THE PAC 12 THREAD v.5

[TheLonestarDUCK]

Ofcourse if it was a tSEC or any Florida school, this would be swept under the rug by the local police.

But The "bitch set us up" defense...seriously???

Helfrich appeared to have cleaned up the program from the swamp scum levels Kelly had on his rosters, but an analysis of his time there says it didn't change all that much.

• DE Torrodney Prevot suspended after allegedly assaulting a former UO female student-athlete
• DL Austin Maloata kicked off the team following arrest for assault and DUI
• WR Darren Carrington accused of breaking a man's arm in late October
• DE Eddie Heard suspended indefinitely after assault arrest
• TE Pharaoh Brown accused of being involved in three past cases of violence

Oregon is not even in the top 25 of arrests and is in bottom half of the Fulmer Cup in the conference. You continue to spew Oregon news and rarely post about your own team. You have to be the most obsessed person in regards to another program on the hoop. Out of your 12k+ posts over half is about the program you obsess about. You have mentioned Kelly and thugs hundreds of times yet it doesn't compare to the Neweasel years at UW, but you haven't mentioned that once - obsess much????

Top 25 college football teams by arrests over the past five years yields a surprising No. 1

 

[WizardHawk]

If it is any consolation for the Cougars, they have not had a player arrested in the past 11 months, so they have that streak to look positively upon.

Was from '15. That streak didn't last long now did it? Cougs had like 3 major arrests this last year with all that fighting they do. Broke that dudes face in and shit. Guess they are working hard at staying #1. Love the initiative.

 

[Destroydacre]

I'm feeling the game being something like 21-6 ish. I think Bama scores at least once on a turnover given their history combined with how Browning is under extreme pressure. I think he throws a pick 6 at some point. And bama probably gets another score on a short field due to another turnover or special teams gaff. I think our defense holds their offense down much of the game, but they have a distinct size and ability advantage. I'm sure we will break out a few big plays here and there and maybe get close enough for a couple of field goals and outside of that I expect to see a lot of punts.

Obviously I hope I'm wrong, but that's more or less what I expect to see. Really as long as they don't get blown out by 30 I'll be fine with it. Didn't expect this team to be this far this soon into Petersen's reign here. Going to take at least another couple years to build the depth you need to really compete at that level. None of the kids he has brought in are upperclassmen yet, more or less are we stacked in depth. This year was a huge step forward and as long as you are moving forward you can't be upset with the results.

I can't see Washington being held to 6. I think the Huskies will score in the teens at least and could get into the 20's if they are on their game. But I do agree that Alabama's defense worries me. I expect Bama to win, but I do think the Huskies will be able to keep the score close. Maybe a 27-17 type game. I would love if Washington has the ball late in the 4th with a chance to drive down the field and win, but that may be a bit too optimistic. I guess we'll find out.

 

[socaljim242]

ASU also gave UW fits with their blitzes and scheme, but it's not always that simple in college. Teams do whatever they are best at. I don't think Bama's D is going to do things differently than they always do.

What makes Petersen so dangerous with a month or more to plan is his ability to adapt and implement game plans. You can bet they have spent a bunch of this time working on shoring up whatever their own perception of their weakness is/was that others might have exploited.
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See that's what is going to make it tough for Washington. You can'y really shore up getting out athleted, if the team you're playing has even more of what USC used to exploit Washington. USC was just bigger faster and had the athletes to deal with the Husky Wrs and RBs, it wasn't some wild scheme that Washington never saw before. USC just has more NFL type talent than teams the Huskys have played. Alabama has next next level talent on the line , LBs and DBs and by next level I dont mean practice squad type future NFL guys. I know Peterson is a great coach and has had teams with less talent play and beat bigger badder opponents but unless the Huskys channel A&M in the Manzel years I don't know how the Huskys can score enough to win. I don't expect Bama to go past 28 on the Washington D because they don't really go crazy trying to score a lot, they never need that much and they have a freshman QB. I just dont think Wash can score more than that. If magic can happen and the Huskys score one more TD than I think and if Alabama cant score one TD we might be in the 21-14 range late and then sphincters get tight and Alabama is playing a team with nothing to lose and then we can see what Peterson can dial up. That would be entertaining.

 

[socaljim242]

This has made me think of something.....

Hypothetical situation: What would prevent alumni from one school paying a woman or two at another school to file charges against a star player or two so they would be unavailable for a big game?

Now I realize if it's an SEC team they'd laugh it off and the players play. But aside from that...

