The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[WhiteMamba]

You laugh there will be an SEc school that will have the tramp stamp, sooner or later.....

And we can't call it a "tramp stamp" cause it's too low, lets call it what it is, an ass stamp!

Northwestern leads the charge in REAL tramp stamps on REAL unis.

 

[mcnabb7542]

I believe the Beavers should step up and and put the "Beav" logo on as a manhood cover!

 

[socaljim242]

lol, you call me an idiot?

Where did ANYONE say less penalties equals or does not equal more/less wins? You are talking about two different things. I said "Hell, even Willingham's teams had more discipline." Nowhere... NOWHERE did I say he was a better coach or had more wins. Talk about idiocy.

Why would you complain about penalties if it didn't ( in your opinion) affect wins? You said this in an older post "I'm glad the discipline is back on this team". Did you complain about the Seahawks leading the league in penalties ( if you did you are an idiot).?

I'm not sure how much more of the see-spot-run version I can create for you, but I've never claimed Sark wasn't a good coach. NEVER. And I never denied he did good things for the program. NEVER. Just seems some of you don't understand the basic written word.

If you think Sark was a good coach (which is obvious to anyone whos read your posts that you don't ) then why would you say "Sark can recruit, but can he get the most out of them and can he run a team of young men with the discipline needed to ensure they represent your university the way they should? He didn't do that for us, that's for sure." To me that's saying he's not a good coach just a good recruiter.
" He just doesn't push the fundamentals". So you don't say he's not a good coach but he doesn;t push the fundamentals? Does a "good coach" do that? LOL
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Pretty sure that is not what you say about a "good coach". but keep telling me you didn;t say he wasn't.lol
The fact that you bring up how much more disciplined the previous coaches team was and ignoring the fact that his team went 0-9 doesn;t make your argument any better.

All during his tenure I spoke regularly about my dislike of how undisciplined his teams were. I'm seriously entitled to that opinion and I don't need to run it past you first.

So after he left I simply told TF12 good luck with that and after your team ends up losing a few games giving up more than 10 penalties maybe he sings a different tune.

I'm amazed at how far your fans are willing to go now to stand up for a guy none of you gave a shit about three months ago and probably made fun of. Now it's as if he is the second coming. He is going to surpass McKay right?

"he's the second coming" . He is going to surpass McKay" I post what you say and you post what you think we are thinking. So who's making stuff up?

He was a decent coach that did a so-so job at a university that (where TF12 likes it or not) has had a long history of being a place you can win at. He had his own kids, with his own coaches and the best he could do was 8 wins and why? Talent? lol, No, and if it was then how can you all give him such praise for his recruiting now and not give it to the school itself? I mean you don't have to recruit for USC, kids recruit themselves there. His problem was a lack of discipline. Not just the kids, but even for himself. Wild play calls and unnecessary risks that cost them games.

Wild play calls? LOL. But you're jumping for joy that Peterson is there. He's never run any "wild plays" right? LOL.


His kids cost them many games due to stupid penalties. Not the kinds where you were just playing hard and aggressive and caused one, but just plain old stupid ones. Ask any UW fan how many games we lost each season due to just penalties. Nothing more.

Usually when any team loses it's some stupid penalty ( or multiple) or some turnovers. You think thats just his ( Sarks) teams?
Now that I've sent another one of you back to your hole again I can't wait to hear how unimportant we are. I mean that's the standard line for condoms that are discarded like the spent cum wrappers they are.

Now that I've shown how idiotic your points are you can go back to think up more childish come backs.

 

[4down20]

FYI, it's not hard to use the quote tags.

Just put (quote) at the start and (/quote) at the end. Except use the brackets instead. Then you can break up the little sections into quotes, reply under them and people can read it easier and it also helps with them wanting to reply.

 

[WhiteMamba]

ya what the hell is going on with that post?

 

[mrwallace2ku]

I believe the Beavers should step up and and put the "Beav" logo on as a manhood cover!

Nope! Beaver logo already on front left side of upper thigh area of pants.


