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[DirtDirtDirt]

I certainly think that right now Kluber is in the discussion. Since he didn't break out until 2014 I left him off.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I certainly think that right now Kluber is in the discussion. Since he didn't break out until 2014 I left him off.

I like this guy^

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I said it was either of the two. Last May.

You said it was Syndergaard, tits.

 

[molsaniceman]

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[SlinkyRedfoot]

I'm not going to call you "triggered," because I wouldn't dare stoop to your level, but I will say you have quite the infatuation with one or two comments I made about Kershaw.

It wasn't about Kershaw, half-wit, it was about Syndergaard. You were calling a guy who has never pitched a complete season the best in baseball. It was just a retarded thing to say, but we're all used to you doing that.

 

[soxfan1468927]

If you line up Scherzer or Sale against Kershaw, there is a significant difference in ERA and WHIP.

For a position player, up until this year it was Miggy. I'll have to see how he finishes out the year. I like Goldschmidt a lot. Altuve is right there too.

There is certainly a difference. I think Kershaw is easily the best pitcher. What I'm saying is that it's closer between Kershaw and those two than it is between Trout and anybody else.

The only thing that Goldschmidt and Cabrera are remotely close to Trout in, is hitting. And even then, I'd say only Cabrera is actually close. Since Goldy broke out in 2013, there's still a 30 point gap in SLG even though Goldschmidt plays in a hitter friendly park. Trout destroys Cabrera in every other aspect of the game, and while Goldschmidt is a very good baserunner, he's still not better than Trout. Add in the fact that Trout plays a more valuable defensive position and the gap just continues to grow.

As for Altuve, he broke out in 2014, and since then, the offensive numbers aren't close between him and Trout. Altuve has the BA, but Trout still has a 30 point advantage in OBP and a 90 point advantage in slugging. Altuve plays a more valuable defensive position, but the difference between 2nd and CF isn't enough to come close to covering the gap between the two offensively.

 

[soxfan1468927]

That is the 2nd saddest I've ever been watching a sporting event.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

That is the 2nd saddest I've ever been watching a sporting event.

Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS was pretty brutal.

How about this - I've seen the Indians lose game seven of the World Series in extra innings TWICE.

<slams dick in desk drawer>

 

[Omar 382]

You said it was Syndergaard, tits.

A lot of people will be quick to say that neither of those guys threw 100 MPH, and thus didn't have the ceiling of Syndergaard. I think Thor will be a great pitcher (hence me picking him as one of the two pitchers an expansion team should draft), but what if he blows out his arm tomorrow? Then what- he's a 23 year old asshole with 170 major league IP and a 4.2 career WAR. He needs to pitch longer to make it into the top 5- which I certainly think he has the potential to do.

When pitching, he has probably been the best starter this year not named Clayton Kershaw. And it's 2016, and he started a game last night, and you laughed like the Cubs were facing Jered Weaver.

Nope, not one of the best pitchers in baseball, Slinky. Silly me.
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So I said he was a top 20 pitcher in baseball, if not better at the time, and had a lot of room for improvement, and thus could end up much higher. And then you ridiculed me for saying he was one of the best pitchers in baseball. So why am I the silly one again?

Did I though?

Wait, I'll let you answer

Interesting perspective from a guy who has stated that Noah Syndergaard is one of the best pitchers in baseball.

Continuity is important, Omar.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS was pretty brutal.

How about this - I've seen the Indians lose game seven of the World Series in extra innings TWICE.

<slams dick in desk drawer>

Different feeling from Game 3 in 2004. There was a sense of "nowhere to go, but up" after that game. My mind was prepping for the offseason after the 5th inning anyway. Unlike in 2003 when my mind was preparing for the World Series when they were 5 outs away. Then having to stew on that for a year.

And I will never compare my sports experiences with yours.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Did I though?

Wait, I'll let you answer

It's ok- I'd be bitter too if I laughed at a guy who said that Noah Syndergaard might be the best pitcher in baseball, and then it turned out that he was

Fucking retard.

