This conference champion getting an automatic bid

[Ron G]

Yes, but only a dozen are (currently) recognized by the NCAA and recorded in their official record book. And those dozen do not always award the winner of the last game -- which has been my point all along.

Currently is the operative word. It could go up or down. How much of a donation (I'd peg it at 500,000,000) would it take to get the NCAA to recognize and record the RonG/tc1 College Football Top 25.

 

[dtgold88]

Currently is the operative word. It could go up or down. How much of a donation (I'd peg it at 500,000,000) would it take to get the NCAA to recognize and record the RonG/tc1 College Football Top 25.

Make it a SportsHoopla vote to get more donations?

 

[Ron G]

Make it a SportsHoopla vote to get more donations?

Talk about herding cats. The first-place winner would have less than 10% of the vote and it would be the only undefeated team.

I could see the arguments now in the smoke-filled room. "True we lost 5 games but only one was to an FCS team on a last second wind aided field goal after a missed offensive holding call on the play before. We also have to consider all the cumulative injuries our QB has suffered during his 6 years of eligibility. And don't forget, one of those losses came to a team that had 7 wins. Given these issues, I vote my team #1.

 

[dtgold88]

Talk about herding cats. The first-place winner would have less than 10% of the vote and it would be the only undefeated team.

I could see the arguments now in the smoke-filled room. "True we lost 5 games but only one was to an FCS team on a last second wind aided field goal after a missed offensive holding call on the play before. We also have to consider all the cumulative injuries our QB has suffered during his 6 years of eligibility. And don't forget, one of those losses came to a team that had 7 wins. Given these issues, I vote my team #1.

Hey, it's better than just giving the team who went through a playoff unscathed the only title.

 

[Ron G]

Hey, it's better than just giving the team who went through a playoff unscathed the only title.

That's TC1's position, as he prepares for a possible Oregon loss.

 

[dtgold88]

That's TC1's position, as he prepares for a possible Oregon loss.

Yep....that is who I was referencing. Been here too long to say that's the most absurd comment I've heard here. But has to be top 10.

 

[tc1]

And as I did I showed you all those reasons....question is if you know how different they are why try to use them to compare?

This will be my last comment to you, because your reading comprehension is at a grade-school level, and it is very much not my responsibility to provide you with remediation.

Another individual brought up NCAA basketball, not me. I subsequently explained why NCAA basketball and football are different, and not comparable.

 

[tc1]

That's TC1's position, as he prepares for a possible Oregon loss.

For the record, since a couple people seem to care, I am not an Oregon fan. In fact, for as long as I can remember, I've had a distaste for Nike products sufficient to cause me, back when I used to golf frequently, to leave found balls where they were, if they bore a Swoosh.

That said, I admit that I am very surprised that the denizens here are seemingly only familiar with the past half-dozen or so seasons of college football. It was only that long ago that 4 AP voters declined to award the victor of the last game with that championship, and only the season before that when Alabama and Clemson shared championship selections. This idea, prevalent here, that the winner of one particular game is automatically the undisputed champion just doesn't exist in NCAA FBS, and it hasn't ever. The winner of the last game is __a__ champion, but not necessarily the only one. Very surprised that seemingly no one here is aware of such, while being so obsessed with this game.

 

[dtgold88]

This will be my last comment to you, because your reading comprehension is at a grade-school level, and it is very much not my responsibility to provide you with remediation.

Another individual brought up NCAA basketball, not me. I subsequently explained why NCAA basketball and football are different, and not comparable.

tc1 to English - "you got me again, dt.....and at this point I've dug the hole too deep in my precrying for Oregon there is no way I can get out of it."

You also lack self control and will reply.

 

[dtgold88]

For the record, since a couple people seem to care, I am not an Oregon fan. In fact, for as long as I can remember, I've had a distaste for Nike products sufficient to cause me, back when I used to golf frequently, to leave found balls where they were, if they bore a Swoosh.

That said, I admit that I am very surprised that the denizens here are seemingly only familiar with the past half-dozen or so seasons of college football. It was only that long ago that 4 AP voters declined to award the victor of the last game with that championship, and only the season before that when Alabama and Clemson shared championship selections. This idea, prevalent here, that the winner of one particular game is automatically the undisputed champion just doesn't exist in NCAA FBS, and it hasn't ever. The winner of the last game is __a__ champion, but not necessarily the only one. Very surprised that seemingly no one here is aware of such, while being so obsessed with this game.

sure thing, sport. Precry away.