I don't remember the exact details but I think I remember Joe McKnight getting in trouble because his gf/ baby mama got a car and it was in her bosses name because he put down the down payment or something and he had also registered Joe McKnight.com all while Joe was playing for USC. People were starting to say he/she got benifits from a booster.Then it was found out the boss was a Washington grad.

 

[blazer prophet]

I don't remember the exact details but I think I remember Joe McKnight getting in trouble because his gf/ baby mama got a car and it was in her bosses name because he put down the down payment or something and he had also registered Joe McKnight.com all while Joe was playing for USC. People were starting to say he/she got benifits from a booster.Then it was found out the boss was a Washington grad.

Makes total sense.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Oregon is not even in the top 25 of arrests and is in bottom half of the Fulmer Cup in the conference. You continue to spew Oregon news and rarely post about your own team. You have to be the most obsessed person in regards to another program on the hoop. Out of your 12k+ posts over half is about the program you obsess about. You have mentioned Kelly and thugs hundreds of times yet it doesn't compare to the Neweasel years at UW, but you haven't mentioned that once - obsess much????

Top 25 college football teams by arrests over the past five years yields a surprising No. 1

Damn, 11 of the top 25 teams are from the SEC!!!

 

[blazer prophet]

Damn, 11 of the top 25 teams are from the SEC.

I know. A real shock to the system.

 

[WizardHawk]

See that's what is going to make it tough for Washington. You can'y really shore up getting out athleted, if the team you're playing has even more of what USC used to exploit Washington. USC was just bigger faster and had the athletes to deal with the Husky Wrs and RBs, it wasn't some wild scheme that Washington never saw before. USC just has more NFL type talent than teams the Huskys have played. Alabama has next next level talent on the line , LBs and DBs and by next level I dont mean practice squad type future NFL guys. I know Peterson is a great coach and has had teams with less talent play and beat bigger badder opponents but unless the Huskys channel A&M in the Manzel years I don't know how the Huskys can score enough to win. I don't expect Bama to go past 28 on the Washington D because they don't really go crazy trying to score a lot, they never need that much and they have a freshman QB. I just dont think Wash can score more than that. If magic can happen and the Huskys score one more TD than I think and if Alabama cant score one TD we might be in the 21-14 range late and then sphincters get tight and Alabama is playing a team with nothing to lose and then we can see what Peterson can dial up. That would be entertaining.

Yes, you can very much scheme around athleticism. That's what OC's do. Max protect packages, extra TE in pass protection, RB pass blocking, etc. They have done quite a bit of different things against the different defenses they have seen this year. I'm sure they will have a game plan for dealing with that front 7. I already said I don't think it will be enough, but saying they can't do things to overcome it is silly. I doubt they will run the ball all that well and they punt quite a bit, but Bama doesn't have a secondary on the same level as USC. If Browning can get ANY kind of time back there expect Ross to burn them at least a few times. It will probably be more McClatcher or Pettis though as I expect a double team on Ross.

And you keep acting like UW/USC was just like USC/Bama. That was not a blow out game on that level. If Victor hadn't gone out injured that second half is a whole different game. For whatever reason our coaches forgot about the run and didn't stick to it. They were very clear acknowledging that. I really don't think that was our OC's best day at the office. And it was maybe Brownings worst performance. Arizona and Utah actually had better days on defense than USC did in terms of rush, but Browning just wasn't quite as bad and a few things bounced their way that didn't in that one. Still, USC's last two scores were purely picking on Victor's replacement and Beavers has been money in every game since.

Emotions are always an x-factor at this level of football. UW literally has nothing to lose. Playing with house money. Bama has all of the pressure squarely on their shoulders and know full well what it's like to lose that first game. We know that. They know that. Petersen is likely going to have a fairly conservative game plan and be content with punting a lot. He will use a trick play or two, no doubt. It's what he does. But whatever passing they do should be high percentage type throws or going after one of our speedsters if they break away and he has time. This would be an upset, but I don't think it's nearly as far fetched as some of you appear to believe it to be.

 

[blazer prophet]

And you keep acting like UW/USC was just like USC/Bama. That was not a blow out game on that level.

With respect, I disagree. I watched that game and it could have been a 50 point blowout. USC's O-Line, D-Line and LB's were dominant. And Alabama's are better than USC's. Can UW win? Sure, anything is possible in the NCAA. But unless they know a way, aside from turnovers, to get substantially better on both lines and with their LB's, they will have a long night. That said, Peterson is a very good coach and understands how a David can beat a Goliath so it could be a really interesting game.

Naw.

