The Josh Harris Era

[gkekoa]

of course you go by the player. the player produced. CM produced at Carlona. The draft pick worked out, regardless of what the team records were.

Yes, redskinsfan said that, to take Bowers at #2 overall that is why I replied to him, then you chimed in. IMO its Illogical to take a TE that high in the draft. Even if we need one. If you are saying its logical to take a TE over a stud WR or LT like Alt if we are forced to make the pick at #2 and Peters doesnt like the Qb's, then we disagree.

It s never going to happen. Bowers at #2. If you find logic in this then that is your opinion. I disagree.

No argument the player produced but it proves my point that RBs should not be taken high…at all. pick has to lead to victories for it to work. There cannot be a steady decline in wins and call it a good pick.


redskinsfan…did you say you would take Bowers #2 overall? Would you trade down if possible and take him later if it is available?

Dean…you need to learn what nuance means. You still need to look up the word logical. I showed you the logic…we both disagree with the decision but there is logic in the pick of Bowers at 2. Logic is not an opinion.


Now to refute your statements…would you rather Travis Kelce or Mike Evans. I venture to say the top TE has been far more important than one of the top WRs. There are a lot of good WRs…there are very few consistently dominant TEs. The consistently dominant TEs in the modern era are Kelce, Gronk, and Kittle. I have seen plenty of question marks on Alt and each QB.

Now let’s play your McCaffery game…Would it be logical to take Bowers if he becomes the best TE in the game, while the QBs become Kyler Murray, RG3, and Jared Goff, and MHJ is AJ Green and Nabers is Crabtree and Alt becomes Duane Brown?

 

[deanpet21]

No argument the player produced but it proves my point that RBs should not be taken high…at all. pick has to lead to victories for it to work. There cannot be a steady decline in wins and call it a good pick.


redskinsfan…did you say you would take Bowers #2 overall? Would you trade down if possible and take him later if it is available?

Dean…you need to learn what nuance means. You still need to look up the word logical. I showed you the logic…we both disagree with the decision but there is logic in the pick of Bowers at 2. Logic is not an opinion.


Now to refute your statements…would you rather Travis Kelce or Mike Evans. I venture to say the top TE has been far more important than one of the top WRs. There are a lot of good WRs…there are very few consistently dominant TEs. The consistently dominant TEs in the modern era are Kelce, Gronk, and Kittle. I have seen plenty of question marks on Alt and each QB.

Now let’s play your McCaffery game…Would it be logical to take Bowers if he becomes the best TE in the game, while the QBs become Kyler Murray, RG3, and Jared Goff, and MHJ is AJ Green and Nabers is Crabtree and Alt becomes Duane Brown?

I also from the school of never take a RB in round 1 but CMC was different. He was and is a dominate 3 down back. That warrants a first round pick, and you cant fault the PAnthers for taking him

Alt and Bowers are ranked pretty much the same. MHJ higher. So if he we had to stay at #2 and the pick had to be a non QB i would take MHJ and Alt over Bowers. How is the Atlanta TE making out Pitts? He had high rankings like Bowers too. Anybody can bust but I have OT and WR higher on my priiorty list than TE. I know we need a TE but we also need LT and WR. Well no need for WR right now but MHJ is supposed to be a cant miss prospect. He is BPA at #2. So to me its not logical to take Bowers over AlT or MHJ b/c LT and WR are more important positions IMO.

 

[gkekoa]

I also from the school of never take a RB in round 1 but CMC was different. He was and is a dominate 3 down back. That warrants a first round pick, and you cant fault the PAnthers for taking him

Alt and Bowers are ranked pretty much the same. MHJ higher. So if he we had to stay at #2 and the pick had to be a non QB i would take MHJ and Alt over Bowers. How is the Atlanta TE making out Pitts? He had high rankings like Bowers too. Anybody can bust but I have OT and WR higher on my priiorty list than TE. I know we need a TE but we also need LT and WR. Well no need for WR right now but MHJ is supposed to be a cant miss prospect. He is BPA at #2. So to me it’s orry not logical to take Bowers over AlT or MHJ b/c LT and WR are more important positions IMO.

Sorry but CMC simply proves RBs shouldn’t be taken high.

You have Alt ranked the same as Bowers and MHJ ranked higher. NFL.COM has MHJ and Bowers about equal and Alt a decent amount below them.

Kyle Pitts was never the player that Bowers was in college.

MHJ is not even the number one WR in many rankings.

