The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[trojanfan12]

how do you figure?

True, you haven't won the North in a couple of years. I guess I was just being nice. Maybe you have no more seasons left.

 

[OregonDucks]

Last year is pretty recent. I know how we did. How'd you do?

won 11 games.

 

[trojanfan12]

won 11 games.

Uh, Oly and I were talking about vs. Stanford. If you're going to interrupt, at least try to keep up with the conversation. Thanks.

 

[socaljim242]

no lie. you guys literally took no step forward or backward with the hire. You got a Kiffin remake.

If you watch USC in the first game and they don't throw 20 bubble screens then you are wrong.

 

[trojanfan12]

If you watch USC in the first game and they don't throw 20 bubble screens then you are wrong.

Kiffin did love that bubble screen.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Kiffin did love that bubble screen.

IF that's the case TF, expect Bama to throw a ton of em with their "new" incoming QB as well.

 

[Olyduck]

Last year is pretty recent. I know how we did. How'd you do?

last year and thats it. recent as in the last 3 or 4 not 1.

 

[Olyduck]

True, you haven't won the North in a couple of years. I guess I was just being nice. Maybe you have no more seasons left.

really? and how many south titles do you have?

 

[trojanfan12]

IF that's the case TF, expect Bama to throw a ton of em with their "new" incoming QB as well.

I don't know about that. If he does, we might get to see Saban choke him out on live t.v. in the middle of a game.

 

[trojanfan12]

really? and how many south titles do you have?

1 which happens to be the same number of North titles that Oregon has. Won it the same year that Oregon won their only North title and we beat you at Autzen that year too.

 

[Olyduck]

1 which happens to be the same number of North titles that Oregon has. Won it the same year that Oregon won their only North title and we beat you at Autzen that year too.

Actually Oregon has 3 division titles. 1 outright and 2 cochamps with Stanford. same conference record. Stanford head to head wins the tiebreaker and goes to title game.

 

[trojanfan12]

Actually Oregon has 3 division titles. 1 outright and 2 cochamps with Stanford. same conference record. Stanford head to head wins the tiebreaker and goes to title game.

Here's the trophy for those "Co-Championships"

 

[mrwallace2ku]

^ lolz TF

 

[Olyduck]

my bad anyway oregon and stanford tied 3 years. so its 3 cochampionships.

what does the trophy look like for USC ineligible for title look like?

 

[WizardHawk]

Why? Is Coach Pete putting on a jockstrap and a helmet on Sats now? Unproven commodity at the Pac level.

Petersen > Sark as a coach.

USC > UW in recruiting.

The question is which has more impact and over what period of time.

Building through recruiting takes several years. There are many teams with great talent that under produce because of coaching and teams with middle talent that thrive under a particular coach or scheme.

OcD (The name now fits again) is delusional and that's nothing new. Helf is still an unproven HC, Sark still hasn't matured as a HC, USC is still a few cycles away from having the depth and quality they used to, Petersen still has to get his system installed and a team built around it, and all of it will play itself out on Saturdays next fall. This is why we all watch and follow it.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

^ Good post Whizzer...

 

[WizardHawk]

It sure won't be Oregon. You guys can't even win the North anymore.

Oh, it's likely Petersen will have UW on top in the North in about 3 years, but USC will likely be back on top of the PAC by next year.

We pulled in the top recruiting class in the PAC this past season with only 19. We're already looking like it'll be even better for 2015 and we get our full schollies back beginning in 2015.

All of this is true, but USC won't reach it's full potential until it has 85 AND 25 solid seniors with a good mix of experience around the rest of it. That won't happen in just the first year of reaching your full class.

Aren't all classes capped at 25 in any season regardless of how many they have left on the 85 total? If so then it will take a few years to reach that upper limit and even if not your extras coming in will still be freshmen with less seniors than most of the rest of the conference. That means dominating due to talent and experience is still at least a couple of years away and might not be fully met until 3 full seasons from now.

 

[trojanfan12]

Petersen > Sark as a coach.

USC > UW in recruiting.

The question is which has more impact and over what period of time.

Building through recruiting takes several years. There are many teams with great talent that under produce because of coaching and teams with middle talent that thrive under a particular coach or scheme.

OcD (The name now fits again) is delusional and that's nothing new. Helf is still an unproven HC, Sark still hasn't matured as a HC, USC is still a few cycles away from having the depth and quality they used to, Petersen still has to get his system installed and a team built around it, and all of it will play itself out on Saturdays next fall. This is why we all watch and follow it.

Agree with pretty much all of this. Only question that I have is how do we know Petersen is better than Sark in coaching? Petersen did a great job at Boise, but we don't know how he will respond to coaching against PAC 12 level talent and PAC 12 level coaching on a weekly basis.

My guess is that he will do just fine, but until he does, we can't say for sure how good he is.

 

[trojanfan12]

All of this is true, but USC won't reach it's full potential until it has 85 AND 25 solid seniors with a good mix of experience around the rest of it. That won't happen in just the first year of reaching your full class.

Aren't all classes capped at 25 in any season regardless of how many they have left on the 85 total? If so then it will take a few years to reach that upper limit and even if not your extras coming in will still be freshmen with less seniors than most of the rest of the conference. That means dominating due to talent and experience is still at least a couple of years away and might not be fully met until 3 full seasons from now.

But I couldn't resist the opportunity to rustle OD's jimmies. As for the 25, I can't seem to find a consistent answer on that. I have heard that teams can go over the 25 limit if they need to in order to get to 85 and we here all of the time about SEC teams signing over the 25 schollie limit.

On the other hand, why have the 25 schollie limit if the true cap is 85?

 

[trojanfan12]

my bad anyway oregon and stanford tied 3 years. so its 3 cochampionships.

what does the trophy look like for USC ineligible for title look like?

Don't want to short change you or anything!!