The Return of the Three Amigos?

[Mingo]

Hamler has inconsistent focus - his hands are fine (Just my humble opinion). I agree with the Broncos - those are two different things. Where I don't agree with the Broncos is that good coaches can teach focus.

Here's Hamler with an extraordinary take off twich - now will have to focus the ball into his hands and still twich fast. The best way to cure this problem is to give up some of Hamler's after catch production - at least until he can accommodate another trigger point after the catch to twich and go.

I have no doubt - Hamler will continue to drop more than average number of balls by trying to run too soon. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. On the other hand - the defense still has to defend him because you don't know when he is going to make a drop. He has tremendous decoy value.

One thought - with Jeudy on board - as he was - I would rather have had Hamler over Ruggs if both were available in that draft slot.

 

[CEH]

Hamler has inconsistent focus - his hands are fine (Just my humble opinion). I agree with the Broncos - those are two different things. Where I don't agree with the Broncos is that good coaches can teach focus.

Here's Hamler with an extraordinary take off twich - now will have to focus the ball into his hands and still twich fast. The best way to cure this problem is to give up some of Hamler's after catch production - at least until he can accommodate another trigger point after the catch to twich and go.

I have no doubt - Hamler will continue to drop more than average number of balls by trying to run too soon. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. On the other hand - the defense still has to defend him because you don't know when he is going to make a drop. He has tremendous decoy value.

One thought - with Jeudy on board - as he was - I would rather have had Hamler over Ruggs if both were available in that draft slot.

So glad Hamler did not run at the combine . He would have went earlier if he ran a sub 4.3

 

[Draft Crazy]

Hamler has inconsistent focus - his hands are fine (Just my humble opinion). I agree with the Broncos - those are two different things. Where I don't agree with the Broncos is that good coaches can teach focus.

Here's Hamler with an extraordinary take off twich - now will have to focus the ball into his hands and still twich fast. The best way to cure this problem is to give up some of Hamler's after catch production - at least until he can accommodate another trigger point after the catch to twich and go.

I have no doubt - Hamler will continue to drop more than average number of balls by trying to run too soon. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. On the other hand - the defense still has to defend him because you don't know when he is going to make a drop. He has tremendous decoy value.

One thought - with Jeudy on board - as he was - I would rather have had Hamler over Ruggs if both were available in that draft slot.

I see what you're saying, but "hands", either you can catch or you can't.. Whatever the reason for dropping, inconsistent focus, eye issues, razor blades in your hands, the hands are the issue because unless you can catch with your mouth, you catch with your hands. But I think you're right in saying inconsistent focus what seems to happen a lot to smaller deep threat WR's.

All due respect. I think coaches can teach good focus. There are drills and techniques players can work on for improving focus. We have seen a lot of players have drop issues coming out of college and improve on it throughout their NFL career. If that is all because of coaching or the player we don't really know. I would guess it comes a little from both but at the end of the day, where I do agree with your comment at is it is really on the player to improve his focus but good coaching can help with ways in which to do that.

So I guess I am agreeing with you on your post, but just being a little too technical?

I also think Hamler's "drops", are a bit blown out of the water by some. Sure, he dropped 9 passes this year, but look at the big plays he did make. Look at how he changes our offense and makes the players around him better because of his ability to hit the home run. Yes, he surely needs to improve on his hands to get him to the next level because he isn't going to be an 80 catch guy, so he has to make the most of every catch with his speed. I wouldn't say he has bad hands, I would say he doesn't have "great" hands, but it is 100% given that he can improve on his hands. There are some things you can't improve and then there are things you can easily improve, and hands can easily be improved.

Would you rather a Fred Brown who can catch everything but doesn't get open the way a Hamler does, nor strike the same fear into the defense. Or would you rather a Hamler who will drop a pass here and there, but also strikes fear into the way a defense prepares for a team and opens things up underneath for guys like Sutton, Jeudy and Fant who can also stretch the field?

