The Marvins

[cincygrad]

Do any of you guys know when Hobs plans to run his annual article where he hands out his "Marvin" awards?

I don't want to miss it.

 

[cincygrad]

Here it is bitches! Drink up the Kool-Aid and get ready to hear them Roar!

Best in show

*Sadly it appears that Baghdad Hobs has dropped use of "The Marvins."

 

[Gypsumstack]

I'd say the lowlight of the year would have to be Chargers 27 - Bengals 10...but what do I know?

 

[Cincyfan78]

Most interesting stat they had on there:

21-3: The record for Dalton and Bengals when they rush at least 30 times in a game.

0: Playoff games Bengals have rushed at least 30 times with Dalton.

 

[DanBengalfan]

the running game has to actually be working to run 30 times a game though, oh wait, it was working and we went ahead and threw interceptions anyway.

 

[cincygrad]

Most interesting stat they had on there:

21-3: The record for Dalton and Bengals when they rush at least 30 times in a game.

0: Playoff games Bengals have rushed at least 30 times with Dalton.

That stat is skewed..... That mostly involves all of the games in which Marvin gets a lead and does nothing but run the football for the entire 4th quarter. I'm not sure a commitment to the run (in the form of 30 runs per game) would do very much if our quarterback couldn't convert on third and medium -- Which is what he would have to do with the Firm getting 2.5 per carry.

 

[Cincyfan78]

That stat is skewed..... That mostly involves all of the games in which Marvin gets a lead and does nothing but run the football for the entire 4th quarter. I'm not sure a commitment to the run (in the form of 30 runs per game) would do very much if our quarterback couldn't convert on third and medium -- Which is what he would have to do with the Firm getting 2.5 per carry.

I agree that the stat is a bit skewed, but the fact remains, Dalton should throw it less.

Dalton should not be in the top 10 of passing attempts. Especially when you figure in they won 11 games this year, and had leads for many games, and were close enough in several games at the end, where totally going all pass-whacky wasn't needed.

He had more passing attempts than:

Palmer
Luck
Manning (Eli)
Rivers
Romo

Alex Smith was 15 in the NFL in passing, and if Dalton is a poor mans' Smith, then that is about where he should be, if not a tad lower.

Heck, you would think Cam, RGIII with all the big defits he faced, and Henne with allt he big deficits he faced would have more, but they are in the 15-20 range.

So, yes, you are right. The stats are a bit skewed, but the reason it caught my eye is that it simply re-enforces what I think we all agree on...Dalton needs to pass less.

 

[cincygrad]

I agree that the stat is a bit skewed, but the fact remains, Dalton should throw it less.

Dalton should not be in the top 10 of passing attempts. Especially when you figure in they won 11 games this year, and had leads for many games, and were close enough in several games at the end, where totally going all pass-whacky wasn't needed.

He had more passing attempts than:

Palmer
Luck
Manning (Eli)
Rivers
Romo

Alex Smith was 15 in the NFL in passing, and if Dalton is a poor mans' Smith, then that is about where he should be, if not a tad lower.

Heck, you would think Cam, RGIII with all the big defits he faced, and Henne with allt he big deficits he faced would have more, but they are in the 15-20 range.

So, yes, you are right. The stats are a bit skewed, but the reason it caught my eye is that it simply re-enforces what I think we all agree on...Dalton needs to pass less.

No argument here.

We have an excellent defense, a very good punter and a serviceable field goal kicker. Having four turnovers a game is poor game management all around.

 

[bengaldoug]

The Bengals' running game needs work if it is to carry the offense next year. They averaged a paltry 3.6 ypc on the season, worst of all playoff teams. The last two weeks should have demonstrated to all of us the value of being able to dominate with the run. The oline was rated second in pass protection by PFF and had the highest combined pass block score of +56.0 but was only -7.6 as run blockers and was -2.8 rushing, which was 27th in the league. The only really good run blocker was Whit (+17.6) while supposed road grader Andre Smith was only +1.1 on the season. The TEs are going to have to get better setting the edge. Both Gresham (-10.6) and Eifert (-8.5) were horrible in this role.

 

[Servo]

I agree that the stat is a bit skewed, but the fact remains, Dalton should throw it less.

Dalton should not be in the top 10 of passing attempts. Especially when you figure in they won 11 games this year, and had leads for many games, and were close enough in several games at the end, where totally going all pass-whacky wasn't needed.

He had more passing attempts than:

Palmer
Luck
Manning (Eli)
Rivers
Romo

Alex Smith was 15 in the NFL in passing, and if Dalton is a poor mans' Smith, then that is about where he should be, if not a tad lower.

