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[shopson67]

Just makes me wonder about Quick. If he is our No 1 at WR liked he looked before his injury than this is what I would like us to do at 10.

Quick is also a free agent next year. Lots of things to consider...

 

[Vitamike]

Quick is also a free agent next year. Lots of things to consider...

Good point Shops!

A very good reason to go with Cooper or White at No. 10.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Good point Shops!

A very good reason to go with Cooper or White at No. 10.

ill be surprised if either one of them is still there but its a no brainer if they are. Parker from Louisville is right there to and probably a better pick then oline at 10. or top CB.

 

[SJ76]

Zeke is stalking me with his HOMO button.


Thanks.. Really

 

[Smed55]

Well I have to disagree with taking Cooper/White! It just makes no sense, I think a lot of you are blinded by the sexy skill position pick!
I think our WR Corp is pretty good as it is, if you want to take a WR, take him very late. Over the past 10 drafts 38 WR's have been taken, I think 7 have made it to the Super Bowl, one of them (Harvin) was traded to get there! And of those 7 Ted Ginn, Crabtree,Meacham and Harvin aren't even that good! than, not even half of those 38 have even made it to the playoffs!

There were some stud WR's taken in the first round, Calvin Johnson, Bryant,AJ Green, J. jones, Fitzeralds, but overall the rest are just average to maybe good WR's. Of the studs only Fitz has helped take his team anywhere.

San Francisco took 2 Olineman in the first round in 2010, both started and are still starting, they also took Staley in first round of 2007, they had a pretty good oline. Jets took 2 Olineman in round 1 in 2006, freguson/Mangold started from day one and played many years!

Yes WR is sexy pick, oline is boring pick, but that's what we need, we don't "need" another WR that "maybe is average to good. Is Cooper/White as good as Calvin, Fitz, Dez, Green, or Jones, I don't think so, so we would be getting a good WR that is going to do how much better than anyone we have out there now?

Oline, oline, oline oline, I don't care if we pick oline with every pick. If we pick at least 4 and 2 start right away, we will be so far ahead of last year with Robinson doing well and Saffold and Barksdale and two rookies that play at least average! Some of you are to worried about having to many first and second year players starting, well The Jets and SF proved it is possible. Coaches do their homework there is no reason why we can't have 2 rookies that can step right in! It makes more sense than thinking a WR is going to help us improve that much?

 

[27mtrcougar]

Well I have to disagree with taking Cooper/White! It just makes no sense, I think a lot of you are blinded by the sexy skill position pick!
I think our WR Corp is pretty good as it is, if you want to take a WR, take him very late. Over the past 10 drafts 38 WR's have been taken, I think 7 have made it to the Super Bowl, one of them (Harvin) was traded to get there! And of those 7 Ted Ginn, Crabtree,Meacham and Harvin aren't even that good! than, not even half of those 38 have even made it to the playoffs!

There were some stud WR's taken in the first round, Calvin Johnson, Bryant,AJ Green, J. jones, Fitzeralds, but overall the rest are just average to maybe good WR's. Of the studs only Fitz has helped take his team anywhere.

San Francisco took 2 Olineman in the first round in 2010, both started and are still starting, they also took Staley in first round of 2007, they had a pretty good oline. Jets took 2 Olineman in round 1 in 2006, freguson/Mangold started from day one and played many years!

Yes WR is sexy pick, oline is boring pick, but that's what we need, we don't "need" another WR that "maybe is average to good. Is Cooper/White as good as Calvin, Fitz, Dez, Green, or Jones, I don't think so, so we would be getting a good WR that is going to do how much better than anyone we have out there now?

Oline, oline, oline oline, I don't care if we pick oline with every pick. If we pick at least 4 and 2 start right away, we will be so far ahead of last year with Robinson doing well and Saffold and Barksdale and two rookies that play at least average! Some of you are to worried about having to many first and second year players starting, well The Jets and SF proved it is possible. Coaches do their homework there is no reason why we can't have 2 rookies that can step right in! It makes more sense than thinking a WR is going to help us improve that much?

These top 3 WR's are very good though. Elite talent. If any go in the top 5 no one would think much of it. White is very comparable to J. Jones. Copper to a young Reggie Wayne. Do you really want to take a chance on passing on that? Like shop said Quick will be a FA next year and who knows if he will be ok this year. That was a bad injury he tore 3 ligaments. I think u will feel better if they resign Barksdale and sign Wiz or the guard from ATL.

 

[Vitamike]

Well I have to disagree with taking Cooper/White! It just makes no sense, I think a lot of you are blinded by the sexy skill position pick!
I think our WR Corp is pretty good as it is, if you want to take a WR, take him very late. Over the past 10 drafts 38 WR's have been taken, I think 7 have made it to the Super Bowl, one of them (Harvin) was traded to get there! And of those 7 Ted Ginn, Crabtree,Meacham and Harvin aren't even that good! than, not even half of those 38 have even made it to the playoffs!

