tOfficial Eastern Conference Playoffs Thread

[WiggyRuss]

I can see that.

Weird how the Heat didn't seem to miss him (in the regular season). Is that just coincidental timing with the emergence of Whiteside & Richardson & Joe Johnson?

you are so diplomatic Gordon, lol...

"I can see that"....

"Is it just coincidence timing with the emergence of Whiteside and JJ etc..."

lol....


Wiggy translation/version...

" yah --- RIIIIIIIIIGHT-----...might be time to get off the Bosh is the best thing...hasnt played a full season in 3 years, Wade has just DOMINATED- and the Heat seemed to play better once Bosh went down.

 

[bksballer89]

you are so diplomatic Gordon, lol...

"I can see that"....

"Is it just coincidence timing with the emergence of Whiteside and JJ etc..."

lol....


Wiggy translation/version...

" yah --- RIIIIIIIIIGHT-----...might be time to get off the Bosh is the best thing...hasnt played a full season in 3 years, Wade has just DOMINATED- and the Heat seemed to play better once Bosh went down.

You do realize we watch more Heat than you do. When it comes to most consistent and best all around player on the team, Bosh is that. Please don't try to argue with fans who watch the team every night

 

[bksballer89]

And for the record

I can see that.

Weird how the Heat didn't seem to miss him (in the regular season). Is that just coincidental timing with the emergence of Whiteside & Richardson & Joe Johnson?

The only person who really emerged because of Bosh absence was Dragic because the Heat went to a faster pace because they knew they could no longer play slow basketball. Fast pace is obviously what Dragic likes.

Richardson emergence came as a result of Tyler Johnson injuring his Shoulder and Beno getting released. Johnson was not on the team when Bosh was playing. Whiteside emergence came as a result of not making the All Star Game IMO

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

you are so diplomatic Gordon, lol...

"I can see that"....

"Is it just coincidence timing with the emergence of Whiteside and JJ etc..."

lol....


Wiggy translation/version...

" yah --- RIIIIIIIIIGHT-----...might be time to get off the Bosh is the best thing...hasnt played a full season in 3 years, Wade has just DOMINATED- and the Heat seemed to play better once Bosh went down.

And the Cavs looked better when Love/Kyrie were out.

Give it up.
Quit fucking worrying about/ analyzing the Heat.
We aren't the team that's going to keep you banner less.

 

[WiggyRuss]

And the Cavs looked better when Love/Kyrie were out.

Give it up.
Quit fucking worrying about/ analyzing the Heat.
We aren't the team that's going to keep you banner less.

the Cavs looked better with Love and Kyrie out? LOL

how the fuck do you get that? hahahahahha

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

You do realize we watch more Heat than you do. When it comes to most consistent and best all around player on the team, Bosh is that. Please don't try to argue with fans who watch the team every night

He's ripped Wade for 2 years.
He has had a great playoff run, but without his other main weapons all the Cavs would have to do is put James on him and he'd struggle to do much.

Cavs would have nightmare matchup issues if they had to defend Bosh/Whiteside but....it's not happening

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

the Cavs looked better with Love and Kyrie out? LOL

how the fuck do you get that? hahahahahha

I watched the Finals last year.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I watched the Finals last year.

obviously you have NO CLUE what yo uare talking about then.....

I cant believe I am reduced to ROOTING FOR the Heat.


CMOOOOOOOOOON Dwade...you got 2 more in ya...!!!!!

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

obviously you have NO CLUE what yo uare talking about then.....

I cant believe I am reduced to ROOTING FOR the Heat.


CMOOOOOOOOOON Dwade...you got 2 more in ya...!!!!!

To be clear, I'm not saying they are better without them.
I'm saying for that series it worked out fine because the D improved.

As far as the Heat, we need a good Bosh, a good Wade and a good Whiteside and everyone else to be a good team.

Not sure why this is so hard for you.

 

[WiggyRuss]

To be clear, I'm not saying they are better without them.
I'm saying for that series it worked out fine because the D improved.

As far as the Heat, we need a good Bosh, a good Wade and a good Whiteside and everyone else to be a good team.