Perhaps a Huskie dawg emblem should be put on the backside of your teams pants. Wif the dawgs nose fading away around the donuthole.

 

[WizardHawk]

FYI, it's not hard to use the quote tags.

Just put (quote) at the start and (/quote) at the end. Except use the brackets instead. Then you can break up the little sections into quotes, reply under them and people can read it easier and it also helps with them wanting to reply.

ya what the hell is going on with that post?

I know right?

Didn't read it as I don't have time, but when I get home I'll be sure clean up his post and point out (once again) where he is wrong and off base AND I'll use quotes.

 

[WizardHawk]

Now that I've shown how idiotic your points are you can go back to think up more childish come backs.

Maybe it's just because this is the dead season and most of the better debaters are on hiatus, but I'm liking what you are laying down these days. Well known I like a good retard battle and boy is this awash with it.

Why would you complain about penalties if it didn't ( in your opinion) affect wins? You said this in an older post "I'm glad the discipline is back on this team". Did you complain about the Seahawks leading the league in penalties ( if you did you are an idiot).?

So now my saying I never specifically mentioned wins/losses as the reason why I do not like all of the penalties on our team means I don't believe they actually add to those? Is this really all you have?

Do penalties have an impact on wins/losses? Of course they can, and I can specifically point out at least 2 games in each of the last 3 seasons where penalties alone were the story. Does that mean this has to be the only reason someone doesn't like them? Well, I'll leave that as a rhetorical question.

No, I don't like all of the penalties the Seahawks get either, but the only ones that I get pissed about are the same ones the Huskies were notorious for and the Seahawks don't get anywhere near as many of those. Giacomini was always good for a personal foul every game and I yelled at every one of them. UW has to lead all of football in dumb penalties and drive killing penalties. Forced to punt because the other team beats you on defense or even a player drops a ball and you move on to the next series. Lose out on 3 or 4 series in a row purely because guys can't stay set on the line, QB can't see the clock running down, personal fouls, etc and it gets old quick. It's frustrating at hell.

Seahawks? They lead the NFL in penalties, but the ONLY single category they lead in is PI's and I don't think most of our base has a problem with them unless we are getting flagged for ones the other team isn't. They are the nature of how this team plays. Not all PI's or holding calls are bad to begin with. There are more than half a dozen categories where Seattle had the fewest penalties and some of them are the same ones UW is bad with.

You are once again dead in the water and drawing at straws out of desperation or a need for attention?

If you think Sark was a good coach (which is obvious to anyone whos read your posts that you don't ) then why would you say "Sark can recruit, but can he get the most out of them and can he run a team of young men with the discipline needed to ensure they represent your university the way they should? He didn't do that for us, that's for sure." To me that's saying he's not a good coach just a good recruiter.
" He just doesn't push the fundamentals". So you don't say he's not a good coach but he doesn;t push the fundamentals? Does a "good coach" do that? LOL
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Pretty sure that is not what you say about a "good coach". but keep telling me you didn;t say he wasn't.lol
The fact that you bring up how much more disciplined the previous coaches team was and ignoring the fact that his team went 0-9 doesn;t make your argument any better.

I see you are once again all over the map with assumptions and bad logic substituted for what people actually say and/or mean. And that's sad as I have really really tried to give you the 3rd grade easy version and yet here you are again.

Sark runs a great offense and has some outstanding schemes. He has an eye for developing talent within those schemes. He came into a program on the ropes and got kids, fans, students, and staff alike to buy back in while he turned the ship around. His first two years I don't think fans had any real criticism of him outside of Holt and the lackluster defense. Well, some insisted he was letting too much home grown talent leave, but he was getting enough talent from Cali to make up for it IMO. And I have always said that.

Problem is we ignored the penalties and sloppy stuff the first couple of seasons because it was a rebuilding effort and you expect some things to take time. Problem is it NEVER got any better. His last season UW was the worst in all of D1 in penalties.