Sure- You don't want a bunch of Hamler's but you really need one of these guys on your team. Last year we tried getting Diontae Spencer involved because our offense lacked this type of player (Our offense really has always lacked this type of player). Spencer was more of a short pass and hope for the best... Hamler is a true deep threat... We saw flashes of Eddie Royal, but no consistency, can't really say Isaiah McKenzie was even drafted for this type of role. We knew when drafting him he was primarly a return man and gadget player. Denver just never gave him the same chance to be a gadget player that the Bills have since signing him.

I think Hamler went about as high as he could have gone.

 

[MileHigh64]

At least we won't be referring to them as The Three Stooges. That nickname is reserved for the Siemian, Keenum, Flacco trio that was trotted out onto the field the last few years.

 

[Draft Crazy]

At least we won't be referring to them as The Three Stooges. That nickname is reserved for the Siemian, Keenum, Flacco trio that was trotted out onto the field the last few years.

I’d give it to Siemian, Lynch, Flacco.

 

[IronJaw]

I remember an interview with Vance Johnson talking about the Three Amigos. The reporter asked where Steve Watson fit in. Vance said, “He’s the gringo!”

 

[Mingo]

I remember an interview with Vance Johnson talking about the Three Amigos. The reporter asked where Steve Watson fit in. Vance said, “He’s the gringo!”

Steve Watson was a great favorite of mine for years. He does not get the credit and acclaim he deserves for his career. He learned some kind of karate or marshal art to assist him (in his pushing off). Steve Watson and John Elway were the absolute masters at creating downfield defensive pass interference situations for Watson (doesn't show up in the stats).

 

[Draft Crazy]

Remember Michael Young?

 

[Mingo]

Remember Michael Young?

He would certainly be remembered better if the heart and soul of every Bronco fan hadn't been pounded by the 49ers in the Super Bowl - like 89. Young had a great run receiving through the playoffs.

 

[IronJaw]

I remember when Gary Kubiak started his first game of the season in 1983 when both, Steve DeBerg and John Elway were sidelined with injuries and the flu respectively. It was a very crucial game against Seattle. Kubiak's first pass completion in the first quarter was a 78 yard TD pass to Steve Watson. Watson was Gary's favorite target that game and the Broncos won, 38-27 which kept the team in the playoff race in the 12th game of the season.

 

[58crash]

Remember Michael Young?

Elway's best friend. I think he still works for the Broncos in some fashion.

 

[CEH]

Remember Michael Young?

His 70-yard touchdown reception was one of the biggest plays in the Denver Broncos’ 37-21 victory over the Cleveland Browns in the 1989 AFC championship game. I remember it because it started at 11:30 am instead of the normal 3:00 PM. AFC was the first game on Championship Sunday. Beautiful 50 degree day.

 

[megalodon30]

Look something like this:

Would love to see this camaraderie with the whole team.

 

[listopencil]

Hamler has inconsistent focus - his hands are fine (Just my humble opinion). I agree with the Broncos - those are two different things. Where I don't agree with the Broncos is that good coaches can teach focus.

Here's Hamler with an extraordinary take off twich - now will have to focus the ball into his hands and still twich fast. The best way to cure this problem is to give up some of Hamler's after catch production - at least until he can accommodate another trigger point after the catch to twich and go.

I have no doubt - Hamler will continue to drop more than average number of balls by trying to run too soon. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. On the other hand - the defense still has to defend him because you don't know when he is going to make a drop. He has tremendous decoy value.

One thought - with Jeudy on board - as he was - I would rather have had Hamler over Ruggs if both were available in that draft slot.

I very strongly disagree with that last part. Ruggs seems to have great hands and both of them seem to have similar speed. If he had been available at our Hamler pick and we had gone Hamler instead I would have been pissed.

 

[Mingo]

I very strongly disagree with that last part. Ruggs seems to have great hands and both of them seem to have similar speed. If he had been available at our Hamler pick and we had gone Hamler instead I would have been pissed.