Heck, you would think Cam, RGIII with all the big defits he faced, and Henne with allt he big deficits he faced would have more, but they are in the 15-20 range.

So, yes, you are right. The stats are a bit skewed, but the reason it caught my eye is that it simply re-enforces what I think we all agree on...Dalton needs to pass less.

A lot of those passes were one read, short passes which is basically almost just like a run. While Dalton may have technically threw the ball more, they did not ask him to make throws with a high degree of difficulty so I think the 'we asked Dalton to do too much' is misleading.

 

[Cincyfan78]

A lot of those passes were one read, short passes which is basically almost just like a run. While Dalton may have technically threw the ball more, they did not ask him to make throws with a high degree of difficulty so I think the 'we asked Dalton to do too much' is misleading.

Per PFF he was up there in deep ball attempts, completions, comp %, etc...doug had it out there somewhere. Maybe he'll repost.

So, no, it wasn't just all dinks and dunks.

Also, I disagree on several levels with the notion that a "short pass" is like a run. It may gain as many, or as few, yards as a run, but the explicit outcome is nowhere near the same.

 

[bengaldoug]

Per PFF he was up there in deep ball attempts, completions, comp %, etc...doug had it out there somewhere. Maybe he'll repost.So, no, it wasn't just all dinks and dunks.

Also, I disagree on several levels with the notion that a "short pass" is like a run. It may gain as many, or as few, yards as a run, but the explicit outcome is nowhere near the same.

I'm done reposting that. Nobody pays attention, apparently.

 

[DanBengalfan]

OMAHA OMAHA OMAHA

 

[cincygrad]

I'm done reposting that. Nobody pays attention, apparently.

Pay attention Doug..... HUE JACKSON IS OUR COORDINATOR.

Even with 8 in the box, we are going to run it down the throat of the other team. We are going to chop wood and shovel coal!

 

[DanBengalfan]

not unless there's 11 in the box.

yea, Oakland Raiders Stats at NFL.com

he let Pryor and mcgloin pass for over 400 attempts last season, don't worry.

 

[cincygrad]

Dano --

Hue coached here last season.

Have you been drinking?

 

[DanBengalfan]

oh, well in that case

Oakland Raiders Stats at NFL.com

 

[Cincyfan78]

oh, well in that case

Oakland Raiders Stats at NFL.com

I could be wrong, but wasn't Hue the coach in 2011? He spent last year and this year with the Bengals?

Oakland Raiders 2011 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - ESPN

Would be what you, I think, would be looking for then? Hue was fired in January of 2012.

 

[Cincyfan78]

A lot of those passes were one read, short passes which is basically almost just like a run. While Dalton may have technically threw the ball more, they did not ask him to make throws with a high degree of difficulty so I think the 'we asked Dalton to do too much' is misleading.

I'm done reposting that. Nobody pays attention, apparently.

Here you go, I went back and found the post.


You asked. Dalton's 86 downfield attempts are second most in the league. His 31 downfield completions are second most, to PManning's 38. His 14 tds on downfield passes are tied for second most in the league, again one behind PManning. His 14.7 % of pass attempts going downfield are tied for third most. His downfield accuracy of 44.2% ranks eigth. Surprised?

So...

1st...the who thing about the offense being based on dink/dunk passing is not true. In fact, it's 100% false.

2nd...I pay attention, I knew you had this out there, and I knew (in general) that he was in the top 3, I just couldn't remember the specifics. It's all good, though. I know what you mean. People have this perception and just ignore facts and realities.

 

[bengaldoug]

Here you go, I went back and found the post.


You asked. Dalton's 86 downfield attempts are second most in the league. His 31 downfield completions are second most, to PManning's 38. His 14 tds on downfield passes are tied for second most in the league, again one behind PManning. His 14.7 % of pass attempts going downfield are tied for third most. His downfield accuracy of 44.2% ranks eigth. Surprised?

So...

1st...the who thing about the offense being based on dink/dunk passing is not true. In fact, it's 100% false.

2nd...I pay attention, I knew you had this out there, and I knew (in general) that he was in the top 3, I just couldn't remember the specifics. It's all good, though. I know what you mean. People have this perception and just ignore facts and realities.

I wasn't referring to you. I know you pay attention. As a matter of fact, the first time I posted that was in your support. You were debating with Hokie, who didn't even acknowledge the post. I put it out there another time or two and was largely ignored by others I was trying to make the point to. So I just decided the research I did wasn't worth it because as you said people ignore facts that inconveniently contradict their preconceived notions.