Thought on Clyde Edward-Helaire

[SteelersPride]

CEH is just a better version of Damien Williams. Not the route runner per say but better at running the ball. He'll do fine because of the system and potent offense. Dobbins will also be in a potent offense that pounds the ball like no other. You take CEH and I'll take Dobbins and we'll see how it works out.

let me ask you this.....ppr right? which system would u rather be in?

 

[SmokingMonkey]

I think it will be split between him and Dam Williams more than the CEH truthers believe.

I'd take him in the top 3, and I think since they all have shared backfields, anyone with the top pick should just go with the guy they like, and not worry about it.

Personally, I'd take Taylor and Dobbins over him, but couldn't let him slip past 3

if anything, someone in your league will have a hard-on for him at some point this summer, and you can trade him for a ransom if you identify that owner in your league.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Damn had to laugh at that myself.

RoJo and Vaughn - there's another where the rookie lovers are going to be left scratching their head.

Vaughn isn't some prolific passing down RB/pass protection specialist. Everything I've read said that Arians has a very complex playbook and it is rare for RBs to have good seasons in year 1 within his system. Just so much to take on when most other play callers, even the crafty ones like Payton and McDaniels, aren't that complicated for RBs.

And Vaughn is one of those guys similarly to how you describe CEH in the opening post - good at most everything, but not great at any. I highly doubt he comes into some major workload at all in year 1, and will be lucky to steal whatever snaps he can from RoJo this year.

Jones isn't special by any means, but neither is Vaughn.

 

[Clayton]

CEH cuts better than Damian Williams. Running footage side by side, though, and it's pretty similar.

No idea how someone can watch his college film and be unimpressed, though.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I think it will be split between him and Dam Williams more than the CEH truthers believe.

I'd take him in the top 3, and I think since they all have shared backfields, anyone with the top pick should just go with the guy they like, and not worry about it.

Personally, I'd take Taylor and Dobbins over him, but couldn't let him slip past 3

if anything, someone in your league will have a hard-on for him at some point this summer, and you can trade him for a ransom if you identify that owner in your league.

Got a rookie draft Monday and I have the 1.01 and 1.05. Standard league scoring so a bit different then most leagues. I've moved around the RBs I like best in the off season. I now like Dobbins best and was thinking Dobbins at the 1.01 then Akers at the 1.05. However got some info from the guy drafting at 1.03. He wanted to move up to the 1.01 but only wanted to give up dog shit to do so. I told no can do, but not to worry Akers will be there for you at the 1.03. He told me he didn't think so, that the 1.02 owner would take him. These two work together and play in a ton of leagues together so likely he's right. The owner of the 1.03 likes Akers, Taylor then CEH in that order he says.
So now I'm thinking how will the draft fall. Think if I take Dobbins, Akers then Taylor goes leaving the 1.04 to decide CEH or Swift. I really don't want to end up with CEH in a standard league. So I was thinking if I take Taylor, then Akers goes, then CEH leaving the 1.04 to decide Swift of Dobbins. Think it's worth the risk to miss out on Dobbins to go Taylor first? Worse that can happen is I get Swift at the 1.05. Thinking that is what I'm going to do. Good idea, or too risky?

 

[The Foot]

Got to say I'm a little surprised, because like you said he's not fast. Just curious if he is lacking in speed, what is it that draws him to you? He's no Derrick Henry with power. I'm guessing you see him as another CMC? Hell on wheels while catching passes?

