The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[yeodonie]

I don't use win% and I don't use ranking #s in my formula. I still have the SEC SoS being worlds ahead. It's specifically done to weed out any kind of advantages that you are talking about.

And the top teams do play each other, so not sure what you are going on about there. The SEC West alone has Alabama, LSU and Auburn in it. Arkansas was top10 until Petrino got caught with some ass on the back of his mopad, and they were west too.

Ah do you use something arbitrary. Alrighty then. Carry on

 

[trojanfan12]

I don't use win% and I don't use ranking #s in my formula. I still have the SEC SoS being worlds ahead. It's specifically done to weed out any kind of advantages that you are talking about.

And the top teams do play each other, so not sure what you are going on about there. The SEC West alone has Alabama, LSU and Auburn in it. Arkansas was top10 until Petrino got caught with some ass on the back of his mopad, and they were west too.

Let's see. An Alabama fan has his own ranking system that has the SEC "worlds ahead" on SOS!!

Why, that is just shocking!!

 

[trojanfan12]

All this means what really, are you so impressed with USC and its scheduling that you think they are the greatest or what? Personally I look at the overall record that Alabama has over the PAC teams and wonder what you're so impressed with.

Yeah, I'm very impressed and proud of the fact that USC has never played an FCS school. As for Bama's record vs. the PAC, when was the last time you played a PAC school? The 70's?

Hell, when was the last time you played a game west of the Mississippi?

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

As I've pointed out, the ACC and it's fans don't run around pounding their chests and putting down other conferences while scheduling like pansies.

And as i have stated, what does that have to do with fairness, its a perception thing you are angling against, not a fairness thing. You want all SEC fans to be lumped into the group with the ones who actually do this, but that still plays no part on this issue and its fairness doctrine you guys want to preach. Reality is that both conferences schedule similarly and one is a more egregious offender in the FCS game, but the other is being called out because they have had more success and a few of their fans are overzealous. This is not about fairness or level playing field, its about the bone that you and many others have to pick with the SEC over anything and everything SEC.

I have a friend who is an ACC fan that told me when the news came out he worried if the PAC would say anything about their vote, I assured him they never would as it wasnt about the vote or the 8 game schedule, it was about the SEC in general. He laughed then, but he called me today and said I was right. Even he see's what its about and he is not really a football fan except when his team is doing well.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Yeah, I'm very impressed and proud of the fact that USC has never played an FCS school. As for Bama's record vs. the PAC, when was the last time you played a PAC school? The 70's?

Hell, when was the last time you played a game west of the Mississippi?

Hell, just last year if I am not mistaken, isnt College Station and Dallas West of the Mississippi. I also remember coming past the Ole Miss for a title game a while back, cant remember where though. What I do find funny is that Alabama has won more Rose Bowls that all but two of the B1G and four of the PAC teams. Must've played FCS teams in those games huh?

As for the record over the PAC, does it make it less impressive? I mean it was a pretty level playing field back then and in some cases not so much seeing as we had some of those wins with them nasty ole white players versus your integrated teams. We finally got over that hump and now its a new whine coming from the West coast. That side of the country is like a bad bicycle tire, always got a hiss or a squeak coming from it.

 

[yeodonie]

Do you call Oregon pussies for their schedule?

9 conf games and a top 5 OOC game? No, I'm not dumb.

 

[4down20]

Let's see. An Alabama fan has his own ranking system that has the SEC "worlds ahead" on SOS!!

Why, that is just shocking!!

Ahh, because I'm an Alabama fan, then it must because of my personal bias.

Even though I have Alabama ranked like 12th for the SEC in SoS for this coming year and mentioned that earlier. I've said over and over our schedule is week and the rankings reflect that.

I also had them ranked 12th(team rankings) at the end of last year, and 5th in the preseason this year - all due to SoS.

The average for all polls and computer formulas for Alabama - 3rd. The lowest any ranking system had Alabama - 13.

At no point in the rankings is conference ever used.
But yep, nothing but bias on my part. Don't like the results - claim it's bias.

 

[WhiteMamba]

9 conf games and a top 5 OOC game? No, I'm not dumb.

2 of those conf games against top 10s and another couple vs top 25

Oregon has a very good SOS this season.

 

[yeodonie]

2 of those conf games against top 10s and another couple vs top 25

Oregon has a very good SOS this season.

TEAM SEC doesn't buy it. Everyone knows playing Vandy and Kentucky is a grind

 

[WizardHawk]

If the SEC went to 9 games or didn't play a FCS team it wouldn't have ANY impact on college football. AT ALL. The SEC has had the toughest schedules overall for the past 5+ years and it didn't make a difference.

And if you do those other things your overall SOS goes up and unless the top teams from the rest of the conferences just want to roll over and let the SEC have 3 in the finals they would have to step up as well.

This just isn't complicated. In fact some of your own fellow SEC fans have said it's obvious and should go without saying. It seems only you need the see spot run version.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

TEAM SEC doesn't buy it. Everyone knows playing Vandy and Kentucky is a grind

Got Damn, glad we dont play either one this year

 

[WhiteMamba]

TEAM SEC doesn't buy it. Everyone knows playing Vandy and Kentucky is a grind

You are talking with someone who has never stepped foot in a college football venue. His Perspective is different.