You forgot where I also mentioned his penchant for making risky play calls that have lost us games. I'm entitled to be critical of those and it's reasonable to expect he might continue that moving forward.

So yeah, he is a good coach that did many great things. Just getting the team back to a steady 7 wins was something a couple of his predecessors couldn't. How you don't understand that we also contend there are other areas he really really needs to grow in if he is to ever be called a great coach is beyond me.

And we are all giddy is a school girl over our current HC because he doesn't have ANY of those bad habbits. He has shown he has EVERYTHING Sark didn't over his tenure. Deal with it.

"he's the second coming" . He is going to surpass McKay" I post what you say and you post what you think we are thinking. So who's making stuff up?

So now you can't tell the difference between sarcasm put in a question form and someone making a blanket statement about what others are thinking. I mean, are you serious here? lol

You ignored the whole point that not one of you were praising Sark 3 months ago and now a couple of you chuckleheads are vociferously defending him with a very different tone.

Wild play calls? LOL. But you're jumping for joy that Peterson is there. He's never run any "wild plays" right? LOL.

I've seen a couple of Petersen's trick plays go badly for them and when they happen for us I'm sure I won't be happy. Why don't you look up Sark's own words on some of his gambles? He has admitted them costing them several games over his tenure. You live with that having a young coach, but when he does it again you can't help but . If Petersen makes those bold plays at really stupid times and costs us games I'll be the first one up here complaining about it.

What part of this is confusing you again? lol

Usually when any team loses it's some stupid penalty ( or multiple) or some turnovers. You think thats just his ( Sarks) teams?

This is just a special kind of stupid. No polite way to put it. UW ended up the season at 115th in average penalties a game at 7.4 and 16th in total yards per game at 66.8.

Are you really going to tell me that it's just normal to be at the bottom of all of football?


As an aside, when the rumors of UW going after Mora were flying around ask UW fans what my thought on that was. I said I didn't want him because his teams are just as bad as Sarks at discipline and watched that cost them games.

Now you can question whether or not a focus on penalties is warranted or not, but trying to suggest it is somehow made up after Sark has left, or is inconsistent with anything else is pointless.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/4109896-post36.html
I've been talking about what I see as the qualities I want out of a coach for a very long time. If you really want to challenge me to go back to when Sark first came and gave us those lovely penalties then I'm sorry as those archives off of CBS are long gone, but I've been ganging that drum for years.

So now let's see if you have more distortions and distractions to substitute for actual thoughtful interaction.

 

[WhiteMamba]

 

[WizardHawk]

lol, pretty sure you stopped reading any of my battle posts back at CBS didn't you? Or at least you should have. I mean I'm not sure, but I doubt I'd have read any of my exchanges with smiles if it was someone else who posted them. Hell I skip any post more than a couple of paragraphs long unless it's directed at me. Don't you?

 

[WhiteMamba]

lol, pretty sure you stopped reading any of my battle posts back at CBS didn't you? Or at least you should have. I mean I'm not sure, but I doubt I'd have read any of my exchanges with smiles if it was someone else who posted them. Hell I skip any post more than a couple of paragraphs long unless it's directed at me. Don't you?

ya usually. But I almost always read every word of the PAC thread.

even jahii b4 he left us.

 

[WizardHawk]

ya usually. But I almost always read every word of the PAC thread.

even jahii b4 he left us.

Well I guess it's the dead season so there isn't much else, but why would you read the rabble between your hated rival and a group that insists it is far too above us to waste time with us and then ties up 4 pages trying to quibble over something that betrays that assertion?

 

[WhiteMamba]

Well I guess it's the dead season so there isn't much else, but why would you read the rabble between your hated rival and a group that insists it is far too above us to waste time with us and then ties up 4 pages trying to quibble over something that betrays that assertion?

Bcuz I am insane...

 

[mcnabb7542]

Bcuz I am insane...

Wiz missed his calling, he should've been a lawyer....

 

[trojanfan12]

Wiz missed his calling, he should've been a lawyer....