 

[Omar 382]

Fucking retard.

Best pitcher in 2016 is what I was referring to. Yeah, he was. Or at least he arguably was. It'd be almost impossible to say for sure that one was undoubtedly, unequivocally better. Hence, me saying this about 4 comments later

If you want to make an argument that he's not undeniably the best, fine. But if you want to make the argument that Kershaw was undeniably the best last year, I have three letters for you my friend- L O L

 

[soxfan1468927]

Best pitcher in 2016 is what I was referring to. Yeah, he was. Or at least he arguably was. It'd be almost impossible to say for sure that one was undoubtedly, unequivocally better. Hence, me saying this about 4 comments later

So who do you think was better last year, Syndergaard or Kershaw?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

So who do you think was better last year, Syndergaard or Kershaw?

Hendricks and Lester were both better than Syndergaard last year.

I'd even say Bumgarner was too. His numbers weren't quite as good, but he threw nearly 25% more innings than Syndergaard.

 

[Omar 382]

So who do you think was better last year, Syndergaard or Kershaw?

It's very close. Obviously, Kershaw was better when he pitched, but the extra ~35 IP cannot be ignored in terms of value to a team. I'd take Syndergaard if I were to pick one to replicate their seasons for the 2006 Phillies, who missed out on the Wild Card by a couple of games. Their FIP-'s are a lot closer than their ERA-'s, so it also depends on how good my defense was.

I'd take Syndergaard in that situation, but I don't think it'd make that big a difference. I just value a guy with ~35 more IP than a guy with ~35 less IP, even if he was undoubtedly better WHILE he actually pitched.

But to each their own. This isn't like choosing between Albert Pujols and Ryan Howard in the '06 NL MVP.

 

[Rock Strongo]

eat dicks

its ok, the next year went fine and i got a new TV.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

So who do you think was better last year, Syndergaard or Kershaw?

I'd say it's pretty clearly Kershaw. Sure, Syndergaard had 35 more innings, but it took him nine more starts and a relief appearance to get those innings, and when Kershaw did pitch, he was so much better.

 

[soxfan1468927]

It's very close. Obviously, Kershaw was better when he pitched, but the extra ~35 IP cannot be ignored in terms of value to a team. I'd take Syndergaard if I were to pick one to replicate their seasons for the 2006 Phillies, who missed out on the Wild Card by a couple of games. Their FIP-'s are a lot closer than their ERA-'s, so it also depends on how good my defense was.

I'd take Syndergaard in that situation, but I don't think it'd make that big a difference. I just value a guy with ~35 more IP than a guy with ~35 less IP, even if he was undoubtedly better WHILE he actually pitched.

But to each their own. This isn't like choosing between Albert Pujols and Ryan Howard in the '06 NL MVP.

Here's the thing about the innings though. They have to be valuable innings. In order for Kershaw to have the same ERA as Syndergaard, he would have to have a 6.49 ERA in those 35 innings.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Here's the thing about the innings though. They have to be valuable innings. In order for Kershaw to have the same ERA as Syndergaard, he would have to have a 6.49 ERA in those 35 innings.

Good point. So, Kershaw could have thrown 35 more inn

For what it's worth, Cy Young voters put Kershaw (and six other NL pitchers) over Syndergaard.

But sure, Syndergaard was "the best pitcher in baseball" because a talking cheesesteak sandwich said so. . .

 

[Omar 382]

Here's the thing about the innings though. They have to be valuable innings. In order for Kershaw to have the same ERA as Syndergaard, he would have to have a 6.49 ERA in those 35 innings.

That is a good point.

I value FIP more than ERA though, which is a controversial point. Like I said, their FIP's are much closer than their ERA's though I don't know how bad Kershaw's FIP would have to be to reach Thor. I don't think it'd be easy to calculate, though if you could, that would be interesting.