tOfficial 2015 NBA Draft/Free Agency Thread

[Black Adam]

I will tell you how they match up.

The Cavs are a lot better. They have the 3 best players on the court. The Cavs shoot better, rebound better, score better, have a deeper roster, have a younger roster, and probably defend better.

If they face in the playoffs I'll give the Heat 1 sympathy game where Dwade wills them to one win. 5 games max.

thank you for that look into your crystal ball...

however, i'd like to see the match-ups for myself and make my own determinations...by your leave, of course...

 

[Black Adam]

And, why haven't you accepted my Heat being better than Bucks bet yet?

How about 30 days totally off SportsHoopla?

as you said...

mouth the size of a cavern, balls the size of b.b's....

 

[gordontrue]

Using the Showtime Lakers as an example. Tristan Thompson is basically. A.C. Green. He brings defense, rebounding and energy. Not much else. He is very important to the Cavs, but he's not Lebron, Kyrie or Love.

The difference is, A.C. Green never forgot he was A.C. Green and not Magic, Worthy or Kareem. Therefore, he never asked to be paid like Magic, Worthy or Kareem. Tristan Thompson seems to want to be paid like he's Lebron, Kyrie or Love. Problem for him is, he's still Tristan Thompson. Problem for the Cavs is, they pretty much have to pay him anyway.

meh.... every NBA player is gonna try to get paid regardless of what they think of their talent.

AC Green actually rejected 2 offers from the Lakers in 93 when he was a restricted free agent.... and ended up leaving for the Suns.


I don't blame the Cavs or Thompson for holding out. Hopefully they can reach a mutually beneficial compromise.

 

[Black Adam]

You say this:



Then you say this:



The guys whom you claim to "not be worried about" are the guys who were the reason the Cavs had "their own injuries."

You keep telling us that Kyrie isn't injury prone, yet he hasn't played a full season since his junior year of high school. And before you tell us about how he played 70+ games last year, where was he when the Cavs needed him the most?

that's why him saying "he's not worried about it" is a complete and utter lie. let him keep playing it off if he wants to, though...

btw, how IS kyrie's knee these days? no one seems to ever comment on that. he didn't heal THAT fast, did he...?

 

[trojanfan12]

meh.... every NBA player is gonna try to get paid regardless of what they think of their talent.

AC Green actually rejected 2 offers from the Lakers in 93 when he was a restricted free agent.... and ended up leaving for the Suns.


I don't blame the Cavs or Thompson for holding out. Hopefully they can reach a mutually beneficial compromise.

At that time, the Showtime era had ended and the Lakers were looking to re-build. AC was about to turn 30, so the Lakers weren't going to overpay to keep him around.

In other words, it was a completely different scenario than Tristan. What Tristan is doing is the same as if AC was demanding more money while still playing alongside Magic, Kareem and Worthy.

 

[Black Adam]

He's not nuts because of his connection with James. 100% collusion. Gilbert signed up for it.

Mozgov is def on their minds though for next year. His 5 could jump to 12-15? x 3 for luxury.

BINGO...!!

it comes down to basically KNOWING he's got a huge shot of being PAID IN FULL. it's really that plain and simple...

 

[gordontrue]

btw, how IS kyrie's knee these days? no one seems to ever comment on that. he didn't heal THAT fast, did he...?

Kyrie talked it about it a couple weeks ago. Basically, recovery is going well. He had a cast on for 2 weeks, then spent some time in a brace, and is now cleared to work out and is rehabbing in Miami. Recovery is still in process. He doesn't want to put a date on it, but everything is progressing well, apparently.

 

[WiggyRuss]

meh.... every NBA player is gonna try to get paid regardless of what they think of their talent.

AC Green actually rejected 2 offers from the Lakers in 93 when he was a restricted free agent.... and ended up leaving for the Suns.


I don't blame the Cavs or Thompson for holding out. Hopefully they can reach a mutually beneficial compromise.

im thinking a little more Horace Grant than Ac Green.