I liked this guy the best before he went to KC. I wanted miami to draft him. I was a little surprised he was the first RB taken in the draft by a guy who knows offence. It made me feel I was right in my thinking. What I live about him is not his speed but it's not horrible by any means. But the things I love are his ability to make people miss combined with the strength to break tackles, especially the way he throw DBs around. Now that he is on KC I absolutely think he will thrive. Because defenses are all ready stretched to far with the threat of hill and mahomes arm. He will have crazy lanes to run though the first level and if he jukes the lb he could take it far at anytime. If you look at some of the runs shady had last year you can just imagine what Clyde will do with the same space. Plus he had the highest yards after contact so he is hard to tackle. Also even though he dont have chris johnson speed he has great burst and can find the hole quickly. When he spots the hole he shoots through it he just doesn't have that take it to the house speed but can still do it cause if his other tools. DBs wont bring his down. And he us a goal line seeking missile. When he sniffs the endzone he finds way no matter what it takes. I truly think he gonna be great. In my idp dynasty draft I pick 5 and I keep wanting to take him with cause in so affraid he wont make it back to my second pick 20th overall but I'm gonna have to take the chance cause too much talent at 5. But I'll be bumbed if I dont get him and I'll have to trade for him.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Got a rookie draft Monday and I have the 1.01 and 1.05. Standard league scoring so a bit different then most leagues. I've moved around the RBs I like best in the off season. I now like Dobbins best and was thinking Dobbins at the 1.01 then Akers at the 1.05. However got some info from the guy drafting at 1.03. He wanted to move up to the 1.01 but only wanted to give up dog shit to do so. I told no can do, but not to worry Akers will be there for you at the 1.03. He told me he didn't think so, that the 1.02 owner would take him. These two work together and play in a ton of leagues together so likely he's right. The owner of the 1.03 likes Akers, Taylor then CEH in that order he says.
So now I'm thinking how will the draft fall. Think if I take Dobbins, Akers then Taylor goes leaving the 1.04 to decide CEH or Swift. I really don't want to end up with CEH in a standard league. So I was thinking if I take Taylor, then Akers goes, then CEH leaving the 1.04 to decide Swift of Dobbins. Think it's worth the risk to miss out on Dobbins to go Taylor first? Worse that can happen is I get Swift at the 1.05. Thinking that is what I'm going to do. Good idea, or too risky?

1 month after the draft, with no practices or anything to see how these guys are transitioning to the NFL, I think I'd go Taylor 1.1 and hope Dobbins comes back to ya if you are that confident in Akers at 1.2 and CEH at 1.3 for a standard league

There's at least a chance Dobbins falls in that scenario for you to get both guys you like. I promise Taylor won't be there at 1.5.

 

[SteelersPride]

CEH cuts better than Damian Williams. Running footage side by side, though, and it's pretty similar.

No idea how someone can watch his college film and be unimpressed, though.

alot of ppl were, you're likely watching highlight tape.......he was a media darling on the national champs, media bias.

 

[The Foot]

I like Taylor a lot as well. He is fast.

 

[SteelersPride]

Got a rookie draft Monday and I have the 1.01 and 1.05. Standard league scoring so a bit different then most leagues. I've moved around the RBs I like best in the off season. I now like Dobbins best and was thinking Dobbins at the 1.01 then Akers at the 1.05. However got some info from the guy drafting at 1.03. He wanted to move up to the 1.01 but only wanted to give up dog shit to do so. I told no can do, but not to worry Akers will be there for you at the 1.03. He told me he didn't think so, that the 1.02 owner would take him. These two work together and play in a ton of leagues together so likely he's right. The owner of the 1.03 likes Akers, Taylor then CEH in that order he says.
So now I'm thinking how will the draft fall. Think if I take Dobbins, Akers then Taylor goes leaving the 1.04 to decide CEH or Swift. I really don't want to end up with CEH in a standard league. So I was thinking if I take Taylor, then Akers goes, then CEH leaving the 1.04 to decide Swift of Dobbins. Think it's worth the risk to miss out on Dobbins to go Taylor first? Worse that can happen is I get Swift at the 1.05. Thinking that is what I'm going to do. Good idea, or too risky?

Theres a really good chance dobbins is there at 1.5. IMHO.....if you you like akers he wont be so take him early or trade. But you could take taylor, then CEH, dobbins whoever is ther eat 1.5

 

[SteelersPride]

I like Taylor a lot as well. He is fast.

you wanna talk about guys that have been hit alot.......

 

[The Foot]

you wanna talk about guys that have been hit alot.......

I def would take CEH over taylor I'd take CEH over every RB in the nfl except mc Caffery and very very possibly Barkely in a dynasty league. But that's just me I'm sure no one else would. I really want him at 20 and I think he will make it or at least a good chance too.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I def would take CEH over taylor I'd take CEH over every RB in the nfl except mc Caffery and very very possibly Barkely in a dynasty league. But that's just me I'm sure no one else would. I really want him at 20 and I think he will make it or at least a good chance too.