 

[4down20]

9 conf games and a top 5 OOC game? No, I'm not dumb.

Oh yeah, 9 conf games?

Let's see what games your extra conference games gave you this year.

UCLA
Arizona
Utah
Colorado

Wow. Just knocking down them tough teams right? I guess UCLA has a chance of being top25 at the end of the year.

And what does the north have to offer anyway?

Stanford - you'll probably lose again.
Washington - might be better than last year, but we'll see.
Oregon St - lol
Washington St - lol
Cal - LMAO

Then how about the OOC games?

Michigan St - very high quality game and probably the best team on your schedule.
Wyoming - went 5-7 last year after playing almost the easiest schedule in football.
South Dakota - FCS


So pretty much the good games of your regular season:

1. Michigan St
2. Stanford

Potentially good, as in maybe top25:

1. UCLA
2. Washington.

The rest are basically trash.

Turns out, playing 9 conference games doesn't really mean shit. Without that Michigan St game, your schedule wouldn't even crack the top90 and would pretty much consist of "Stanford", much like last year.

 

[WhiteMamba]

The committee will "screw the SEC" during selection process. These guys ain't fuckin around with SOS.

 

[WhiteMamba]

4whine20 you are delusional

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

And if you do those other things your overall SOS goes up and unless the top teams from the rest of the conferences just want to roll over and let the SEC have 3 in the finals they would have to step up as well.

This just isn't complicated. In fact some of your own fellow SEC fans have said it's obvious and should go without saying. It seems only you need the see spot run version.

And in the same light, you guys need to see that you have fans that are claiming its the chest thumping and overzealous nature of some of the SEC fans and not anything to do with the 8 game in conference schedule that several conferences play. This, in my opinion, is not about fairness, its about the bone may have to pick with the SEC over whatever slight they feel that they wont admit they feel. If it was about fairness in scheduling, then a similar rant would be going towards the ACC at this very moment...and we've seen the crickets in that thread.

 

[4down20]

And if you do those other things your overall SOS goes up and unless the top teams from the rest of the conferences just want to roll over and let the SEC have 3 in the finals they would have to step up as well.

This just isn't complicated. In fact some of your own fellow SEC fans have said it's obvious and should go without saying. It seems only you need the see spot run version.

If you want change then what has to happen is OTHER CONFERENCES have to start playing tougher OVERALL schedules than the SEC by a wide enough margin to matter.

Like it or not, even with 8 conference game schedules and 1 FCS team, the SEC still has a more difficult schedule on average.

Instead what happened was teams like Boise St and TCU were getting credit as being world beaters while playing extremely shitty schedules, and because they would go undefeated people were screaming they should go to the NCG. But no, they aren't to blame, it's the teams that were already playing the more difficult schedule that is to blame?

What is the SEC going to accomplish here? Seriously.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

The committee will "screw the SEC" during selection process. These guys ain't fuckin around with SOS.

Only time will tell, but that same thing has been said in the past about other forms of selections processes also.

 

[WizardHawk]

Played more FCS teams in last 10 years, plays similar 8 game schedule, is one of the power 5 conferences, just voted to continue the 8 game in conference the same as SEC. If this is truly about level playing field, then the same disdain and ruffled feathers should be directed at them also, they did afterall just win the BCS title. If its about fairness, they share in the blame for staying at 8, they could have changed and put more pressure on the SEC to change also or risk being left out due to SoS being weaker with 8 conference game while all other power 5's are at 9 games. After all it not all about the SEC is it, that would spell another reason entirely.

Read the title of this thread again and tell me what it has to do with the ACC.

The media questioned all of the pac 12 coaches and the pac 12 meetings and several of them said they'd like to see a level playing field. They didn't get up on soap boxes and seek out the media to complain about it. They were asked and they answered. Had then been asked about the ACC they'd probably say the same thing. But they didn't.

FSU did win the title and yet their conference is still not considered one of the top 2 or 3 really. I mean of course they would consider themselves that way, but no one outside of their footprint does.

Should the ACC also go to a level playing field? Of course. Does anyone really think the same about them not as the SEC? Really? Come on man. Think a bit more and the answer will come to you.

Keep on trying, but it's not going to work. This attempt to deflect by trying to move everyone on to the ACC just isn't going to work. Not now, not tomorrow, not next month, not next season. If the SEC steps up the others will too or suffer being left even farther behind. Like it or not that's how it works.

 

[yeodonie]

And in the same light, you guys need to see that you have fans that are claiming its the chest thumping and overzealous nature of some of the SEC fans and not anything to do with the 8 game in conference schedule that several conferences play. This, in my opinion, is not about fairness, its about the bone may have to pick with the SEC over whatever slight they feel that they wont admit they feel. If it was about fairness in scheduling, then a similar rant would be going towards the ACC at this very moment...and we've seen the crickets in that thread.

Because there aren't ACC homers defending it?