 

[uga8766]

For the record, since a couple people seem to care, I am not an Oregon fan. In fact, for as long as I can remember, I've had a distaste for Nike products sufficient to cause me, back when I used to golf frequently, to leave found balls where they were, if they bore a Swoosh.

That said, I admit that I am very surprised that the denizens here are seemingly only familiar with the past half-dozen or so seasons of college football. It was only that long ago that 4 AP voters declined to award the victor of the last game with that championship, and only the season before that when Alabama and Clemson shared championship selections. This idea, prevalent here, that the winner of one particular game is automatically the undisputed champion just doesn't exist in NCAA FBS, and it hasn't ever. The winner of the last game is __a__ champion, but not necessarily the only one. Very surprised that seemingly no one here is aware of such, while being so obsessed with this game.

You realize that in the CFP era, the NCAA has not listed a single other champion by any other selector, right?

College football championship history

Here is a comprehensive list of every college football champion from 1869 to the present day.

www.ncaa.com

 

[dtgold88]

You realize that in the CFP era, the NCAA has not listed a single other champion by any other selector, right?

College football championship history

Here is a comprehensive list of every college football champion from 1869 to the present day.

www.ncaa.com

and only 1 year did they list 2 teams since the BCS era.

Guessing he knows this......just wants to precry for some reason in case Oregon loses in the playoff.

 

[tc1]

You realize that in the CFP era, the NCAA has not listed a single other champion by any other selector, right?

College football championship history

Here is a comprehensive list of every college football champion from 1869 to the present day.

www.ncaa.com

You do realize that's not the official list in the NCAA rulebook, right?

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2018/FBS.pdf

How UCF’s National Title Claim is Still Impacting the Program Four Years Later

UCF's undefeated 2017 season changed program and opened the door for the college football playoffs for Group of Five schools.

www.si.com

NCAA rule book recognizes UCF’s national championship

The NCAA indeed just recognized UCF’s 2017 national championship claim. Sort of.

www.nbcsports.com

It's official: NCAA recognizes UCF's national championship in record book

The NCAA has officially recognized UCF's national championship last season in the record book, ending the debate among college football fans.

sports.yahoo.com

Which is another way of saying that you are dead wrong. In 2017 -- 3 years into the CFP era -- the NCAA officially recognized multiple champions.

 

[dtgold88]

You do realize that's not the official list in the NCAA rulebook, right?

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2018/FBS.pdf

How UCF’s National Title Claim is Still Impacting the Program Four Years Later

UCF's undefeated 2017 season changed program and opened the door for the college football playoffs for Group of Five schools.

www.si.com

NCAA rule book recognizes UCF’s national championship

The NCAA indeed just recognized UCF’s 2017 national championship claim. Sort of.

www.nbcsports.com

It's official: NCAA recognizes UCF's national championship in record book

The NCAA has officially recognized UCF's national championship last season in the record book, ending the debate among college football fans.

sports.yahoo.com

Which is another way of saying that you are dead wrong. In 2017 -- 3 years into the CFP era -- the NCAA officially recognized multiple champions.

continue the precrying.

 

[uga8766]

You do realize that's not the official list in the NCAA rulebook, right?

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2018/FBS.pdf

How UCF’s National Title Claim is Still Impacting the Program Four Years Later

UCF's undefeated 2017 season changed program and opened the door for the college football playoffs for Group of Five schools.

www.si.com

NCAA rule book recognizes UCF’s national championship

The NCAA indeed just recognized UCF’s 2017 national championship claim. Sort of.

www.nbcsports.com

It's official: NCAA recognizes UCF's national championship in record book

The NCAA has officially recognized UCF's national championship last season in the record book, ending the debate among college football fans.

sports.yahoo.com

Which is another way of saying that you are dead wrong. In 2017 -- 3 years into the CFP era -- the NCAA officially recognized multiple champions.

IDK, one says "College Football Championship History" and one says "Final National Poll Leaders". Both are NCAA. I think I will go with the one they specify as National Championship History.

 

[tc1]

IDK, one says "College Football Championship History" and one says "Final National Poll Leaders". Both are NCAA. I think I will go with the one they specify as National Championship History.

Here's the official rulebook, again.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2018/FBS.pdf

You'll find Central Florida listed as one of the 2017 Champions on page 115.

So, yes, you clearly "don't know".

 

[Nat Mann]

Here's the official rulebook, again.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2018/FBS.pdf

You'll find Central Florida listed as one of the 2017 Champions on page 115.

