The NBA rookies Thread

[bksballer89]

So what stats do you want to use for player efficiency?

You guys do realise that's not how they rank rookies, right?

Major stats for a PG IMO would be FG%, TO, & assist to turnover ratio

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Major stats for a PG IMO would be FG%, TO, & assist to turnover ratio

So averaging a near triple-double means jack?

Russell Westbrook was 38th in Assists per Turnover and 23rd in FG% amongst PGs ALONE and he still won MVP. Why?

 

[bksballer89]

So averaging a near triple-double means jack?

Russell Westbrook was 38th in Assists per Turnover and 23rd in FG% amongst PGs ALONE and he still won MVP. Why?

There is more to basketball than points, rebounds, and assist......

 

[bksballer89]

Hey if you're ok with anyone on your team shooting 34% from the field then more power to you.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

There is more to basketball than points, rebounds, and assist......

Again
38th amongst point guards in assist/turnovers
23rd in FG%

1st round playoff exit with only one win

MVP

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Hey if you're ok with anyone on your team shooting 34% from the field then more power to you.

If he dishes out 15 assists on that same night, I don't think there's a single person out there that would care.

 

[bksballer89]

If you want to see how efficient look for a rookie PG, look at Ben Simmons.

 

[bksballer89]

If he dishes out 15 assists on that same night, I don't think there's a single person out there that would care.

Sure.

He dished out 13 assists vs New Orleans and the team was -24 with him on the floor. Do you know how hard that is to do?

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

If you want to see how efficient look for a rookie PG, look at Ben Simmons.

Ok, amongst rookies:

16th in True shooting %
11th in Turnovers

The two MAJOR stats for a PG that mattered most.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Sure.

He dished out 13 assists vs New Orleans and the team was -24 with him on the floor. Do you know how hard that is to do?

Lebron was -31 in a loss against Orlando a couple of days ago. He only had 2 assists.

Which performance was worse?

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

 

[tlance]

Can YOU? He said Lonzo would do well in PER and I corrected him.

I never looked at Ball's PER. I just said it was BS.

You are arguing with me implying that his efficiency numbers are good. THey aren't by any measure.

Just admit that you misread my original post and move on. You aren't even saying anything. Just arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[tlance]

So averaging a near triple-double means jack?

Russell Westbrook was 38th in Assists per Turnover and 23rd in FG% amongst PGs ALONE and he still won MVP. Why?

Becuase the average person does not understand the game of basketball well enough to realize how inefficient he was.

Again though, nobody said a word about Lonzo's counting stats. I just said his efficiency would be bad (which you seem to agree with) and you starting throwing a hissy fit.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Becuase the average person does not understand the game of basketball well enough to realize how inefficient he was.

So why did they give him the Most VALUABLE Player award if he was so inefficient?

 

[bksballer89]

@Mecca is the only female poster on SportsHoopla worth debating basketball with

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I never looked at Ball's PER. I just said it was BS.

You are arguing with me implying that his efficiency numbers are good. THey aren't by any measure.

Just admit that you misread my original post and move on. You aren't even saying anything. Just arguing for the sake of arguing.

So if PER is bullshit, what efficiency stats do we look at? Assist/turnover ratio? FG%?

 

[tlance]

So why did they give him the Most VALUABLE Player award if he was so inefficient?

LOL. I answered that already.

MVP is about the most outstanding stat line or the most outstanding performer more than anything else.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

@Mecca is the only female poster on SportsHoopla worth debating basketball with

LOL

Because I keep embarrassing you. I've burned you on literally every bit of bullshit you post.

 

[tlance]

So if PER is bullshit, what efficiency stats do we look at? Assist/turnover ratio? FG%?

You look at all of them. THere is no one perfect measure. PER does not measure efficiency very well though.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

LOL. I answered that already.

MVP is about the most outstanding stat line or the most outstanding performer more than anything else.

In which case Kobe would have 3 MVPs and Steve Nash none.