He'd win every case by simply boring the opposition to death.

 

[socaljim242]

Maybe it's just because this is the dead season and most of the better debaters are on hiatus, but I'm liking what you are laying down these days. Well known I like a good retard battle and boy is this awash with it.


So now my saying I never specifically mentioned wins/losses as the reason why I do not like all of the penalties on our team means I don't believe they actually add to those? Is this really all you have?

Do penalties have an impact on wins/losses? Of course they can, and I can specifically point out at least 2 games in each of the last 3 seasons where penalties alone were the story. Does that mean this has to be the only reason someone doesn't like them? Well, I'll leave that as a rhetorical question.

No, I don't like all of the penalties the Seahawks get either, but the only ones that I get pissed about are the same ones the Huskies were notorious for and the Seahawks don't get anywhere near as many of those. Giacomini was always good for a personal foul every game and I yelled at every one of them. UW has to lead all of football in dumb penalties and drive killing penalties. Forced to punt because the other team beats you on defense or even a player drops a ball and you move on to the next series. Lose out on 3 or 4 series in a row purely because guys can't stay set on the line, QB can't see the clock running down, personal fouls, etc and it gets old quick. It's frustrating at hell.

Seahawks? They lead the NFL in penalties, but the ONLY single category they lead in is PI's and I don't think most of our base has a problem with them unless we are getting flagged for ones the other team isn't. They are the nature of how this team plays. Not all PI's or holding calls are bad to begin with. There are more than half a dozen categories where Seattle had the fewest penalties and some of them are the same ones UW is bad with.

You are once again dead in the water and drawing at straws out of desperation or a need for attention?


I see you are once again all over the map with assumptions and bad logic substituted for what people actually say and/or mean. And that's sad as I have really really tried to give you the 3rd grade easy version and yet here you are again.

Sark runs a great offense and has some outstanding schemes. He has an eye for developing talent within those schemes. He came into a program on the ropes and got kids, fans, students, and staff alike to buy back in while he turned the ship around. His first two years I don't think fans had any real criticism of him outside of Holt and the lackluster defense. Well, some insisted he was letting too much home grown talent leave, but he was getting enough talent from Cali to make up for it IMO. And I have always said that.

Problem is we ignored the penalties and sloppy stuff the first couple of seasons because it was a rebuilding effort and you expect some things to take time. Problem is it NEVER got any better. His last season UW was the worst in all of D1 in penalties.

You forgot where I also mentioned his penchant for making risky play calls that have lost us games. I'm entitled to be critical of those and it's reasonable to expect he might continue that moving forward.

So yeah, he is a good coach that did many great things. Just getting the team back to a steady 7 wins was something a couple of his predecessors couldn't. How you don't understand that we also contend there are other areas he really really needs to grow in if he is to ever be called a great coach is beyond me.

And we are all giddy is a school girl over our current HC because he doesn't have ANY of those bad habbits. He has shown he has EVERYTHING Sark didn't over his tenure. Deal with it.


So now you can't tell the difference between sarcasm put in a question form and someone making a blanket statement about what others are thinking. I mean, are you serious here? lol

You ignored the whole point that not one of you were praising Sark 3 months ago and now a couple of you chuckleheads are vociferously defending him with a very different tone.


I've seen a couple of Petersen's trick plays go badly for them and when they happen for us I'm sure I won't be happy. Why don't you look up Sark's own words on some of his gambles? He has admitted them costing them several games over his tenure. You live with that having a young coach, but when he does it again you can't help but . If Petersen makes those bold plays at really stupid times and costs us games I'll be the first one up here complaining about it.

What part of this is confusing you again? lol


This is just a special kind of stupid. No polite way to put it. UW ended up the season at 115th in average penalties a game at 7.4 and 16th in total yards per game at 66.8.

Are you really going to tell me that it's just normal to be at the bottom of all of football?


As an aside, when the rumors of UW going after Mora were flying around ask UW fans what my thought on that was. I said I didn't want him because his teams are just as bad as Sarks at discipline and watched that cost them games.