There were some stud WR's taken in the first round, Calvin Johnson, Bryant,AJ Green, J. jones, Fitzeralds, but overall the rest are just average to maybe good WR's. Of the studs only Fitz has helped take his team anywhere.

San Francisco took 2 Olineman in the first round in 2010, both started and are still starting, they also took Staley in first round of 2007, they had a pretty good oline. Jets took 2 Olineman in round 1 in 2006, freguson/Mangold started from day one and played many years!

Yes WR is sexy pick, oline is boring pick, but that's what we need, we don't "need" another WR that "maybe is average to good. Is Cooper/White as good as Calvin, Fitz, Dez, Green, or Jones, I don't think so, so we would be getting a good WR that is going to do how much better than anyone we have out there now?

Oline, oline, oline oline, I don't care if we pick oline with every pick. If we pick at least 4 and 2 start right away, we will be so far ahead of last year with Robinson doing well and Saffold and Barksdale and two rookies that play at least average! Some of you are to worried about having to many first and second year players starting, well The Jets and SF proved it is possible. Coaches do their homework there is no reason why we can't have 2 rookies that can step right in! It makes more sense than thinking a WR is going to help us improve that much?

If WR is BPA than so be it.

If Cooper or White falls to 10 and are the BPA it puts us in a great situation to draft them.

We do need more OL help & depth and we still have some cap room to fit one or two more FA (Barksdale, Wisniewski, Blalock or Sims).

What you get with Cooper or White is an awesome duo with Cooper-or-White & Quick. This tandem will also disperse the work load as opposed to going with just Quick as your premier WR and getting the lions share of catches. Quick could have a banner year this way and be the No. 1 WR FA in the NFL next year and that could hurt our chances at re-signing him. Even if he is the No. 1 WR FA we still have Cooper/White for the next 4 years on the CBA rookie wage scale.

And there is the match-up problems with two true No. 1 deep threats and Tavon, Cook & Kendricks across the middle that will allow our running game to open wide up.

Don't under estimate the power of two No. 1's on the field, especially if you have guys like Austin, Cook, Kendricks, Mason, Stacy all over the field!

I say that because that could allow the Rams to resign Quick to a manageable contract at the end of the season.

Besides, if we get a stud WR out of the way early, we can go OL often and deep in the draft and it is a lot easier to get a stud offensive lineman later in the draft than a stud WR..

 

[Smed55]

If WR is BPA than so be it.

If Cooper or White falls to 10 and are the BPA it puts us in a great situation to draft them.

We do need more OL help & depth and we still have some cap room to fit one or two more FA (Barksdale, Wisniewski, Blalock or Sims).

What you get with Cooper or White is an awesome duo with Cooper-or-White & Quick. This tandem will also disperse the work load as opposed to going with just Quick as your premier WR and getting the lions share of catches. Quick could have a banner year this way and be the No. 1 WR FA in the NFL next year and that could hurt our chances at re-signing him. Even if he is the No. 1 WR FA we still have Cooper/White for the next 4 years on the CBA rookie wage scale.

And there is the match-up problems with two true No. 1 deep threats and Tavon, Cook & Kendricks across the middle that will allow our running game to open wide up.

Don't under estimate the power of two No. 1's on the field, especially if you have guys like Austin, Cook, Kendricks, Mason, Stacy

all over the field!

I say that because that could allow the Rams to resign Quick to a manageable contract at the end of the season.

Besides, if we get a stud WR out of the way early, we can go OL often and deep in the draft and it is a lot easier to get a stud offensive lineman later in the draft than a stud WR..

I know what you are saying but we already have two good WR's in Britt, who you failed to mention, and Quick, both of these guys have good size. They can both feed off each other so we don't need Cooper or
White. And again would rather draft 4 oline and hope 2 work out rather than 1 WR that may or may not workout! As I said, I looked over the past 10 drafts there were quite a few WR' s that were "suppose" to be somebody, and turned out that a few were not good, a lot were average to good, and a handful were studs. Sorry, I just don't see the megaton, Fitz, Jones, or Green in this draft!
As far as Quick maybe leaving next year, we deal with that then! If our oline is straightened out, we can draft possible stud WR next year or if we improve even more next year, maybe stud FA WR comes to us! We are set at WR this year, we are not at oline, drafting WR doesn't help us much this year?

Again Megatron, Green, Jones, and Bryant have not helped there teams to playoff success, do you really think Cooper/White will exceed these studs and take us to greatness? It all starts on the line on both sides of the ball! Doesn't it?

 

[27mtrcougar]

That's the point we hopefully won't be picking in the top 10 next year and this is unusual to have 3 top 10 WR in a draft. Drafting guys like this isn't easy and doesn't happen every year. I'm sure you could find plenty of linemen in the past 10 years too. Look no further then the Rams picks.

 

[27mtrcougar]

And I think all of those WR's you listed did help their team make the playoffs?

 

[Smed55]

And I think all of those WR's you listed did help their team make the playoffs?

