They were handcuffed, but how bad was the Butler deal for Miami?

[HurricaneDij39]

They actually played respectable ball w/o Butler prior to the trade, but have gone 4-11 since and don’t have any direction as a franchise whatsoever… I actually feel worry for what Jimmy did to them, because they really didn’t deserve this.

Looking back at the return, it was Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Anderson, Davion Mitchell, and what it quickly appearing to be a late first (Jimmy’s ability to get FT’s filled what has become an obvious hole for GS).

Throw in another player that started the year with the Heat, Terry Rozier, and Miami has two middling veterans who has once-promising careers that have clearly plateaued as they hit 30. Wiggins and Rozier will combine to make $55 million next season, and if you add Kyle Anderson to that group and that number rises to $64 million tied to three ho-hum vets…

While Wiggins will still put up decent scoring numbers, the rest of his game is uninspiring and there’s such marginal trade value between those three players. Maybe they could try and see if Charlotte would take back Rozier and the last year of his contract for free, but otherwise this is a franchise stuck in the mud.

The sky is cloudy in Miami. But…

Them tanking in addition to the Hawks embarking on a winning stretch again is what’s going to help me win the over/under contest.

 

[trojanfan12]

It was so bad...you made a thread about it at 1:04 in the morning?

 

[logic]

It was so bad...you made a thread about it at 1:04 in the morning?

Actually, he's presumably in Indiana, so it would be 3:04 in the morning.

And with his history of feelings about the Heat, who believes he feels sorry for them at all?

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Actually, he's presumably in Indiana, so it would be 3:04 in the morning.

And with his history of feelings about the Heat, who believes he feels sorry for them at all?

I’m not joking here… I wouldn’t wish that $64 million of commitments for those three middling 30-somethings on anyone.

I wasn’t a fan of the Pacers’ Obi Toppin deal for him to make eight figures to play about 15 minutes a night, but unlike the three Miami guys, he at least is 26/27 (would have to look up his exact age)..,

 

[MHSL82]

They actually played respectable ball w/o Butler prior to the trade, but have gone 4-11 since and don’t have any direction as a franchise whatsoever… I actually feel worry for what Jimmy did to them, because they really didn’t deserve this.

Looking back at the return, it was Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Anderson, Davion Mitchell, and what it quickly appearing to be a late first (Jimmy’s ability to get FT’s filled what has become an obvious hole for GS).

Throw in another player that started the year with the Heat, Terry Rozier, and Miami has two middling veterans who has once-promising careers that have clearly plateaued as they hit 30. Wiggins and Rozier will combine to make $55 million next season, and if you add Kyle Anderson to that group and that number rises to $64 million tied to three ho-hum vets…

While Wiggins will still put up decent scoring numbers, the rest of his game is uninspiring and there’s such marginal trade value between those three players. Maybe they could try and see if Charlotte would take back Rozier and the last year of his contract for free, but otherwise this is a franchise stuck in the mud.

The sky is cloudy in Miami. But…

Them tanking in addition to the Hawks embarking on a winning stretch again is what’s going to help me win the over/under contest.

They’re going to go the San Antonio route and get Cooper Flagg. Having said that, I am pretty out of the NBA this year so I don’t actually know their standings, just the last 15 games.

 

[WiggyRuss]

They actually played respectable ball w/o Butler prior to the trade, but have gone 4-11 since and don’t have any direction as a franchise whatsoever… I actually feel worry for what Jimmy did to them, because they really didn’t deserve this.

Looking back at the return, it was Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Anderson, Davion Mitchell, and what it quickly appearing to be a late first (Jimmy’s ability to get FT’s filled what has become an obvious hole for GS).

Throw in another player that started the year with the Heat, Terry Rozier, and Miami has two middling veterans who has once-promising careers that have clearly plateaued as they hit 30. Wiggins and Rozier will combine to make $55 million next season, and if you add Kyle Anderson to that group and that number rises to $64 million tied to three ho-hum vets…

While Wiggins will still put up decent scoring numbers, the rest of his game is uninspiring and there’s such marginal trade value between those three players. Maybe they could try and see if Charlotte would take back Rozier and the last year of his contract for free, but otherwise this is a franchise stuck in the mud.

The sky is cloudy in Miami. But…

Them tanking in addition to the Hawks embarking on a winning stretch again is what’s going to help me win the over/under contest.

you are right on with all of this.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I’m not joking here… I wouldn’t wish that $64 million of commitments for those three middling 30-somethings on anyone.

I wasn’t a fan of the Pacers’ Obi Toppin deal for him to make eight figures to play about 15 minutes a night, but unlike the three Miami guys, he at least is 26/27 (would have to look up his exact age)..,

that is a lot of money for mediocrity.

 

[trojanfan12]

They actually played respectable ball w/o Butler prior to the trade, but have gone 4-11 since and don’t have any direction as a franchise whatsoever… I actually feel worry for what Jimmy did to them, because they really didn’t deserve this.

Looking back at the return, it was Andrew Wiggins, Kyle Anderson, Davion Mitchell, and what it quickly appearing to be a late first (Jimmy’s ability to get FT’s filled what has become an obvious hole for GS).

Throw in another player that started the year with the Heat, Terry Rozier, and Miami has two middling veterans who has once-promising careers that have clearly plateaued as they hit 30. Wiggins and Rozier will combine to make $55 million next season, and if you add Kyle Anderson to that group and that number rises to $64 million tied to three ho-hum vets…

While Wiggins will still put up decent scoring numbers, the rest of his game is uninspiring and there’s such marginal trade value between those three players. Maybe they could try and see if Charlotte would take back Rozier and the last year of his contract for free, but otherwise this is a franchise stuck in the mud.

The sky is cloudy in Miami. But…

Them tanking in addition to the Hawks embarking on a winning stretch again is what’s going to help me win the over/under contest.

you are right on with all of this.

Cane right now...

 

[WiggyRuss]

Cane right now...

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hey if he is right hes right would you want your team paying those 3 guys almost 70 million next year?

 

[WiggyRuss]

the really bad thing add Robinson picking up his option- which he almost certainly will- and you have like 80 million for Rozier, Wiggins, Anderson and Robinson......thats dirty.

herro and bam are young enough where if you let those guys expire you do have a base to add too eventually.