Now you can question whether or not a focus on penalties is warranted or not, but trying to suggest it is somehow made up after Sark has left, or is inconsistent with anything else is pointless.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/4109896-post36.html
I've been talking about what I see as the qualities I want out of a coach for a very long time. If you really want to challenge me to go back to when Sark first came and gave us those lovely penalties then I'm sorry as those archives off of CBS are long gone, but I've been ganging that drum for years.

So now let's see if you have more distortions and distractions to substitute for actual thoughtful interaction.

Good Lord , reading your drivel is better than taking Ambien.

All that crap you wrote and You say you never said Sark is a bad coach ( yeah we all believe you think he's a good coach). Yet you go on and on about his bad play calling which cost you games , his lack of teaching fundamentals and his undisciplined teams which cost you games. What in hell does it take for someone to be a bad coach? You obviously think he's a bad coach but you're too much of a wuss to put it down in case he actually wins at USC. That is the glaring truth behind your pointless rant. Good luck with that.

 

[WizardHawk]

Good Lord , reading your drivel is better than taking Ambien.

All that crap you wrote and You say you never said Sark is a bad coach ( yeah we all believe you think he's a good coach). Yet you go on and on about his bad play calling which cost you games , his lack of teaching fundamentals and his undisciplined teams which cost you games. What in hell does it take for someone to be a bad coach? You obviously think he's a bad coach but you're too much of a wuss to put it down in case he actually wins at USC. That is the glaring truth behind your pointless rant. Good luck with that.

I love how you fail to use quotes and write a bunch of nonsense, and then jump on me for responding to it.

You sir fail to see the difference between a good coach , and a great coach. Sark is the former and at this time is nowhere near the latter. Is that easy enough for you to grasp?

You are NOT going to 'get me' as you have been trying to do because there is nothing to get me on.

Petersen? Right now should be considered a good coach with the potential to be great. He did great things at BSU, but that's a mid-major. If he brings the same great things he did there and adds recruiting at the major level he has a chance of being great.

Sark did good things at UW and had plenty of areas that great coaches have, but the things mentioned prevent him from being called great right now.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[WizardHawk]

He'd win every case by simply boring the opposition to death.

At least I don't argue for 3 pages and when I've lost turn and claim the opposition is so beneath me that there is no need to ever talk to them.

Whatever makes you feel better about losing is fine by me.

 

[trojanfan12]

At least I don't argue for 3 pages and when I've lost turn and claim the opposition is so beneath me that there is no need to ever talk to them.

Whatever makes you feel better about losing is fine by me.

Your tact never changes. Someone disagrees with you, you respond with a wall of boring drivel. When that gets responded to, you re-post the same thing using more words, being even more boring and then claiming "you won". It's kind of sad that you put so much stock in "winning" an internet board discussion.

I responded to your posts, you did what you do, I became bored with you and moved on.

And no, your program is nowhere near important enough for me to continue to bore myself by reading your walls of text.

So as always:

 

[socaljim242]

I love how you fail to use quotes and write a bunch of nonsense, and then jump on me for responding to it.

You sir fail to see the difference between a good coach , and a great coach. Sark is the former and at this time is nowhere near the latter. Is that easy enough for you to grasp?

You are NOT going to 'get me' as you have been trying to do because there is nothing to get me on.

Petersen? Right now should be considered a good coach with the potential to be great. He did great things at BSU, but that's a mid-major. If he brings the same great things he did there and adds recruiting at the major level he has a chance of being great.

Sark did good things at UW and had plenty of areas that great coaches have, but the things mentioned prevent him from being called great right now.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

I hit the nail on the head didn't I. You're afraid to say you think he's a bad coach because what he might do at USC. So you tell us his team lacked fundamental, was undisciplined and he called bad risky plays but throw in "but he's a good coach" .LOL. .So yeah, I don't know how to use the quote thing yet but I have been here long enough to see that people share my observation that you write novels when a paragraph will do