The 2023-2024 NBA Season

[The Q]

I've yet to say he doesn't deserve to be in the discussion. He plays a damn near perfect brand of basketball for this era on the offensive end. His impact on the court cannot be questioned on that end.

What I'm challenging is voters being so simple minded to go "oh wow...AND he's the best defender too?"

There is no other logical explanation for him running away with this award other than people simply looking at VORP or BPM. Because there is no other reason for the titanic shift in voting patterns that shafted Lebron. Lebron has not won an MVP since Obamas first term.

They’ve changed in all sports

Look at king Felix winning that cy young

That was the point where it seems like things really changed.

 

[The Q]

Yeah.

Problem there was that Cleveland and LeBron never really went for it in the regular season.

We all knew he was the best player. I thought he should have won at least twice in that stretch, but I also get why he didn’t.

Load management has also impacted it for sure

 

[Duffman]

But come on man. How are more people not bothered at this man entering the list of elite elites at this stage.

Because most people don’t get triggered by an award category in a professional sport.

 

[The Q]

Thank you

I can't believe so many of us aren't offended by this.

Maybe Jokic shoves it up my ass and goes out and wins a 2nd title this year. And if he does my tone changes. And YES I KNOW it's a regular season award

But come on man. How are more people not bothered at this man entering the list of elite elites at this stage.

Hollinger wrote An article today saying he’s got a case for a top 20 player all time

The game has changed

This is what you guys wanted

Not giants like Shaq Hakeem Ewing etc

You want lame-o midgets and different centers

 

[The Q]

I put the chances that he wins even 1 more at about 10%.

If they do end up flaming out this year, that probably drops even lower.

Yup

Now the voter fatigue really kicks in

Last year was bad, it’ll only get worse from here

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Hollinger wrote An article today saying he’s got a case for a top 20 player all time

The game has changed

This is what you guys wanted

Not giants like Shaq Hakeem Ewing etc

You want lame-o midgets and different centers

Of course he did.

Wait until he's 7 time MVP. We will start talking about Tubby as the GOAT

 

[fightinfunbags]

Hollinger wrote An article today saying he’s got a case for a top 20 player all time

The game has changed

This is what you guys wanted

Not giants like Shaq Hakeem Ewing etc

You want lame-o midgets and different centers

Hollinger is a hack. He got a real job in sports and was an abject failure.

 

[msgkings322]

We will see next year but the result of this vote tells me you have at least a 3rd of voters who won't come off Jokic as their top guy.

I really doubt Jokic wins again just on voter fatigue alone (same reason Giannis stopped getting them)

 

[eaglesnut]

This is what you guys wanted

Not giants like Embiid Shaq Hakeem Ewing etc

You want lame-o midgets and different centers

Fixed that for you

 

[Wamu]

Jokic is a very very good player. But when we are talking this level of mvp dominance we are talking all time elite stuff.

Had to look this stuff up but here are some things Jokic has done that no player in league history has done.

-lead his team in pts, rebs, asts for seven consecutive seasons

-only player to have a 2000/1000/500 season

-single season PER record 32.3 for the 2021-22 season

-one of two players in league history with a 2000/1000/800 (the other is Big O)

-most trip-dubs in a single playoff run with eight breaking Wilt's record

Bonus stuff because he accomplished this against Lakers (fuck 'em!) last season in the WFC. 27.8 ppg, 14.5 rebs, 11.8 asts / shot 50.6% from the field & 47.1% from downtown)

Most of the info was from this article on nba-.com. 15 interesting facts about no. 15, Nikola Jokic.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I really doubt Jokic wins again just on voter fatigue alone (same reason Giannis stopped getting them)

I don't know man this feels different.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Had to look this stuff up but here are some things Jokic has done that no player in league history has done.

-lead his team in pts, rebs, asts for seven consecutive seasons

-only player to have a 2000/1000/500 season

-single season PER record 32.3 for the 2021-22 season

-one of two players in league history with a 2000/1000/800 (the other is Big O)

-most trip-dubs in a single playoff run with eight breaking Wilt's record

Bonus stuff because he accomplished this against Lakers (fuck 'em!) last season in the WFC. 27.8 ppg, 14.5 rebs, 11.8 asts / shot 50.6% from the field & 47.1% from downtown)

Most of the info was from this article on nba-.com. 15 interesting facts about no. 15, Nikola Jokic.

I think history will reflect on him a lot more favorably than it does right now. Depending on if he wins any more championships though.

Jokic has more MVPs than Shaq and Kobe combined. Yet if you were to Start/Bench/Cut those three, I guarantee most people would cut the Joker

 

[msgkings322]

I don't know man this feels different.

Not to me, you're doing recency bias

Nothing stays the same...

 

[Wamu]

I think history will reflect on him a lot more favorably than it does right now. Depending on if he wins any more championships though.

Jokic has more MVPs than Shaq and Kobe combined. (1)Yet if you were to Start/Bench/Cut those three, I guarantee most people would cut the Joker

I don't get the hate. He's done stuff no player has done. And Jokic has never had a teammate that's made an all star game or an all defensive team.

1- Not me. I'd cut Shaq just to see peoples reaction.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I don't get the hate. He's done stuff no player has done. And Jokic has never had a teammate that's made an all star game or an all defensive team.

1- Not me. I'd cut Shaq just to see peoples reaction.

No one is hating on him

He just isn't a 3 time MVP type player at this stage.

 

[fightinfunbags]

No one is hating on him

He just isn't a 3 time MVP type player at this stage.

Good luck. If you don’t think he deserves more MVPs than Shaq and Kobe combined then you’re just a hater.

 

[tlance]

I don't get the hate. He's done stuff no player has done. And Jokic has never had a teammate that's made an all star game or an all defensive team.

1- Not me. I'd cut Shaq just to see peoples reaction.

Shaq is a better/greater player.

But if we are playing modern rules?

I think Shaq has just as much trouble defensively as Joker.

And he can’t win in nearly as many ways offensively. Being able to legally clog the paint on his post touches makes him a lot easier to guard.

I cut Shaq today, cut Joker in 2000.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Shaq is a better/greater player.

But if we are playing modern rules?

I think Shaq has just as much trouble defensively as Joker.

And he can’t win in nearly as many ways offensively. Being able to legally clog the paint on his post touches makes him a lot easier to guard.

I cut Shaq today, cut Joker in 2000.

I think that's a fair take.

 

[Wamu]

Shaq is a better/greater player.

But if we are playing modern rules?

I think Shaq has just as much trouble defensively as Joker.

And he can’t win in nearly as many ways offensively. Being able to legally clog the paint on his post touches makes him a lot easier to guard.

I cut Shaq today, cut Joker in 2000.

I was thinking of mentioning Shaq's lack of outside range but thought I'd get shit for it.

 

[Wamu]

No one is hating on him

He just isn't a 3 time MVP type player at this stage.

Can't disagree with that. One ring usually doesn't equal three MVP's. Heard the other day he finished the regular season in the top 10 in pts, rebs, asts. Not sure if he was the only one. If I remember I'll look it up later.