Three games for Briere

[SuperFlyer13]

The Colin Campbell "How to suspend a player" Tool..

 

[awaz]

if he was unprovoked and the game wasn't following the trend that it was.. i might agree w/ 5.. but its a physical sport and that was a physical game.. nielson just skating right into him pre-faceoff probably played into CC's decisions.. the linesman should've stepped in before the puck was even dropped

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Briere is been a repeat offender, but it is not like he is some dirty player like Avery,

Avery wasn't even suspended earlier this year. When quite a few of us thought he should have been. Colin has his own rules for suspensions. I believe it helped Avery's cause being a Ranger.

There's a big difference between a gesture & using your stick as a weapon. For Wisniewski to get 2 games while Briere only getting 3 is a joke.

 

[flyersfan4706]

Avery wasn't even suspended earlier this year. When quite a few of us thought he should have been. Colin has his own rules for suspensions. I believe it helped Avery's cause being a Ranger.

There's a big difference between a gesture & using your stick as a weapon. For Wisniewski to get 2 games while Briere only getting 3 is a joke.

Yeah the comparison is laughable (Even funnier considering it was a duick sucking gesture ) but I think that Briere should be suspended a game or two less as opposed to Avery because of his never ending antics.

 

[Darkstone42]

I disagree. Wisniewski got two games for a gesture. Briere was a repeat offender. He should have been given at least 5 games. This was a typical Colin Campbell decision. If Briere hadn't been a repeat offender he probably would have only paid a fine.

Wisniewski should have only received a fine. It's not worth it to try to justify suspensions relative to each other because half of them don't make any sense. If Briere's attack wasn't particularly vicious, and the only reason he's suspended at all is because he went for the head. He used his stick as a weapon, sure, but it wasn't "attempting to remove a person's head from his body" type of weapon wielding. More like "give him a nice shiner" wielding. I'd say upwards of 10 - 20 if he got his hands together and took a full swing, but he didn't do that, and might have even just been trying to throw a punch, but not being the punch-throwing type, forgot to take his hand off the stick.

 

[GagneFire12]

if he was unprovoked and the game wasn't following the trend that it was.. i might agree w/ 5.. but its a physical sport and that was a physical game.. nielson just skating right into him pre-faceoff probably played into CC's decisions.. the linesman should've stepped in before the puck was even dropped

That was my original beef. I have no problem with the Briere suspension, but lost in the whole "Briere is a scumbag" argument are Nielsen's antics.

First, a visiting player is required to have their stick on the ice for the faceoff. Instead, Nielsen skates right into Briere - in front of the ref, mind you - and taunts him, for what seemed like a ridiculous amount of time. That should have got him kicked out of the faceoff dot. It was obvious to everyone, except said ref, that Nielsen was going to rough up Danny right when the puck was dropped. What do you know, the puck hits the ice, and Nielsen takes a shot at Danny's head.

Carcillo knew that Nielsen would be up to something sketchy, and that is why he steamplowed Frans immediately after Briere's crosscheck. He was already moving in that direction. It was the Carcillo hit, not the Briere crosscheck, that "hurt" Nielsen. They always catch the retaliation, and this was no different.

Briere may not have made extreme contact with Nielsen's head, but they FINALLY punished the intent. So in that regard, I applaud the league. However, this needs to be the case EVERY time.

What Danny did was beyond stupid, but let's not act like Nielsen, or Gillies, or any Islander for that matter, was an innocent party. They had been riding the border of outlandishness all third period.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Wisniewski should have only received a fine. It's not worth it to try to justify suspensions relative to each other because half of them don't make any sense. If Briere's attack wasn't particularly vicious, and the only reason he's suspended at all is because he went for the head. He used his stick as a weapon, sure, but it wasn't "attempting to remove a person's head from his body" type of weapon wielding. More like "give him a nice shiner" wielding. I'd say upwards of 10 - 20 if he got his hands together and took a full swing, but he didn't do that, and might have even just been trying to throw a punch, but not being the punch-throwing type, forgot to take his hand off the stick.

Wisniewski's suspension was ridiculous but that's how Colin Campbell rolls. I wonder how many games Nielson would have gotten if it had been the other way around. I think it would be more than 3 & Frans isn't a repeat offender.