Not sure why this is so hard for you.

your just so wrong its not even funny.

you think that James Jones and Mike Miller- and a Delly playin HUGE minutes, and Shumpert playing big minutes with a bum shoulder- are better than Love and Irving- did you WATCH a GIMPY irving in game 1 play absolutely great?

either you are purposefully being a hater...or you are just ignorant and watched none of the Finals.


again- the complete and total morons who think that the Cavs defense is gonna collapse because Irving and Love are taking away meaningful minutes form Delly and Thompson- are just 100% totally clueless simpletons that have no idea what the hell they are watching.

do people REALLY think Delly is playing good defense after being so exhausted he passes out walking to his car- and yet HAS to play because there is no other PG there? LOL....

its just ridiculous..

Irving and Love are getting Thompson and Dellys minutes back to where they should be- sucking up some of the excess---- and in great part- taking the minutes of guys like James Jones, Mozgov and other ancillary guys.




who do you guys think is better? James Jones or Kevin Love?

is there anyone out there that thinks its a good idea playing Delly OVER 36 minutes a game- like he did once Kyrie finally went down for good?

ya didnt think so

TT is averaging 29 minutes a game thus far in the playoffs...last year in the ECF and Finals he averaged OVER 40 minutes a game.....anyone think thats a GOOD IDEA?!!! LOL....


yah- i didnt think so.

 

[WiggyRuss]

anyone with an OUNCE of common sense should know that hte Cavs will be INFINITELY better off this year

instead of in the Finals playing Delly- over 35 minutes a game after KI went down, instead of playing Thompson over 40 minutes a game, insead of playing JAMES JONES nearly 20 minutes a game, instead of having Mike Miller TOUCH the court- or his cohorts Kendrick Perkins and co--

instead---

Delly and Thompson will get REASONABLE minutes where they flourish- instead of get gassed--- same with Shumpert

isntead of playing James Jones and Miller and Perkins and Mozgov and whoever- now the Cavs can play Love and Irving- and Frye and Jefferson!


its just LAUGHABLE to me.

 

[Heatles84]

anyone with an OUNCE of common sense should know that hte Cavs will be INFINITELY better off this year

instead of in the Finals playing Delly- over 35 minutes a game after KI went down, instead of playing Thompson over 40 minutes a game, insead of playing JAMES JONES nearly 20 minutes a game, instead of having Mike Miller TOUCH the court- or his cohorts Kendrick Perkins and co--

instead---

Delly and Thompson will get REASONABLE minutes where they flourish- instead of get gassed--- same with Shumpert

isntead of playing James Jones and Miller and Perkins and Mozgov and whoever- now the Cavs can play Love and Irving- and Frye and Jefferson!


its just LAUGHABLE to me.

WHen's the last time Jefferson played in the playoffs. It seems like in the Hawks series that this was the rotation:

Irving
Smith
Lebron
Love
Thompson

Bench:
Delly
Frye
Shumpert

Am I missing someone outside of Jefferson barely playing?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

anyone with an OUNCE of common sense should know that hte Cavs will be INFINITELY better off this year

instead of in the Finals playing Delly- over 35 minutes a game after KI went down, instead of playing Thompson over 40 minutes a game, insead of playing JAMES JONES nearly 20 minutes a game, instead of having Mike Miller TOUCH the court- or his cohorts Kendrick Perkins and co--

instead---

Delly and Thompson will get REASONABLE minutes where they flourish- instead of get gassed--- same with Shumpert

isntead of playing James Jones and Miller and Perkins and Mozgov and whoever- now the Cavs can play Love and Irving- and Frye and Jefferson!


its just LAUGHABLE to me.

Does INFINITELY better mean you think they will win it all?
Yes or no?

 

[WiggyRuss]

WHen's the last time Jefferson played in the playoffs. It seems like in the Hawks series that this was the rotation:

Irving
Smith
Lebron
Love
Thompson

Bench:
Delly
Frye
Shumpert

Am I missing someone outside of Jefferson barely playing?

no.....that seems to be the rotation....seemed like Jeff played more against the Pistons- and Frye more against the Hawks --- dependent on the matchup....