 

[Black Adam]

Kyrie talked it about it a couple weeks ago. Basically, recovery is going well. He had a cast on for 2 weeks, then spent some time in a brace, and is now cleared to work out and is rehabbing in Miami. Recovery is still in process. He doesn't want to put a date on it, but everything is progressing well, apparently.

thank you. at least you had the balls to answer the question...unlike some posters around here...

 

[WiggyRuss]

thank you. at least you had the balls to answer the question...unlike some posters around here...

what? its not like he tore his acl or achilees like rose, rubio, rondo, kobe, parker, etc. etc. etc. that requires months of healing and rehab. He fractured his kneecap. He should be 100% before camp even begins. Non-issue going forward.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Kyrie talked it about it a couple weeks ago. Basically, recovery is going well. He had a cast on for 2 weeks, then spent some time in a brace, and is now cleared to work out and is rehabbing in Miami. Recovery is still in process. He doesn't want to put a date on it, but everything is progressing well, apparently.

I cant believe the season starts in 10 weeks. Seems like it just ended. lol. I guess thats how it goes when you are one of the last 2 teams playing. Right guys?

 

[Black Adam]

what? its not like he tore his acl or achilees like rose, rubio, rondo, kobe, parker, etc. etc. etc. that requires months of healing and rehab. He fractured his kneecap. He should be 100% before camp even begins. Non-issue going forward.

so fracturing one's kneecap is NOT a serious issue. uh kay...

moving on...

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Kyrie talked it about it a couple weeks ago. Basically, recovery is going well. He had a cast on for 2 weeks, then spent some time in a brace, and is now cleared to work out and is rehabbing in Miami. Recovery is still in process. He doesn't want to put a date on it, but everything is progressing well, apparently.

Kyrie was at a Marlins game a couple weeks ago.
There's just something about Miami/South Beach that draws them down here to visit/live.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I cant believe the season starts in 10 weeks. Seems like it just ended. lol. I guess thats how it goes when you are one of the last 2 teams playing. Right guys?

Can't argue that, but it also takes its toll on the players bodies.

It was new to the others, but not James.

It leads to complacency during alot of the regular season.
You will see.
Often the Heat played hard an estimated 1.5 qtrs a game after year 2.
Funny thing is, so much of the league/East was bad, it was usually good enough to win.

 

[WiggyRuss]

so fracturing one's kneecap is NOT a serious issue. uh kay...

moving on...

compared to an acl tear or achillees tear or a broken leg like Paul George? No. Its nothing compared to those things. MOST IMPORTANTLY- unlike an ACL tear or achilees tear- there are no long term effects of a fractured knee cap. THANK GOODNESS for that. You dont want to be like Dwade and have your meniscus removed early in your career and have re-occuring knee problems the rest of your days.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Can't argue that, but it also takes its toll on the players bodies.

It was new to the others, but not James.

It leads to complacency during alot of the regular season.
You will see.
Often the Heat played hard an estimated 1.5 qtrs a game after year 2.
Funny thing is, so much of the league/East was bad, it was usually good enough to win.

They wont get complacent till they win one.

Especially with their depth- and a bunch of young guys. Those Heat teams were ancient and were REALLY REALLY relying on JAmes- especially when Dwade would sit out so much and with Bosh refusing to rebound.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Patellar (Kneecap) Fractures
Because your kneecap (patella) acts like a shield for your knee joint, it can easily be broken. Falling directly onto your knee, for example, is a common cause of patellar fractures.

These fractures are serious injuries and often require surgery to heal. Over the long term, they may cause arthritis in the knee.

Recovery
How long it takes to recover from a patellar fracture will depend on the severity of your injury and whether it required surgery. You and your doctor together can decide when it is best to begin putting weight on your leg, and return to work and other activities.

Rehabilitation
Whether your treatment involves surgery or not, rehabilitation plays a vital role in getting you back to your daily activities. Keeping your leg immobilized in a cast can result in knee stiffness and weak thigh muscles. Specific exercises will help strengthen your leg muscles and restore range of motion in your knee.