 

[awaz]

gestures and physical action are completely different.. physical stuff is going to happen during games.. sometimes they go a little far..

gestures aren't going to happen because it makes the sport look bad and unprofessional.. attempting to create a bloody image of someone's face, on their face, just makes the sport violent, which is one of the reasons we like the sport

gestures = make the sport look bad
violence = part of the game, some players go over the top

 

[awaz]

Wisniewski's suspension was ridiculous but that's how Colin Campbell rolls. I wonder how many games Nielson would have gotten if it had been the other way around. I think it would be more than 3 & Frans isn't a repeat offender.

with all due respect.. i dont see how you can rationalize that statement.. if anything, the flyers get the wrong end of suspensions..everyone knows it.. i'm not complaining about it, its part of the flyers.. they are physical, and at times dirty, being more critical of flyers' players has some merit to it.. thow in the repeat offender status.. if you could provide an explanation as to why you would think that id be curious to read it

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

with all due respect.. i dont see how you can rationalize that statement.. if anything, the flyers get the wrong end of suspensions..everyone knows it.. i'm not complaining about it, its part of the flyers.. they are physical, and at times dirty, being more critical of flyers' players has some merit to it.. thow in the repeat offender status.. if you could provide an explanation as to why you would think that id be curious to read it

It's quite simple. I know many people don't believe there is a bias when it comes to Colin Campbell but I do. The man simply HATES the Islanders.

 

[awaz]

It's quite simple. I know many people don't believe there is a bias when it comes to Colin Campbell but I do. The man simply HATES the Islanders.

oh i believe there's a bias.. i just dont know if he'd be more likely to suspend an isle than a flyer.. flyers players are the easiest in the league to suspend.. 1. because everyone already assumes anything the flyers do is dirty.. 2. philly fans wont go ape-shit over a suspension because it means the flyers were being physical, and i'd like to think most of us realize when suspensions are warranted (like this one).. 3. its the team everyone loves to hate.. and 4. there are no superstars on the flyers

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

oh i believe there's a bias.. i just dont know if he'd be more likely to suspend an isle than a flyer.. flyers players are the easiest in the league to suspend.. 1. because everyone already assumes anything the flyers do is dirty.. 2. philly fans wont go ape-shit over a suspension because it means the flyers were being physical, and i'd like to think most of us realize when suspensions are warranted (like this one).. 3. its the team everyone loves to hate.. and 4. there are no superstars on the flyers

The only part of your comment I disagree with you on is your last one. Pronger is a Hall of Famer. He is a superstar. I think Pronger & Lidstrom are the best defensemen in the entire league. Richards may not be a superstar but I bet if you asked oposing GM's they'd give up a TON to have him on their team.

 

[awaz]

The only part of your comment I disagree with you on is your last one. Pronger is a Hall of Famer. He is a superstar. I think Pronger & Lidstrom are the best defensemen in the entire league. Richards may not be a superstar but I bet if you asked oposing GM's they'd give up a TON to have him on their team.

<--------- flyer-fan that hates pronger

and i guess i'll rephrase that.. they don't have a young superstar being marketed by the nhl.. no OV's, crosby's, stamkos', kane's, toews'.. etc.

i dont really think richards is in that group, because he's not real flashy and he doesn't put up ridiculous numbers.. and he hasn't won a cup

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

<--------- flyer-fan that hates pronger

and i guess i'll rephrase that.. they don't have a young superstar being marketed by the nhl.. no OV's, crosby's, stamkos', kane's, toews'.. etc.

i dont really think richards is in that group, because he's not real flashy and he doesn't put up ridiculous numbers.. and he hasn't won a cup

The Player I compare Richards too is Datsyuk. He may not be flashy but Richards is a complete player & a GREAT penalty killer.

 

[awaz]

The Player I compare Richards too is Datsyuk. He may not be flashy but Richards is a complete player & a GREAT penalty killer.

dont get me wrong, i like richards (most of the time), and i think he's a great player (again when he feels like it).. but i dont think he's a player that would call for preferential treatment from CC, a la OV or crosby..

pre-emptive strike on the booth hit.. 1. CC didnt make that decision because his son or nephew or something (Greg Campbell) plays/ed for the panthers.. 2. that was the type of hit that was legal last year.. blind side hit on a player with his head down.. vicious and probably uncalled for? absolutely.. but it was a legal hit

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Richards plays with an edge. He toes a fine line with some of his hits. I do think he's always looking for the opportunity & there's nothing wrong with that. Players should always keep their heads up. Datsyuk doesn't get enough credit for his physical play. He can take a hit & make a play with the best of them & isn't afraid to dish it out either. Just like I think Richards has more skill than many might think.