Thought on Clyde Edward-Helaire

[HaroldSeattle]

we'll find out, I bet Vaughn doesn't take the lead in that backfield this year.
agree to disagree

To quote Johnny in the "Devil Went Down To Georgia" I'll take that bet and your going to regret.
The coaching staff inherited Jones and they choose Vaughn in the draft, so you can bet Vaughn gets the lead in that backfield.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

But if any other RBS are there at 20 besides mc Caffery and barkey

Ok that made me chuckle.

 

[ehb5]

How do you all see this player for FF? Watching game film I was not impressed. He could run the ball and catch the ball lets say "good enough" wasn't outstanding in any way. His best calling card was his 55 catches. Some media analyst claim he the one running back coming out of college that can run routes. Watch several game films and all I saw was dump off, dump off, dump off dump off, dump off, dump off, dump off, dump off, dump off, dump off, dump off, dump off, dump off. dump off. Can't really remember a pass that traveled further then 10 yards thru the air in any of the games. I sure there must of been a few.
However even a dump off pass for say 5 yards adds up in PPR leagues and nobody passes like the Chiefs do. Also the D is worried about sacking Mahomes and defending the pass, worrying about the run is a secondary concern. So even a OK RB going get some yards.
So where do you rate him in rookie drafts? 1.01 or 1.05 somewhere in between?

In PPR I think he's 1.01. the landing spot and fit are insanely good. He's not the overall athlete that Taylor and some of the other backs are but he's easily the best receiver of the group and pretty elusive. Plus he was the first back off the board which is a pretty positive sign.

 

[The Foot]

Did some research.
Looked up Andy Reid's time in KC.
Here's how the passing distribution to the RB went down:

2013 - 153 passes to RB. Jamaal Charles led w/ 104 targets, 693 yards. That's a 70% share.
2014 - 105 passes to RB. Jamaal Charles led w/ 59 targets, 291 yards. 56% share.
2015 - 77 passes to RB. Charcandrick West led w/ 34 targets, 214 yards. 44% share.
2016 - 90 passes to RB. Spencer Ware led w/ 42 targets, 447 yards. 46% share.
2017 - 112 passes to RB. Kareem Hunt led w/ 63 targets, 455 yards. 56% share.
2018 - 97 passes to RB. Kareem Hunt led w/ 35 targets, 378 yards. 36% share.
2019 - 110 passes to RB. Damien Williams led w/ 37 targets, 213 yards. 33% share.
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Averages - 106.2 passes to RB. Leaders garnered 53.4 targets, 384.4 yards.


Based on this, if they do not give this CEH kid some rushing touches, unless it's PPR, those 8.8 targets per game may not add up to much each game.

Great work as always Joe. 8.8 targets per game seems pretty go and of they give him 10 to 12 hand offs that will be 20 possible touches and I think he will get more carries so if he gets 15 to 20 carries and 8 or 9 targets that seems pretty good, no?

 

[ehb5]

And draft status ONLY plays a role in affording players opportunities, if they don't produce, doesn't matter where they got drafted, eventually they're out the door. Yes a #1 gets more leeway, more chances, doesn't mean he's handed anything other than an opportunity.

Sure but it also suggests you're a better player than the people taken after you.

 

[TREFF]

Sure but it also suggests you're a better player than the people taken after you.

"Suggests", being the relevant term. Rashad Penny was not a better player than Carson, Royce Freeman was not a better player than Lindsay, Jamaal Williams was not a better player than Aaron Jones, Josh Rosen was not a better player than Lamar Jackson...and on and on

 

[ehb5]

"Suggests", being the relevant term. Rashad Penny was not a better player than Carson, Royce Freeman was not a better player than Lindsay, Jamaal Williams was not a better player than Aaron Jones, Josh Rosen was not a better player than Lamar Jackson...and on and on

Eh. There's exceptions to everything. Overall it holds true that the earlier draft picks have better odds at long/good/HOF/*insert positive here* careers.

 

[TREFF]

Eh. There's exceptions to everything. Overall it holds true that the earlier draft picks have better odds at long/good/HOF/*insert positive here* careers.

