Time for players and coaches to start owning up

[gohusk]

After the Cards game Sherman was talking about the haters bringing them down when they knew everything was just a-ok. Well that turned out being a load of shit. You didn't get off the fucking bus and spotted a team 31 fucking points. You don't see a problem Richard?

Lynch is gone, Kam is probably gone because he was mediocre all year, doesn't deserve another dime based on his play, and they need to move on before the draft. Okung is a huge question mark, who knows what's going to happen with Graham. Wright/Sherman/ET/Wagner make enough money to be at the point where they should be able to move on without Kam. Richard needs to go because he doesn't have it. They need to invest in an offensive line. There's going to be cash and they need to make the tough decisions instead of this whole "everything will be ok" load of bs that we've heard all year.

 

[droider]

After the Cards game Sherman was talking about the haters bringing them down when they knew everything was just a-ok. Well that turned out being a load of shit. You didn't get off the fucking bus and spotted a team 31 fucking points. You don't see a problem Richard?

Lynch is gone, Kam is probably gone because he was mediocre all year, doesn't deserve another dime based on his play, and they need to move on before the draft. Okung is a huge question mark, who knows what's going to happen with Graham. Wright/Sherman/ET/Wagner make enough money to be at the point where they should be able to move on without Kam. Richard needs to go because he doesn't have it. They need to invest in an offensive line. There's going to be cash and they need to make the tough decisions instead of this whole "everything will be ok" load of bs that we've heard all year.

be careful, i started the exact same thread 2 hours ago about the same exact personnel moves and was told i was being 'ridiculous'

 

[gohusk]

be careful, i started the exact same thread 2 hours ago about the same exact personnel moves and was told i was being 'ridiculous'

It's the truth. Kam absolutely needs to go because he's not reliable. He had to come out and play lights out and he was mediocre at best. He had some big plays but for the most part was lousy. Fuck risking him pulling some more stunts and not showing up. Draft a replacement. He's unreliable.

 

[SonnyCID]

They lost to a great team today in a great game. But of course we need wholesale changes now...

 

[Itsmytime]

They lost to a great team today in a great game. But of course we need wholesale changes now...

Over reactive fans are great, aren't they?

 

[gohusk]

They lost to a great team today in a great game. But of course we need wholesale changes now...

These aren't wholesale changes. Lynch is gone, Kam should be gone because he showed nothing that justifies his current salary, Richard is obviously in over his head, and the line has depth problems. It's a matter of how they spend the cash that they're going to pick up with guys that are gone either way. We've had 4 years of Wilson running for his life. That has to stop. And the defense that Richard calls doesn't fit the talent.

 

[SonnyCID]

And Sherman is the least of the Seahawks problems. In fact, hes not a problem at all. At all. Behind Bennett he was easily the best player on D this year. That attitude that you complain about op, is a major part of the heart that you saw in the team in the 2nd half.

 

[gohusk]

Over reactive fans are great, aren't they?

Kam's the big thing and this isn't over reaction. He didn't show up to start this year and it was completely disruptive. Then he showed up and was painfully average. You don't think that's an issue? He's unreliable and can't be trusted. He doesn't deserve a raise. If the FO decides they don't want to talk then they should just trade him and move on instead of dealing with more nonsense to start next season.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Kam's the big thing and this isn't over reaction. He didn't show up to start this year and it was completely disruptive. Then he showed up and was painfully average. You don't think that's an issue? He's unreliable and can't be trusted. He doesn't deserve a raise. If the FO decides they don't want to talk then they should just trade him and move on instead of dealing with more nonsense to start next season.

Kam held out, then had a bad year. Next year it could all be different. Now if he comes with where's the money again that's one thing, but if he decides to show up and work hard, I see no reason he couldn't bounce back. Need to see how things play out.

 

[gohusk]

Kam held out, then had a bad year. Next year it could all be different. Now if he comes with where's the money again that's one thing, but if he decides to show up and work hard, I see no reason he couldn't bounce back. Need to see how things play out.