Irving- 34 minutes
Smith- 32 minutes
LEBron- 38 minutes
Love- 34 minutes
Thompson- 30 minutes

bench
Frye- 15
Delly- 20
Shump- 20
JEff - 10


OR

LeBron 42
Delly 36
Thompson 40
Shumpert 36
Mozgov 28

Smith 30
James Jones 20
Mike Miller/Perkins/ 10???? heck- sometimes they only played 7! lol.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....lol. Maybe people will look at that AND FINALLY GET A CLUE and see the HUMONGOUS difference in minute distributions from last years Finals to what they SHOULD be like with a healthy Cavs roster.

 

[Heatles84]

no.....that seems to be the rotation....seemed like Jeff played more against the Pistons- and Frye more against the Hawks --- dependent on the matchup....

Irving- 34 minutes
Smith- 32 minutes
LEBron- 38 minutes
Love- 34 minutes
Thompson- 30 minutes

bench
Frye- 15
Delly- 20
Shump- 20
Frye - 10


OR

LeBron 42
Delly 36
Thompson 40
Shumpert 36
Mozgov 28

Smith 30
James Jones 20
Mike Miller/Perkins/ 10???? heck- sometimes they only played 7! lol.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....lol. Maybe people will look at that AND FINALLY GET A CLUE and see the HUMONGOUS difference in minute distributions from last years Finals to what they SHOULD be like with a healthy Cavs roster.

Trying to be polite here. No one's arguing that you need Love and Irving to win, as we saw depth took a huge toll on the Cavs in the latter portion of the Finals. The argument being made isn't that the Cavs would be worse with Love and Irving - that's asinine. It's that the Cavs were able to be a much better defensive team than with Love and Irving playing as much as they do for the short-term. This put the Dubs in some precarious and uncomfortable situations at times in the early part of the Finals and never allowed them to get into a constant rhythm like they were used to. Eventually, depth won out.

The interesting scenario that plays out here, is how Cleveland stays with the Warriors as they'll have to rely heavily on offense in this series - sort of like Portland. That's what's being argued as Love and Irving are not particularly great individual defenders. It's how will Cleveland (while sacrificing defense) stay with Golden St. in terms of matching them offensively given that Golden St. will likely be able to get into a rhythm?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Trying to be polite here. No one's arguing that you need Love and Irving to win, as we saw depth took a huge toll on the Cavs in the latter portion of the Finals. The argument being made isn't that the Cavs would be worse with Love and Irving - that's asinine. It's that the Cavs were able to be a much better defensive team than with Love and Irving playing as much as they do for the short-term. This put the Dubs in some precarious and uncomfortable situations at times in the early part of the Finals and never allowed them to get into a constant rhythm like they were used to. Eventually, depth won out.

The interesting scenario that plays out here, is how Cleveland stays with the Warriors as they'll have to rely heavily on offense in this series - sort of like Portland. That's what's being argued as Love and Irving are not particularly great individual defenders. It's how will Cleveland (while sacrificing defense) stay with Golden St. in terms of matching them offensively given that Golden St. will likely be able to get into a rhythm?

i think that is a false narrative about the defense though.

Do you think Delly is playing his best defense when- he- ideally a role player- is playing Steph Curry 35 plus minutes a night? You think LeBron is playingh is best defense when he has to carry the whole load offensively playing OVER 42 minutes a night? You think Thompson can play his best defense playing 40 minutes a night?----

by both REDUCING Delly and Thompsons minutes by giving SOME of their minutes to Love and Irving- and getting Delly and Thompson into minutes that correspond with their ideal roles--- causes them to be BETTER defenders.

With Irving scoring 25 a game- that makes the Cavs defense BETTER- because LeBron can actually FOCUS on the defensive end- like we have seen already this playoffs!!!


not too mention- getting the minutes of James Jones - and Miller and the rest- and even mozgov who is a LIABILITY against a team like the Warriors defensively but the Cavs had no choice but to play him---- and replacing them with Irving and Love should only HELP the defense.


its easy to say- Love and Irving are back- defense gets worse- but its a totally false narrative that anyone with some very rudimentary levels of common sense can reason out.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

i think that is a false narrative about the defense though.