I don't know how your drafts work out , but the ones I'm in the second best RB in the league isn't available at the 1.05 never mind pick 20.

 

[TREFF]

again. Draft status plays a role. As does Reid never in his life drafting a rb that high....that needs to weigh heavily in everything. Oh and that offense is the beat in the league.

I aint saying he ain't gonna score points, in fact ive said the opposite, becuase of the offense, becuase if the coach, he will score points..but he's still a chump, and eventually that will play out and hell be out the door. I'd bet Dobbins gets a second contract before CEH does. I'm talking long term dynasty value, not year one production when I say I'd much rather have Dobbins

 

[TREFF]

RoJo and Vaughn - there's another where the rookie lovers are going to be left scratching their head.

Vaughn isn't some prolific passing down RB/pass protection specialist. Everything I've read said that Arians has a very complex playbook and it is rare for RBs to have good seasons in year 1 within his system. Just so much to take on when most other play callers, even the crafty ones like Payton and McDaniels, aren't that complicated for RBs.

And Vaughn is one of those guys similarly to how you describe CEH in the opening post - good at most everything, but not great at any. I highly doubt he comes into some major workload at all in year 1, and will be lucky to steal whatever snaps he can from RoJo this year.

Jones isn't special by any means, but neither is Vaughn.

The good thing there is, he doesn't have to be prolific at anything, and he can still smoke Ronnie in everything except a 40 yd dash..who knows, he might win that too

 

[TREFF]

again. Draft status plays a role. As does Reid never in his life drafting a rb that high....that needs to weigh heavily in everything. Oh and that offense is the beat in the league.

And draft status ONLY plays a role in affording players opportunities, if they don't produce, doesn't matter where they got drafted, eventually they're out the door. Yes a #1 gets more leeway, more chances, doesn't mean he's handed anything other than an opportunity.

 

[Clayton]

alot of ppl were, you're likely watching highlight tape.......he was a media darling on the national champs, media bias.

Nope.

If there is a bias, its not media bias. Its small sample sizes. Sure, he made Xavier McKinney and Trevon Diggs look bad. But maybe they are bad from an NFL standpoint.

I do think CEH has a lot of potential issues from a typical fantasy standpoint because he is going to be over-drafted when put in a pool with non-rookies.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

The good thing there is, he doesn't have to be prolific at anything, and he can still smoke Ronnie in everything except a 40 yd dash..who knows, he might win that too

we'll find out, I bet Vaughn doesn't take the lead in that backfield this year.
agree to disagree

 

[averagejoe]

Did some research.
Looked up Andy Reid's time in KC.
Here's how the passing distribution to the RB went down:

2013 - 153 passes to RB. Jamaal Charles led w/ 104 targets, 693 yards. That's a 70% share.
2014 - 105 passes to RB. Jamaal Charles led w/ 59 targets, 291 yards. 56% share.
2015 - 77 passes to RB. Charcandrick West led w/ 34 targets, 214 yards. 44% share.
2016 - 90 passes to RB. Spencer Ware led w/ 42 targets, 447 yards. 46% share.
2017 - 112 passes to RB. Kareem Hunt led w/ 63 targets, 455 yards. 56% share.
2018 - 97 passes to RB. Kareem Hunt led w/ 35 targets, 378 yards. 36% share.
2019 - 110 passes to RB. Damien Williams led w/ 37 targets, 213 yards. 33% share.
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Averages - 106.2 passes to RB. Leaders garnered 53.4 targets, 384.4 yards.


Based on this, if they do not give this CEH kid some rushing touches, unless it's PPR, those 8.8 targets per game may not add up to much each game.

 

[The Foot]

I don't know how your drafts work out , but the ones I'm in the second best RB in the league isn't available at the 1.05 never mind pick 20.

I'm sorry I wasnt more clear. I am not saying anyone has CEH ranked second. I am saying i do lol. It seems form the mock drafts I seen online that CEH is approx the 8th to 12th RB off the board and my league is IDP so he has a shot to make it to 20 and if he does that's gonna be my pick. But if any other RBS are there at 20 besides mc Caffery and barkey I'm taking CEH at 20 over any other RBS not named mc Caffery or Barkely and obviously those 2 wont be there