Your doctor will tell you when you can begin to put weight on your leg. Initial weight-bearing exercise is usually limited to gently touching your toe to the floor. As your injury heals and your muscles strengthen, you will gradually be able to put more weight on your leg.

Long-Term Outcomes
Arthritis. Patellar fractures often damage the articular cartilage that covers and protects the underside of the bone. Over time, this can lead to arthritis. Severe arthritis occurs in about one out of every four to five patients. Mild to moderate arthritis (chondromalacia patella) is much more common.

Muscle weakness. Permanent weakness of the quadriceps muscle in the front of the thigh is another possible long-term problem. Some loss of motion in the knee, including both straightening (extension) and bending (flexion), is also common. This loss of motion is usually not disabling.

Chronic pain. Long-term pain in the front of the knee is common with patellar fractures.

Lifestyle Changes
Your doctor may suggest some lifestyle changes to protect your knee and prevent future problems. These may include avoiding exercise activities that involve repetitive deep knee bending or squatting. Climbing stairs or ladders should be avoided, as well.

Doesn't sound ideal for a professional athlete.


I'm not claiming to know anything about his injury, or if even this was his injury, but if it was, then it's no laughing matter.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

They wont get complacent till they win one.

Especially with their depth- and a bunch of young guys. Those Heat teams were ancient and were REALLY REALLY relying on JAmes- especially when Dwade would sit out so much and with Bosh refusing to rebound.

I disagree.
They all now understand that all that matters is being fresh/healthy for the playoffs.
Home court is great and meaningful if it goes 7, but James' teams have won road games in his last 20 series.

You can keep attempting to discredit what the Heat ROSTER accomplished (and without ancient Allen, James has 1 less ring), but their resume speaks for itself.

You guys need to win 2 titles and then lose in the Finals once, over the next 3 years if you want to keep pace.

Good Luck with that...

 

[WiggyRuss]

On July 25, Irving returned to the basketball court, publicly, for the Kyrie Irving Basketball ProCamp at Mentor High School and was able to participate with the over 500 campers in light drills. No crutches, no cast, no brace.



“It felt good. I only had the cast on for two weeks and then I was in a brace,” Irving said. “So then, when I finally got clearance from our doctors that I could start working out and stuff like that, and actually put pressure on my leg, I relished that. So, I’ve been in Miami working with a great rehab team at Pinecrest Physical Therapy and it’s been awesome.

The 23-year-old moved through the camp, participating in ball-handling drills, with a smile on his face and clearly enjoying the interactions he had with his campers. Irving said he would have made sure he was present, regardless of his health.


Back on the court after about 6 weeks? LOL....

like i said- thank goodness he doesnt have something that perpetually and crhonically effects his game like guys with much more serious injuries like Rondo, Rubio, Rose, Wade, Kobe, Randle, Embiid, Parker, Durant, George, Paul, RW, Wall etc.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Irving will never get any MVP consideration while LeBron is in his prime- but I really think a special season is coming from the kid.

Last year at this time the roster was completely new AND THEN a ton of changes were made- in addition to learning to play with all these guys.

I mean Kyrie has a very very unique skill set when you combine his ball handling and driving ability with his shooting ability. That "pick your poison" proposition really is death to defenders. Its why Kyrie is without a doubt- already at the age of 23- one of the great offensive players in the game. You dont score 55, and then 57 points against the Trailblazers and Spurs by accident.

I expect his efficiency to continue to rise. His playmaking and comfort running the offense to continue to improve, and most importantly- his defense should also continue to improve.

And- its great that LeBron has 2 All Stars that are YOUNGER than he is to help carry the load- instead of 2 aging stars that just kept pushing more and more of the load off onto him.

When you combine Love and Kyrie- with the Cavs approach to keeping James healthy and spry- their is no reason why he cannot age more like Tim Duncan than Kobe Bryant.

Kyrie firmly establishing himself as one of the true elites in the game should go a long way in that. I mean- the kid is just that damn good.