And I wouldn't argue that that suggestion doesn't exist, it very much does..the player still has to prove it, and that draft position only guarantees them the opportunity to do so, it doesn't guarantee a role handed to them to prove they cannot do it-although in some cases, idiot coaches do operate that way, which ive always felt was vanity and pride trying to prove they didn't make a mistake

 

[SteelersPride]

And draft status ONLY plays a role in affording players opportunities, if they don't produce, doesn't matter where they got drafted, eventually they're out the door. Yes a #1 gets more leeway, more chances, doesn't mean he's handed anything other than an opportunity.

well yes, but that oppertunity is far better than anyone elses'

 

[HaroldSeattle]

well yes, but that oppertunity is far better than anyone elses'

IDK does Akers for example get less of a chance then CEH to be the lead back for his team because CEH got draft first? I don't think so, think he goes directly to go as they say in monopoly. Lead back from the get go, think CEH going to being sharing the RB role to begin with.

 

[Clayton]

I don't suspect I'll be drafting CEH in any of my leagues. I do think he is a better talent than Damien Williams but the Chiefs don't need to rush CEH. They'd be perfectly okay splitting up the targets. If I'm being perfectly honest, Damien Williams is probably better at running wheel routes, too, and thats a bread and butter Chiefs RB thing. CEH's route running is mostly 'go outside' or 'fake going outside and cut in the middle' so I suspect that Williams is still going to be a big part of the pass offense in 2020.

Where CEH is probably going to beat Williams consistently is red zone touches, imo.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I don't suspect I'll be drafting CEH in any of my leagues. I do think he is a better talent than Damien Williams but the Chiefs don't need to rush CEH. They'd be perfectly okay splitting up the targets. If I'm being perfectly honest, Damien Williams is probably better at running wheel routes, too, and thats a bread and butter Chiefs RB thing. CEH's route running is mostly 'go outside' or 'fake going outside and cut in the middle' so I suspect that Williams is still going to be a big part of the pass offense in 2020.

Where CEH is probably going to beat Williams consistently is red zone touches, imo.

Yes Damein isn't going to just disappear, he'll be included in the offense.

 

[SteelersPride]

IDK does Akers for example get less of a chance then CEH to be the lead back for his team because CEH got draft first? I don't think so, think he goes directly to go as they say in monopoly. Lead back from the get go, think CEH going to being sharing the RB role to begin with.

rams drafted a third round rb last year, he didnt go straight to go, heck Brown got the nod over him........

 

[HaroldSeattle]

rams drafted a third round rb last year, he didnt go straight to go, heck Brown got the nod over him........

Different situation, different player. You saying you don't think Akers going to be the lead back for the Rams?

 

[SteelersPride]

Different situation, different player. You saying you don't think Akers going to be the lead back for the Rams?

im saying i dontknow. They traded UP to get henderson last year, and praised and praised him. Now another RB.

 

[The Foot]

Yes Damein isn't going to just disappear, he'll be included in the offense.

The thing to remember about Damien is he was a Dolphin for 4 years as a back up and average something like 3.5 yards a Carrie's. Then signed as a back up in kc. When hunt was released Williams was turned into a star and rushed for 5.1 yards a carry.

I believe Reid did that unless willaims discovered some new power drink. And the thing with Clyde, this time reid is starting out with a star. Again I could be off as I liked Cordarall Patterson and Tavon Austin better than Hopkins when they came out.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Different situation, different player. You saying you don't think Akers going to be the lead back for the Rams?

I do
Akers: 40%
Henderson: 30%
Brown: 30%

Akers will definitely lead the committee

 

[HaroldSeattle]

im saying i dontknow. They traded UP to get henderson last year, and praised and praised him. Now another RB.

Couldn't you say that for all rookies even CEH? I think your trying to side step agreeing that yes Akers has at least a good of a chance to start as CEH. Better actually. The incumbent starting RB is gone, Brown is just a blue collar type and Henderson was just out of his depth moving up from a small time college ball up to the bigs

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I do
Akers: 40%
Henderson: 30%
Brown: 30%

Akers will definitely lead the committee

Highly unlikely both Brown and Henderson get 30% each. Going to way less for one of them .

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Highly unlikely both Brown and Henderson get 30% each. Going to way less for one of them .

fixed it

Akers: 45%
Brown or Henderson: 35%
Brown or Henderson: 20%