That's the whole thing with a holdout though. You aren't going to know if it's going to happen or not until camp starts. How do you handle that? If they aren't going to negotiate then they just have to move on because there's no trust at this point.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

That's the whole thing with a holdout though. You aren't going to know if it's going to happen or not until camp starts. How do you handle that? If they aren't going to negotiate then they just have to move on because there's no trust at this point.

I think the trust came with the Seahawks drawing a line in the sand and holding to it. Next year things will be different, I don't expect any stupid holdouts.

 

[Anointed One]

After the Cards game Sherman was talking about the haters bringing them down when they knew everything was just a-ok. Well that turned out being a load of shit. You didn't get off the fucking bus and spotted a team 31 fucking points. You don't see a problem Richard?

Lynch is gone, Kam is probably gone because he was mediocre all year, doesn't deserve another dime based on his play, and they need to move on before the draft. Okung is a huge question mark, who knows what's going to happen with Graham. Wright/Sherman/ET/Wagner make enough money to be at the point where they should be able to move on without Kam. Richard needs to go because he doesn't have it. They need to invest in an offensive line. There's going to be cash and they need to make the tough decisions instead of this whole "everything will be ok" load of bs that we've heard all year.

Ridiculous... Shame on Richard forcing RW into throwing (2) Int's early on in the game to put us into a tough situation... Shame on Richard for pulling the defense together and holding Carolina to 0 in the 2nd half...

We got beat, that's the only thing that we need to own up to... We can't win them all... I'm not worried going into next season - we're still going to be competitive...

 

[Cloud]

Kam is done. The sooner we deal with this the better because its a huge distraction for him to be holding out again

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Kam is done. The sooner we deal with this the better because its a huge distraction for him to be holding out again

You really think he'll hold out again? That would be foolish based on his performance this year,I don't even consider that happening. Think fans just want to punish him for what went down this year, but don't cut off your nose to spite your face. If Kam comes back and works hard he will be a real asset and the Seahawks have enough holes without manufacturing one.

 

[SonnyCID]

You really think he'll hold out again? That would be foolish based on his performance this year,I don't even consider that happening. Think fans just want to punish him for what went down this year, but don't cut off your nose to spite your face. If Kam comes back and works hard he will be a real asset and the Seahawks have enough holes without manufacturing one.

Harold, always the voice of reason.

 

[gohusk]

You really think he'll hold out again? That would be foolish based on his performance this year,I don't even consider that happening. Think fans just want to punish him for what went down this year, but don't cut off your nose to spite your face. If Kam comes back and works hard he will be a real asset and the Seahawks have enough holes without manufacturing one.

How is someone not showing up manufacturing a hole? If anybody's manufactured it it's him. And nobody thought he'd hold out last year. This is a huge issue and you can't just gloss over it by saying "nobody with common sense would do that". Nobody with common sense would hold out with 3 years left on their deal. He did it anyway.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

How is someone not showing up manufacturing a hole? If anybody's manufactured it it's him. And nobody thought he'd hold out last year. This is a huge issue and you can't just gloss over it by saying "nobody with common sense would do that". Nobody with common sense would hold out with 3 years left on their deal. He did it anyway.

Basically you want to punish him for what went down this year. He made a foolish decision to hold out, thinking he had leverage based off his play from the previous year and the unsettled secondary. He lost and your not going to see a repeat of it.

 

[gohusk]

Basically you want to punish him for what went down this year. He made a foolish decision to hold out, thinking he had leverage based off his play from the previous year and the unsettled secondary. He lost and your not going to see a repeat of it.

No, I don't want to punish him. But if he says "nothing has changed" then he should go. You can't plan around a guy that's getting paid that much as it is when you don't know if he's going to show up or not.

 

[Anointed One]

Basically you want to punish him for what went down this year. He made a foolish decision to hold out, thinking he had leverage based off his play from the previous year and the unsettled secondary. He lost and your not going to see a repeat of it.

Agree... He has no leverage to holdout this coming season... IMO, the only one that could or would holdout is, M.Bennett...

 

[HaroldSeattle]

No, I don't want to punish him. But if he says "nothing has changed" then he should go. You can't plan around a guy that's getting paid that much as it is when you don't know if he's going to show up or not.

Folks say lots of things, some times you got to realize they are just flapping their lips and let it pass.