Do you think Delly is playing his best defense when- he- ideally a role player- is playing Steph Curry 35 plus minutes a night? You think LeBron is playingh is best defense when he has to carry the whole load offensively playing OVER 42 minutes a night? You think Thompson can play his best defense playing 40 minutes a night?----

by both REDUCING Delly and Thompsons minutes by giving SOME of their minutes to Love and Irving- and getting Delly and Thompson into minutes that correspond with their ideal roles--- causes them to be BETTER defenders.

With Irving scoring 25 a game- that makes the Cavs defense BETTER- because LeBron can actually FOCUS on the defensive end- like we have seen already this playoffs!!!


not too mention- getting the minutes of James Jones - and Miller and the rest- and even mozgov who is a LIABILITY against a team like the Warriors defensively but the Cavs had no choice but to play him---- and replacing them with Irving and Love should only HELP the defense.


its easy to say- Love and Irving are back- defense gets worse- but its a totally false narrative that anyone with some very rudimentary levels of common sense can reason out.

then they should have no problem winning, right?

 

[Heatles84]

i think that is a false narrative about the defense though.

Do you think Delly is playing his best defense when- he- ideally a role player- is playing Steph Curry 35 plus minutes a night? You think LeBron is playingh is best defense when he has to carry the whole load offensively playing OVER 42 minutes a night? You think Thompson can play his best defense playing 40 minutes a night?----

by both REDUCING Delly and Thompsons minutes by giving SOME of their minutes to Love and Irving- and getting Delly and Thompson into minutes that correspond with their ideal roles--- causes them to be BETTER defenders.

With Irving scoring 25 a game- that makes the Cavs defense BETTER- because LeBron can actually FOCUS on the defensive end- like we have seen already this playoffs!!!


not too mention- getting the minutes of James Jones - and Miller and the rest- and even mozgov who is a LIABILITY against a team like the Warriors defensively but the Cavs had no choice but to play him---- and replacing them with Irving and Love should only HELP the defense.


its easy to say- Love and Irving are back- defense gets worse- but its a totally false narrative that anyone with some very rudimentary levels of common sense can reason out.

Do you think Delly is playing his best defense when- he- ideally a role player- is playing Steph Curry 35 plus minutes a night?

Remember, I said at the beginning of the series. Delly was still somewhat fresh at the time. Delly's a good backup PG as he can play feisty D and hit's the occasional open 3. Yes, playing Delly for 35 minutes is certainly not ideal. However, as I said, we're talking for a game or two, Delly playing all out put Curry in some uncomfortable situations.

You think LeBron is playingh is best defense when he has to carry the whole load offensively playing OVER 42 minutes a night?

No. But then again, I haven't seen Lebron be the defender that he was back in Miami. Lebron had to cover up a lot of flaws, it'll be interesting to see what defensive assignments he's given this go around.

by both REDUCING Delly and Thompsons minutes by giving SOME of their minutes to Love and Irving- and getting Delly and Thompson into minutes that correspond with their ideal roles--- causes them to be BETTER defenders.

Thompson's going to have to go out in the perimeter, possibly. I wouldn't trust Love guarding in the perimeter, especially off pick and rolls. He hasn't really had that threat and won't until the Finals. Thompson's decent in the post, but outside of Bogut and maybe Ezeli, what scorer is in the post? Thompson's still going to get a lion share of the minutes as he was playing last season. So far, the only front court rotation I've seen from the Cavs is Love, TT, and Frye. I've barely seen Mozgov. Then again, Cleveland's total playoff games have been fairly low and I see that continuing in the Finals. So who knows?

Overall, the Cavs have looked great in the playoffs. But the competition they've played hasn't been that good. Offensively, they look in sync. But I haven't seen a great defensive performance out of them on a consistent basis. But we'll see in about two weeks.

If OKC makes it.....then all bets are off as the Cavs will win that series easily.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

then they should have no problem winning, right?

But.... What if they don't?

Who gets the blame then?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

But.... What if they don't?

Who gets the blame then?

He'll never say yes.
He'll never bet.
He'll hope then either go into hiding or run his yap for months.