 

[socaljim242]

Yes, you can very much scheme around athleticism. That's what OC's do. Max protect packages, extra TE in pass protection, RB pass blocking, etc. They have done quite a bit of different things against the different defenses they have seen this year. I'm sure they will have a game plan for dealing with that front 7. I already said I don't think it will be enough, but saying they can't do things to overcome it is silly. I doubt they will run the ball all that well and they punt quite a bit, but Bama doesn't have a secondary on the same level as USC. If Browning can get ANY kind of time back there expect Ross to burn them at least a few times. It will probably be more McClatcher or Pettis though as I expect a double team on Ross.

And you keep acting like UW/USC was just like USC/Bama. That was not a blow out game on that level. If Victor hadn't gone out injured that second half is a whole different game. For whatever reason our coaches forgot about the run and didn't stick to it. They were very clear acknowledging that. I really don't think that was our OC's best day at the office. And it was maybe Brownings worst performance. Arizona and Utah actually had better days on defense than USC did in terms of rush, but Browning just wasn't quite as bad and a few things bounced their way that didn't in that one. Still, USC's last two scores were purely picking on Victor's replacement and Beavers has been money in every game since.

Emotions are always an x-factor at this level of football. UW literally has nothing to lose. Playing with house money. Bama has all of the pressure squarely on their shoulders and know full well what it's like to lose that first game. We know that. They know that. Petersen is likely going to have a fairly conservative game plan and be content with punting a lot. He will use a trick play or two, no doubt. It's what he does. But whatever passing they do should be high percentage type throws or going after one of our speedsters if they break away and he has time. This would be an upset, but I don't think it's nearly as far fetched as some of you appear to believe it to be.

Man you can't scheme against Bama that easy.You can't max protect and get anything done offensively. You put in an extra TE and keep in a RB and then what? You're going to send out one or two less WRs and try and get a completion against 5* CBs and safetys? How do you think they get all their turnovers. Alabama has won what three championships in four years or something like that? You can hope for them to have a bad game but dont fool yourself, they have players on the D line that are 5* beasts that will not be stopped by scheme and LBs who run as fast as the Washington running backs. Alabama has had the top recruiting class something like six out of seven years. Usc had the other. And thats why USC beat Washington. Because they have some NFL talent , more than any team in the PAC and finally played to their potential. One Victor was not changing that game . I could say two slips , one by a receiver and one by Adoree and Washington isn't even close by half time. But you play with who you have and everyone but maybe some Husky fans could tell that victory wasn't a fluke, it was talent playing to their potential. It's football so many factors involved but
the talent gap will be even more evident than it was in the USC game which was not huge but clearly visible.

 

[WizardHawk]

With respect, I disagree. I watched that game and it could have been a 50 point blowout. USC's O-Line, D-Line and LB's were dominant. And Alabama's are better than USC's. Can UW win? Sure, anything is possible in the NCAA. But unless they know a way, aside from turnovers, to get substantially better on both lines and with their LB's, they will have a long night. That said, Peterson is a very good coach and understands how a David can beat a Goliath so it could be a really interesting game.

Naw.

Could have been 50 points? I mean it wasn't even close to that so yeah, um no. Worst game Browning had, abandoned the run, they exploited the backup ILB after Victor went down and used that to pull away in the 4th.

How is a game decided by 13 points nearly a 50 point loss?

 

[blazer prophet]

Could have been 50 points? I mean it wasn't even close to that so yeah, um no. Worst game Browning had, abandoned the run, they exploited the backup ILB after Victor went down and used that to pull away in the 4th.

How is a game decided by 13 points nearly a 50 point loss?

Worst game Browning had? He wasn't too good in the conference title game- 9/24 118 yards. Think that gets it done against 'Bama?

 

[socaljim242]

Could have been 50 points? I mean it wasn't even close to that so yeah, um no. Worst game Browning had, abandoned the run, they exploited the backup ILB after Victor went down and used that to pull away in the 4th.

How is a game decided by 13 points nearly a 50 point loss?

The more experienced QB playing at home had his worst day. It's because he played the best defense he had seen who pressured him all night and had CBs who could play with the Husky WRs.. It's not that hard to figure out. And the bama defense is wayyy better than USCs in pretty much every spot. I would love for you guys to win but lots of things have to happen and bama has to play out of character.

