tOfficial "Jameis Winston" Superthread

[BubbaGump]

You can look it up yourself. From what I understand, she says he did it, they arrested and convicted him. There was no evidence because nothing actually happened. They took away 5 years of that's man life simply because they could. It happens more times than most would like to know. This is what occurs when you don't have the money to defend yourself with a real lawyer.

In the Winston case, she reported the "r*pe" hours after it happened. So if there is no evidence, then YES, I'm saying no r*pe occurred. If you can't prove it happened, then it never happened. That's the basics of our system. ANYONE can sling accusations. If you have no proof, you have no case.

So until I see evidence, I don't know if he did it or not. I'm going with NOT until proven otherwise.

I agree with this. Sounds more like she is mad because he hit it and quit it.

 

[4down20]

That's what trials are for. A chance to prove guilt. If they can't then he is innocent.

There was no trial.

I hope someday you are charged with something you didn't do so you can see how the justice system actually works.

As it is, you are ignorant.

 

[ellupo]

You can look it up yourself. From what I understand, she says he did it, they arrested and convicted him. There was no evidence because nothing actually happened. They took away 5 years of that's man life simply because they could. It happens more times than most would like to know. This is what occurs when you don't have the money to defend yourself with a real lawyer.

In the Winston case, she reported the "r*pe" hours after it happened. So if there is no evidence, then YES, I'm saying no r*pe occurred. If you can't prove it happened, then it never happened. That's the basics of our system. ANYONE can sling accusations. If you have no proof, you have no case.

So until I see evidence, I don't know if he did it or not. I'm going with NOT until proven otherwise.

There was evidence. It was never taken before a grand jury or a judge.

 

[ellupo]

I hope someday you are charged with something you didn't do so you can see how the justice system actually works.

As it is, you are ignorant.

What an ignorant thing to say. No respect for you with that comment.

 

[starbigd]

There was evidence. It was never taken before a grand jury or a judge.

Again....until I hear or see it, I can't pre-judge Winston, as some here in this thread have done.

I have NO IDEA what happened. But I've seen what happens when a woman makes a false accusation. I've even seen a man's life ruined even though he was found innocent as the stigma of the accusation stayed with him his whole working life.

When it comes to this sort of thing, I want PROOF.

 

[fredmccallyRTR]

Okay so if they do decide to sue and subpoena Winston or anyone else then the accuser herself also has to take the stand. In which she can be questioned as well. IN a civil suit NOBODY is safe from being questioned, made to look bad, or whatever. If her parents and attorney feel this is the course of action that the accuser must go then so be it. But until she gets on the stand and says yes I was pursuing all of this and want my day in court nobody knows who is "pulling the strings" or their motivation.

Thus why CourtTV would still exist if they would have covered civil cases, it's like pro wrestling without the predetermined outcome.

 

[Smotis]

I think she's lying. Probably her first time with a black guy and thought it would be great. Regretted it later on and when she finally found out who he was thought she could make a quick buck by claiming r*pe. If its found that she is lying she should serve the time equal to what a rapist would get. Too many young dumb bimbos filing false r*pe claims that put a negative light on legitimate r*pe cases.

 

[RoboticDreams]

I think she's lying. Probably her first time with a black guy and thought it would be great. Regretted it later on and when she finally found out who he was thought she could make a quick buck by claiming r*pe. If its found that she is lying she should serve the time equal to what a rapist would get. Too many young dumb bimbos filing false r*pe claims that put a negative light on legitimate r*pe cases.

That's the stupidest thing I've read in awhile. You have experience with r*pe or something? Where did you gain this insight and understanding of this girl?

 

[Smotis]

That's the stupidest thing I've read in awhile. You have experience with r*pe or something? Where did you gain this insight and understanding of this girl?

I never said I knew she was lying. I think she is lying. Calling someones opinion stupid because you don't agree with it is stupid. I've seen plenty of women lie about being raped and they almost always go unpunished.

 

[4down20]

That's what trials are for. A chance to prove guilt. If they can't then he is innocent.

There was no trial.

If there was no trial, then it's because the DA didn't believe there was enough evidence to even charge him.

These are serious things. If he is guilty I hope he is found guilty, but demanding a trial because you believe he is guilty even without you knowing the real details of the case is absurd.