No, they are not. From the cited report:
2017
Alabama: College Football Playoff, AP, FW-NFF,
USA Today
+UCF: Colley

+Beginning in 2014, the College Football
Playoff was used to determine national cham
pions in FBS. All “major selectors” not other
wise listed also selected the CFP champion
as its higest ranked team in those seasons.
In years where a “major selector” had a team
other than the CFP champion as highest
ranked team in its final poll that team is listed
below the CFP Champion. [emphasis added]

So it's crystal clear that the winner of the College Football Playoff is the national champion. Which in this case was Alabama.

UCF was merely picked in a poll, but that doesn't make them a champion.

 

[tc1]

So it's crystal clear that the winner of the College Football Playoff is the national champion.

That is not only not "crystal clear", it is incorrect. You are misreading "CFP champion" -- which is the text you quoted -- as "college football champion". Those are two different concepts.

The footnote that you quoted merely distinguishes the timeframes when the BCS and CFP, respectively, were used as a selector. The entire footnote is actually:

^From 1998-2013, the BCS was used to determine national champions in FBS. All“major selectors” not otherwise listed also selected the BCS champion as its higest ranked team in those seasons. In years where a “major selector” had a team other than the BCS champion as highest ranked team in its final poll that team is listed below the BCS Champion.+Beginning in 2014, the College Football Playoff was used to determine national champions in FBS. All “major selectors” not otherwise listed also selected the CFP champion as its higest ranked team in those seasons.In years where a “major selector” had a team other than the CFP champion as highest ranked team in its final poll that team is listed below the CFP Champion.

(all typos courtesy of the NCAA)

UCF was merely picked in a poll, but that doesn't make them a champion.

The Colley matrix isn't a poll, and winning it explicitly does make them an NCAA college football national champion, which is the entire point of the NCAA publishing a list of recognized championship selectors, and listing those selected champions in their rulebook.

And, once again, worth noting that 4 AP voters declined to vote for that Alabama team in the final poll, and instead chose UCF as their national champion. Which demonstrates that AP voters are not required to vote for the CFP winner as national champion. They are, in fact, free to select the most-deserving team in their opinion, regardless of the participants or outcome of the final game.

 

[Nat Mann]

That is not only not "crystal clear", it is incorrect. You are misreading "CFP champion" -- which is the text you quoted -- as "college football champion". Those are two different concepts.

Bullshit.

+Beginning in 2014, the College Football Playoff was used to determine national champions in FBS.

There's nothing ambiguous about it. In 2017 the winner of the CFP was the national champion. Period.

This should be obvious to anyone with fundamental reading ability, even a tenuous grip on reality, or a shred of honesty. I'm not sure how many of those you lack, but I have my suspicions.

And, once again, worth noting that 4 AP voters declined to vote for that Alabama team in the final poll, and instead chose UCF as their national champion. Which demonstrates that AP voters are not required to vote for the CFP winner as national champion. They are, in fact, free to select the most-deserving team in their opinion, regardless of the participants or outcome of the final game.

And those voter's opinions are just that, because the national champion is determined exclusively by the winner of the CFP.

 

[tc1]

Bullshit.

+Beginning in 2014, the College Football Playoff was used to determine national champions in FBS.

And it says the precise same thing about the BCS for the years 1998 through 2013. And as you ought to be aware, college football had multiple champions in nine of those fifteen seasons. And if you are not aware of that fact, the very rule book which we are discussing can fill in the gaps in your knowledge.

To put all too fine a point on your inability to read accurately, the statement above pointedly does not read "Beginning in 2014, the College Football Playoff was used to determine the national champion in FBS." In fact, the full footnote goes on to precisely explain which other national champions are recognized.

There's nothing ambiguous about it. In 2017 the winner of the CFP was the national champion. Period.

Then why, precisely, does the NCAA's official rule book list two different national champions for the 2017 season?

Why, precisely, does the NCAA's official rule book list multiple champions for 60% of the BCS seasons, which you believe are subject to the same clause that you are presently prattling on about?

This should be obvious to anyone with fundamental reading ability, even a tenuous grip on reality, or a shred of honesty. I'm not sure how many of those you lack, but I have my suspicions.

And those voter's opinions are just that, because the national champion is determined exclusively by the winner of the CFP.

This is an entertaining pair of statements. In one, you accuse others of having poor reading ability, and other traits, but in the second, you demonstrate that you possess exactly the traits which you previously referred to others possessing.

Again, you may live in your own little fantasy world, and that's your own business. But the NCAA does not recognize your fantasy - instead, the NCAA recognizes a dozen national champion selectors, and those selectors often do not agree, and award their title according to their own priorities. And only one of those dozen selectors in the College Football Playoff.

You may fervently wish for a different system to be in place, but you'll have to lobby the NCAA to change, since they currently disagree with you.