You have very good takes. I realized at the time I had probably a minority opinion on what I indicated.

The reason I made that comment is I believe Hamler has better open field running capabilities and is nearly or just as fast as Ruggs. With Jeudy already in the bag on the 1st round - I think Hamler brings a couple of things that Ruggs doesn't show. I was not trying to make a level comparison with Ruggs and Hamler - just what adds more to the Broncos attack with Jeudy and Sutton already aboard.

 

[CEH]

You have very good takes. I realized at the time I had probably a minority opinion on what I indicated.

The reason I made that comment is I believe Hamler has better open field running capabilities and is nearly or just as fast as Ruggs. With Jeudy already in the bag on the 1st round - I think Hamler brings a couple of things that Ruggs doesn't show. I was not trying to make a level comparison with Ruggs and Hamler - just what adds more to the Broncos attack with Jeudy and Sutton already aboard.

Ruggs is pure potential. In the last bowl game, Juedy put up 200+, Ruggs disappeared. 1 catch for 25 and another catch for 2. Now sure how you catch just on 2 passes in the Bama offense that put up 35.

Ruggs going to OAK feesl like DHB. We can only hope.


Hamler has speed and big production against top teams like Michigan and OSU

 

[CEH]

Ruggs was injured in the 3rd qtr of their bowl game .

Still don;t understand why there is a time limit on editing posts. Very strange. Make zero sense.

 

[Mingo]

Ruggs was injured in the 3rd qtr of their bowl game .

Still don;t understand why there is a time limit on editing posts. Very strange. Make zero sense.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Ruggs was nowhere near 100% the last part of last year. Numbers don’t tell a story in college football especially (we already had this discussion so I won’t go into it)


Between Ruggs and Hamler, without any hesitation I run to the bank with Ruggs. Bit I am glad KJ Hamler is a Bronco.

and I feel for Henry Ruggs because at least given current situation I feel the Raiders won’t get the most out of him. Speed WR’s are very tricky in how you use them and I think Ruggs was setup perfect to succeed in Denver. That being said I am very happy with Jeudy and Hamler so surely not gonna complain on this one.

We really need some football to start uo here. Somehow we keep managing to go back to Gordon signing and Hamler/Jeudy/Lamb/Ruggs topic. Been there done that might be more fun to talk about when they actually play more games. I so think Ruggs succeeds much better in Denver then Las Vegas. I think the Raiders should have gone Jeudy or Lamb and Denver I thibk was in a good situation to get good success out of any three looking at offensive fit.

 

[listopencil]

You have very good takes. I realized at the time I had probably a minority opinion on what I indicated.

The reason I made that comment is I believe Hamler has better open field running capabilities and is nearly or just as fast as Ruggs. With Jeudy already in the bag on the 1st round - I think Hamler brings a couple of things that Ruggs doesn't show. I was not trying to make a level comparison with Ruggs and Hamler - just what adds more to the Broncos attack with Jeudy and Sutton already aboard.

I think I still carry a bitterness about drafting Hamler. I know that our WR group was weak going into the draft. I mean, looking at it right now all three rookie WR's are probably quality additions that belong on the team at some place on the depth chart of the active roster and even the last WR picked may end up active on game days. That is really saying a lot. But the Hamler pick surprised me after the Jeudy pick and I got all butthurt at the time about 'value' when there were other guys at other positions that I think would have made more sense. I think the Hamler pick was a gamble and now I'm stuck hoping it pays off. So maybe this makes me judge him more harshly, but what I am seeing is a guy that had maybe three routes that he ran well in college and a big problem catching the ball.

I didn't see that with Ruggs. I saw a very fast guy that ran OK college routes with really good hands in Ruggs. And Ruggs really does have serious speed/quickness. With that being said I agree with you that Hamler's speed/quickness is very similar to Ruggs'. Close enough in my opinion to be a wash. It's the route running and hands that put Ruggs over Hamler to me and I think that's also why Ruggs went in the first and Hamler went in the second.