 

[RoboticDreams]

I never said I knew she was lying. I think she is lying. Calling someones opinion stupid because you don't agree with it is stupid. I've seen plenty of women lie about being raped and they almost always go unpunished.

But what is it, specifically about her, that makes you think she is lying?

 

[Edisto_Tiger]

I'm amazed that so few people understand the judicial system.

I think we should indict our educational system. There's enough evidence in this thread to bring charges.

 

[nolehusker]

So unless an actual judge witnesses a crime , there should never be convictions ?????


They have trials for a reason.

That's not what he said. He said

That's the thing... No one needs to be proven innocent in this country...

That means, people need to prove you are guilty. You don't prove you are innocent, you prove you are not guilty. By having to prove you are innocent, the assumption is that you are guilty. By people having to prove you are guilty, the assumption is you are innocent.

 

[nolehusker]

There was evidence. It was never taken before a grand jury or a judge.

There wasn't much evidence that he raped her. There was only evidence that they had sex.

 

[nolehusker]

But what is it, specifically about her, that makes you think she is lying?

For me, the fact that she said she was really drunk and messed up but her tox screen came back that she wasn't and that she was probably around a .10 when this supposedly happened.

Here is what I think happened based on what I know. She has a boyfriend. She cheated on her boyfriend with an fairly unknown FSU football player at the time. She realized she would probably get caught or did get caught and instead of fessing up to being raped, she decided to report it as a r*pe to save her relationship with her boyfriend.

Is that what happened? We don't know, but that's how I interpret things. Also, we don't know if the TPD actually handled this as bad as we think they did. People are taking the accuser's attorney's words as facts, when we don't know. Yes, they did mess up some, but we don't know if they actually tried to talk her out of pressing charges. We don't know if the accuser actually kept contact with the TPD and TPD just ignored them.

 

[The Authority]

You can look it up yourself. From what I understand, she says he did it, they arrested and convicted him. There was no evidence because nothing actually happened. They took away 5 years of that's man life simply because they could. It happens more times than most would like to know. This is what occurs when you don't have the money to defend yourself with a real lawyer.

In the Winston case, she reported the "r*pe" hours after it happened. So if there is no evidence, then YES, I'm saying no r*pe occurred. If you can't prove it happened, then it never happened. That's the basics of our system. ANYONE can sling accusations. If you have no proof, you have no case.

So until I see evidence, I don't know if he did it or not. I'm going with NOT until proven otherwise.

You are completely missing the point. There was never a chance of a trail to prove anything.

Furthermore there was DNA. So there is evidence there was sex.

Do you know how many crimes occur where there is no evidence prior to a trial? a lot.

 

[The Authority]

I agree with this. Sounds more like she is mad because he hit it and quit it.

Sure, r*pe never happens.

 

[FSUmanager]

You are completely missing the point. There was never a chance of a trail to prove anything.

Furthermore there was DNA. So there is evidence there was sex.

Do you know how many crimes occur where there is no evidence prior to a trial? a lot.

OK think about what you think should have happened. FSU player goes in front of a grand jury in TALLAHASSEE with regular citizens. What do you think would happen? 99% sure the exact same thing as the SAO came up with. No charges. THe key difference being that Meggs has absolutely no problem charging and hammering FSU players. The same cannot be said for a grand jury of citizens.



Actually the bold is incorrect. There is evidence, but it is called circumstantial evidence and not a "smoking gun" or a confession from the accused.


Same thing is going to happen with a civil suit. It will take place in TALLAHASSEE after the one person named just won NC. What do you think is going to happen? Most likely damages from the TPD if they believe they violated the accuser's civil rights and no damages from Winston because he won the NC and Heisman.

 

[The Authority]

Again....until I hear or see it, I can't pre-judge Winston, as some here in this thread have done.

I have NO IDEA what happened. But I've seen what happens when a woman makes a false accusation. I've even seen a man's life ruined even though he was found innocent as the stigma of the accusation stayed with him his whole working life.

When it comes to this sort of thing, I want PROOF.

Once again, That is what trials are for. They squashed the trial.

 

[The Authority]

I hope someday you are charged with something you didn't do so you can see how the justice system actually works.

As it is, you are ignorant.

That comment shows what kind of moron you actually are.