. Though I spelled them “O-t-h-e-r”

 

[calsnowskier]

How far do you plan to go with this? Top 10 leaves so many greats off. If you're up for it we should go to 20. You can shorten the time frames if you want, but this is fun, don't want it to end at just 10

I will go until it loses interest. Right now, I have no plans to stop at 10.

 

[calsnowskier]

I really need to figure out a formula or algorithm or whatever to find the equalizer between eras... it is so annoying to me that generally people look at all these stats that show how amazing the elite were pre color barrier...

instead of saying, well nobody hit 400 after 1941... that is not a coincidence... and that is not saying players were better back then...

why can't we accurately adjust based on how the game changed...

I said this in an earlier thread that we don't appreciate the best players from 1962-1990. to much... and no, the elite players were not worse than the elite players of any other time period...

Who has mentioned BA in defense of anyone? I think the main stats reference have been the appropriate era-Independant stats (OPS+, WAR#, bolden numbers, all stars, MVPs, etc).

 

[calsnowskier]

I know it's time to heavily consider Arod now, .295 average and 696 career HR's, for a SS. But I just dislike him so much. I'll put my biases aside. I'm nominating Alex Rodrigues for the 7th best player of all time.

You understand how polls work, right?

 

[DHoey]

Look at Boggs numbers again. He ain't all that. Dude had 118 home runs and well past the 'dead ball' era. Highest MVP finish was 4th in the voting. Speaker, Wagner, Cobb, Ruth, Hornsby, all those old timers much better.

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Would have had a better argument had he said Ripken instead

 

[Cedrique]

I was not saying Boggs was better than Cobb,... Cobb would have still had the longevity... but Boggs would have easily been a top 5 player of the pre-ruthian period... I will admit that that is a pointless experiment,.... not really sure what the point I was trying to make with that one was...

That's absurd. If Boggs played in the early 1900's he would have had a different wife, maybe one that had no idea how to cook fried chicken.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

That's absurd. If Boggs played in the early 1900's he would have had a different wife, maybe one that had no idea how to cook fried chicken.

but damn, that moustache would have been something back then... another thing, how was he never caught with pine tar??

 

[DrewScott]

That's absurd. If Boggs played in the early 1900's he would have had a different wife, maybe one that had no idea how to cook fried chicken.

I don't think it had to be fried chicken, just any kind of chicken. That's my ridiculous contribution.