Megaton has had little playoff success and is arguably the best WR in the game,on top of he didn't have one of his best years this past year and they still made it to the playoffs! Jones has done little to help Atlanta be successful, Dez first time to playoffs in 5 years, had great year, but having that oline and Murray helped him greatly? Fitz while a great receiver, Cards don't make Super bowl without our boy Warner! WR' s don't usually take teams where they need to be, it's QB's and oline!

Yes we have picked some horrible Olineman , namely Smith and Barron, that's why our chances are better to hit on a couple of good ones it if we pick more, obviously they aren't all going to work out. I'd still rather 2 out of 4 oline picks made it, than take a chance that 1 WR might be better than what we already have. And again, how much better and how many more catches would they have if they started ahead of Quick or Britt, which I think can be pretty dam good in their own right! I think I would take at least 3 out of the top 5 WR's from last years draft ahead of Cooper or White!

 

[SJ76]

Not much difference between DGB and Dez as far as risk IMO coming out of college. DGB has behaved at Oklahoma apparently.

Cooper can't run block very good.
White isn't the brightest apple in the bunch.

Top 5 are great athletes though.

Be great to trade down and get another pick, while drafting DGB around #20.

 

[Retroram52]

Chip Kelly must be mad. He is giving our friend Tim Tebow a try-out!

 

[SJ76]

Chip Kelly must be mad. He is giving our friend Tim Tebow a try-out!

Chip is bring a Super Bowl to Philly. He's focused right now Retro!!! Can't you just see Samantha, Dirty, and Timmah beating the best defenses in the NFL? I know I can.


Timmah is better than Kyle Orton though..

 

[27mtrcougar]

its a team sport though

Megaton has had little playoff success and is arguably the best WR in the game,on top of he didn't have one of his best years this past year and they still made it to the playoffs! Jones has done little to help Atlanta be successful, Dez first time to playoffs in 5 years, had great year, but having that oline and Murray helped him greatly? Fitz while a great receiver, Cards don't make Super bowl without our boy Warner! WR' s don't usually take teams where they need to be, it's QB's and oline!

Yes we have picked some horrible Olineman , namely Smith and Barron, that's why our chances are better to hit on a couple of good ones it if we pick more, obviously they aren't all going to work out. I'd still rather 2 out of 4 oline picks made it, than take a chance that 1 WR might be better than what we already have. And again, how much better and how many more catches would they have if they started ahead of Quick or Britt, which I think can be pretty dam good in their own right! I think I would take at least 3 out of the top 5 WR's from last years draft ahead of Cooper or White!

Yeah its a team sport though you need all the pieces. I highly doubt the Cards make it to the super bowl without Fitz & Bolden. Rams don't win the super bowl without Holt & Bruce either. If you pass on talent to fill a need thats how teams end up with no talent on the roster and can't compete imo. I think thats why they will try to fill 2 of the 3 holes on the OLINE with FA'S because of all the talent that will be there at 10. maybe even Defense.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Chip Kelly must be mad. He is giving our friend Tim Tebow a try-out!

Supposedly he has been working out with Bradys guy and has changed his mechanics from doing over 10,000 reps it comes natural now...

 

[Vitamike]

I know what you are saying but we already have two good WR's in Britt, who you failed to mention, and Quick, both of these guys have good size. They can both feed off each other so we don't need Cooper or
White. And again would rather draft 4 oline and hope 2 work out rather than 1 WR that may or may not workout! As I said, I looked over the past 10 drafts there were quite a few WR' s that were "suppose" to be somebody, and turned out that a few were not good, a lot were average to good, and a handful were studs. Sorry, I just don't see the megaton, Fitz, Jones, or Green in this draft!
As far as Quick maybe leaving next year, we deal with that then! If our oline is straightened out, we can draft possible stud WR next year or if we improve even more next year, maybe stud FA WR comes to us! We are set at WR this year, we are not at oline, drafting WR doesn't help us much this year?

Again Megatron, Green, Jones, and Bryant have not helped there teams to playoff success, do you really think Cooper/White will exceed these studs and take us to greatness? It all starts on the line on both sides of the ball! Doesn't it?

Britt will be insurance next year if Quick bolts for greener pastures. You see Britt will show the newbie the ropes. As Junkie just pointed out these guys are rookies and they will have some short comings.

Now let me ask you this, when was the last time an NFL team drafted 4 O linemen in a 7 round draft?

I don't know the answer but I'm guessing most were in the later rounds like rounds 4 through 7 and I bet some used compensatory picks.

I know what you want Smed but if we draft right, we don't need to draft O line every round. Just get the BPA O lineman that fits our team!

 

[SJ76]

If I remember correctly, Cooper had some drops over the middle too this year too.


If you drat Cooper or White, do they start right now over Britt, Stedman, or Quick? If not, find a dam starter somewhere else I guess.

 

[Smed55]

Not much difference between DGB and Dez as far as risk IMO coming out of college. DGB has behaved at Oklahoma apparently.

Cooper can't run block very good.
White isn't the brightest apple in the bunch.

Top 5 are great athletes though.

Be great to trade down and get another pick, while drafting DGB around #20.

Thank you! Makes much more sense!