Stop using the word logical because you are incapable of doing so.

We would think that a dominant OT or WR is more important than a dominant TE but that is not what the last 15 years has shown.

 

[skinsdad62]

Sorry but CMC simply proves RBs shouldn’t be taken high.

You have Alt ranked the same as Bowers and MHJ ranked higher. NFL.COM has MHJ and Bowers about equal and Alt a decent amount below them.

Kyle Pitts was never the player that Bowers was in college.

MHJ is not even the number one WR in many rankings.

Stop using the word logical because you are incapable of doing so.

We would think that a dominant OT or WR is more important than a dominant TE but that is not what the last 15 years has shown.

The Detroit lions aren’t in the NFC title game without Gibbs , a1st round pick , the 49ers arent in the superbowl without CMC . I don’t buy silly “rules “ about what positions are drafted where , you take the best talent

 

[gkekoa]

The Detroit lions aren’t in the NFC title game without Gibbs , a1st round pick , the 49ers arent in the superbowl without CMC . I don’t buy silly “rules “ about what positions are drafted where , you take the best talent

I am not sure about Gibbs being the reason. He didn’t even lead their team in rushing in 2 out of 3 playoff games…Montgomery did.

CMC wasn’t drafted by the team he helped.

 

[deanpet21]

Sorry but CMC simply proves RBs shouldn’t be taken high.

You have Alt ranked the same as Bowers and MHJ ranked higher. NFL.COM has MHJ and Bowers about equal and Alt a decent amount below them.

Kyle Pitts was never the player that Bowers was in college.

MHJ is not even the number one WR in many rankings.

Stop using the word logical because you are incapable of doing so.

We would think that a dominant OT or WR is more important than a dominant TE but that is not what the last 15 years has shown.

Its not logical taking Bowers at 2 b/c its doesn't make sense. Therefore, its illogical.

 

[gkekoa]

Its not logical taking Bowers at 2 b/c its doesn't make sense. Therefore, it’s illogical.

Logic is defined as reasoning conducted or assessed acording to strict principles of validity.

Inhave already given you many valid reasons as to why it does make sense.

 

[kbso83432]

Might not be a big deal to me and you, but those players, especially the veterans, seeing that old astroturf being dug up at Ashburn went a long way toward tone and attitude.

 

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Since Dan botched the statue I would rather seen a proper one replace it.

The 10 best safeties in Washington Commanders franchise history

Who are the 10 best safeties in the illustrious history of the Washington Commanders franchise in its various guises?

riggosrag.com

The link above is a list of Washington's 10 greatest safeties. Obviously it is subjective but so is the idea that some hold believing Sean was Washington's greatest safety. I happen to agree that Kenny Houston, Brig Owens, Sammy Baugh and Paul Krause were all better than Sean.

Sean's death was tragic and sad. Statue worthy, no. But since Dan decided a statue was worthy I am glad to see Josh do it right.

When that is completed I think statues to Sammy Baugh, Joe Gibbs, Sonny Jurgenson, Bobby Mitchell, Charley Taylor and Art Monk should all be considered. Joe Jackson Gibbs statue should be outside the front doors. No one brought more to Redskins football than Gibbs.

I hope 15 or 20 years from now a guy name Jayden Daniels is worthy of a statue.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

Since Dan botched the statue I would rather seen a proper one replace it.

The 10 best safeties in Washington Commanders franchise history

Who are the 10 best safeties in the illustrious history of the Washington Commanders franchise in its various guises?

riggosrag.com

The link above is a list of Washington's 10 greatest safeties. Obviously it is subjective but so is the idea that some hold believing Sean was Washington's greatest safety. I happen to agree that Kenny Houston, Brig Owens, Sammy Baugh and Paul Krause were all better than Sean.

Sean's death was tragic and sad. Statue worthy, no. But since Dan decided a statue was worthy I am glad to see Josh do it right.

When that is completed I think statues to Sammy Baugh, Joe Gibbs, Sonny Jurgenson, Bobby Mitchell, Charley Taylor and Art Monk should all be considered. Joe Jackson Gibbs statue should be outside the front doors. No one brought more to Redskins football than Gibbs.

I hope 15 or 20 years from now a guy name Jayden Daniels is worthy of a statue.

Houston will live forever forever all of us who saw him hold that cowboy from the goal line against dallas on mnf in 74.

 

[Sportster 72]

Houston will live forever forever all of us who saw him hold that cowboy from the goal line against dallas on mnf in 74.