 

[WizardHawk]

Man you can't scheme against Bama that easy.You can't max protect and get anything done offensively. You put in an extra TE and keep in a RB and then what? You're going to send out one or two less WRs and try and get a completion against 5* CBs and safetys? How do you think they get all their turnovers. Alabama has won what three championships in four years or something like that? You can hope for them to have a bad game but dont fool yourself, they have players on the D line that are 5* beasts that will not be stopped by scheme and LBs who run as fast as the Washington running backs. Alabama has had the top recruiting class something like six out of seven years. Usc had the other. And thats why USC beat Washington. Because they have some NFL talent , more than any team in the PAC and finally played to their potential. One Victor was not changing that game . I could say two slips , one by a receiver and one by Adoree and Washington isn't even close by half time. But you play with who you have and everyone but maybe some Husky fans could tell that victory wasn't a fluke, it was talent playing to their potential. It's football so many factors involved but
the talent gap will be even more evident than it was in the USC game which was not huge but clearly visible.

Victor also was out the first half against Oregon last year due to targeting the prior game. Entirely different game with him in. And that's not the only example of his impact. He's a very special player in the heart of that defense. Beavers has adjusted and is doing much better, but Victor's loss is not, was not a minor thing.

That's one of the reasons people are surprised UW is this far this fast. They have some outstanding players, but really don't have the depth you need to play against these higher teams. Petersen is only in year 3 and doesn't have his guys in at every level yet. Beavers is a RS Freshman. We don't have a lot of upperclassmen playing. Couple of spots where an injury just kills them dead. Bama, OSU, etc have serious depth.

 

[blazer prophet]

Victor also was out the first half against Oregon last year due to targeting the prior game. Entirely different game with him in. And that's not the only example of his impact. He's a very special player in the heart of that defense. Beavers has adjusted and is doing much better, but Victor's loss is not, was not a minor thing.

That's one of the reasons people are surprised UW is this far this fast. They have some outstanding players, but really don't have the depth you need to play against these higher teams. Petersen is only in year 3 and doesn't have his guys in at every level yet. Beavers is a RS Freshman. We don't have a lot of upperclassmen playing. Couple of spots where an injury just kills them dead. Bama, OSU, etc have serious depth.

True. I think UW will be a 10 win team for several years as players get better and they get more depth.

 

[WizardHawk]

The more experienced QB playing at home had his worst day. It's because he played the best defense he had seen who pressured him all night and had CBs who could play with the Husky WRs.. It's not that hard to figure out.

Negative. Just not statistically correct, but then you are flat out obsessed with that USC/UW game and that has been clear the last month.

Zona and Utah both were in that backfield a ton in those games.

Look, I said my prediction for this game and UW isn't on the winning side of it. I don't think I can be more clear, and yet here we are with more chest thumping over a game a month ago.

 

[socaljim242]

Victor also was out the first half against Oregon last year due to targeting the prior game. Entirely different game with him in. And that's not the only example of his impact. He's a very special player in the heart of that defense. Beavers has adjusted and is doing much better, but Victor's loss is not, was not a minor thing.

That's one of the reasons people are surprised UW is this far this fast. They have some outstanding players, but really don't have the depth you need to play against these higher teams. Petersen is only in year 3 and doesn't have his guys in at every level yet. Beavers is a RS Freshman. We don't have a lot of upperclassmen playing. Couple of spots where an injury just kills them dead. Bama, OSU, etc have serious depth.

If one player makes that much of a difference then your defense isn't that good. Maybe it plays good as a unit but one player isn't making Bamas defense good. You want to know about a good defense? USC one year couldn't start Clay Mathews Jr because Cushing and Malauga and Fili Moala were starters.

 

[socaljim242]

Negative. Just not statistically correct, but then you are flat out obsessed with that USC/UW game and that has been clear the last month.

Zona and Utah both were in that backfield a ton in those games.

Look, I said my prediction for this game and UW isn't on the winning side of it. I don't think I can be more clear, and yet here we are with more chest thumping over a game a month ago.

Maybe because its the team that beat Washington. Zona and Utah might have been in the backfield in those games but they dont have Adoree and Biggie Marshall to play the WRs. It's the whole defense that gets it done. Utah and Zona might have a few athletes to give Washington trouble but USC had many more.

 

[WizardHawk]

True. I think UW will be a 10 win team for several years as players get better and they get more depth.

That remains to be seen. We were the beneficiary of a down year in the North division this year as well. Caught Stanford off guard, ducks in the drink, Cal not really ready to get on the porch with the big dogs, Cougs shot themselves early and just weren't ready to really fight us in the AC.

Ducks should come at least somewhat back and be a tougher out, I don't expect Stanford to be down long, and Leach has something brewing over there.

Petersen has impressed so far and his classes have been solid. I do think he will be competitive year after year, but crazy things happen in college football. I'm not taking any of it for granted.