That Cowboy was Walt Garrett, pretty good football player in his day.

Houston played 6 years in Houston before coming to Washington. He returned 9 pass Ints for TDs and one for a fumble in those 6 years. One of my all time favorites.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

That Cowboy was Walt Garrett, pretty good football player in his day.

Houston played 6 years in Houston before coming to Washington. He returned 9 pass Ints for TDs and one for a fumble in those 6 years. One of my all time favorites.

I watched it,could not recall the cowboy.thanks.

 

[kbso83432]

Since Dan botched the statue I would rather seen a proper one replace it.

The 10 best safeties in Washington Commanders franchise history

Who are the 10 best safeties in the illustrious history of the Washington Commanders franchise in its various guises?

riggosrag.com

The link above is a list of Washington's 10 greatest safeties. Obviously it is subjective but so is the idea that some hold believing Sean was Washington's greatest safety. I happen to agree that Kenny Houston, Brig Owens, Sammy Baugh and Paul Krause were all better than Sean.

Sean's death was tragic and sad. Statue worthy, no. But since Dan decided a statue was worthy I am glad to see Josh do it right.

When that is completed I think statues to Sammy Baugh, Joe Gibbs, Sonny Jurgenson, Bobby Mitchell, Charley Taylor and Art Monk should all be considered. Joe Jackson Gibbs statue should be outside the front doors. No one brought more to Redskins football than Gibbs.

I hope 15 or 20 years from now a guy name Jayden Daniels is worthy of a statue.

I don't think Sean is getting a statue solely for his play. I never saw the greats that you listed, but I saw Sean. His ceiling was pretty high.

Dan did the mannequin thing as a deflection tactic. They botched it so bad, Josh had no choice but to make it right.

Sean's jersey being retired before people like Monk and Riggins was a head scratcher, but Sean meant so much to the team he was on and the fanbase.

Maybe this is a hot take, but it certainly felt like he was on a HOF trajectory. Every young safety wanted to wear 21 for years after his death.

Sean's statue is more of a memorial imo. His death was so tragic and sudden. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Sportster 72]

I don't think Sean is getting a statue solely for his play. I never saw the greats that you listed, but I saw Sean. His ceiling was pretty high.

Dan did the mannequin thing as a deflection tactic. They botched it so bad, Josh had no choice but to make it right.

Sean's jersey being retired before people like Monk and Riggins was a head scratcher, but Sean meant so much to the team he was on and the fanbase.

Maybe this is a hot take, but it certainly felt like he was on a HOF trajectory. Every young safety wanted to wear 21 for years after his death.

Sean's statue is more of a memorial imo. His death was so tragic and sudden. Just my 2 cents.

I do get all of that. I also get that as I get older I am not as impressed with players in many cases.

As I mentioned his death was tragic and very sad and I believe his death was a reason Snyder decided to commission and very crappy statue.

Three of the players named on that site I posted are HOFers .... all but Brig Owens. Brig was clearly a very good FS. We will never know what Sean might have been if he played another 5-7 years. He was one of a handful of players during the Snyder era that were standout players ... including Champ, London and Kerrigan.

I also get there were so few players during Snyder's tenure that fans loved him. Although I understand you and many others never saw the other safeties I mentioned it does not diminish their skill or accomplishments.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

I do get all of that. I also get that as I get older I am not as impressed with players in many cases.

As I mentioned his death was tragic and very sad and I believe his death was a reason Snyder decided to commission and very crappy statue.

Three of the players named on that site I posted are HOFers .... all but Brig Owens. Brig was clearly a very good FS. We will never know what Sean might have been if he played another 5-7 years. He was one of a handful of players during the Snyder era that were standout players ... including Champ, London and Kerrigan.

I also get there were so few players during Snyder's tenure that fans loved him. Although I understand you and many others never saw the other safeties I mentioned it does not diminish their skill or accomplishments.

owens should absolutley be in the hof.

 

[Sportster 72]

owens should absolutley be in the hof.

Really nice guy too. He came into our pizza stores in Marlow Heights and District Heights occasionally. Larry Brown came in one day and I was speechless.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

Really nice guy too. He came into our pizza stores in Marlow Heights and District Heights occasionally. Larry Brown came in one day and I was speechless.

I,ve read both were decent kind guys.jack paradee was nice enough to let me sit on his lap and mama take a pic when he came to bhs in 73.