Game Thread: Texas @ Texas Christian

[Wishbone]

So Mack burns Swoopes redshirt three fourths of the way into the season? Wow.

 

[HizzleRocker]

Yeah. Pretty apparent Ash is done for.

 

[starbigd]

Yeah. Pretty apparent Ash is done for.

He's already been ruled out for the KU game. They should just announce he's done for the season and save us some time.

 

[Codaxx]

Swopes has an NFL body and speed. He will make the NFL even if its just as an athlete/receiver.

We are kidding ourselves if we think that dude is sticking around Texas for 4 years.

I would rather get him started for 2014 with reps in 2013.....then worry about redshirting.

He ran a 4.8+. He is not leaving to be a wr.

 

[Codaxx]

He's already been ruled out for the KU game. They should just announce he's done for the season and save us some time.

They cant. If he gets cleared, there is no medical redshirt. Mack may not even announce it if he is cleared. I think Ash is better, but the team is winning. I don't think Mack makes any changes, unless something goes very wrong

 

[TexasMan]

They cant. If he gets cleared, there is no medical redshirt. Mack may not even announce it if he is cleared. I think Ash is better, but the team is winning. I don't think Mack makes any changes, unless something goes very wrong

I don't think Ash is better. He may have the better arm strength (and that's really depressing to say), but Case has a much better pocket presence.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

So Mack burns Swoopes redshirt three fourths of the way into the season? Wow

He got in during game #7 of potentially 13 games. The Horns expect to try and play 13 games.

They don't have a designated backup QB.

Swoopes is the heir apparent and a future likely starter.

There is ample reason to get him reps now.

If McCoy gets injured on the first snap of Kansas, the Horns would have potentially no quarterback.

The word is that Overstreet is not even close to being ready to play QB.

He was converted to a running back in the New Mexico game.

It is absolutely the correct move..... unless Texas feels McCoy is invulnerable and 100% effective at all times.

.............

If David Ash was healthy, you keep the redshirt. But, he is not. And football is a game where injuries happen.

 

[Codaxx]

I don't think Ash is better. He may have the better arm strength (and that's really depressing to say), but Case has a much better pocket presence.

We can agree to disagree on that one.

 

[starbigd]

I don't think Ash is better. He may have the better arm strength (and that's really depressing to say), but Case has a much better pocket presence.

I don't even REMOTELY agree. I'd wager 99% of the fans and the coaches would disagree with you as well.

Ash is LIGHT YEARS better to me.....it's not even close, or debateable

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

ASH 7 day a week and twice on Sundays

The team is winning because the defense is playing lights out and the running game is blowing people off the line downhill.

McCoy was all over the place at times versus Oklahoma and TCU.

He is hitting some deep balls to wide open guys, but he has missed a lot of medium throws.

Texas would have won all 4 games if ASH was the starter as well.

ASH is the starter for a reason. Ash is much better.

McCoy is a backup. To his credit, he is not throwing crippling turnovers.

He is being a game manager for a suddenly resurgent defense and running game.

 

[starbigd]

ASH 7 day a week and twice on Sundays

The team is winning because the defense is playing lights out and the running game is blowing people off the line downhill.

McCoy was all over the place at times versus Oklahoma and TCU.

He is hitting some deep balls to wide open guys, but he has missed a lot of medium throws.

Texas would have won all 4 games if ASH was the starter as well.

ASH is the starter for a reason. Ash is much better.

McCoy is a backup. To his credit, he is not throwing crippling turnovers.

He is being a game manager for a suddenly resurgent defense and running game.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Wishbone]

McCoy passes the eye test better than Ash. Probably has a better winning percentage as a starter too. But in the end texas isn't good enough to win out. I say they go 1-2 vs. Baylor, Tech, and Osu.

 

[starbigd]

McCoy passes the eye test better than Ash. Probably has a better winning percentage as a starter too. But in the end texas isn't good enough to win out. I say they go 1-2 vs. Baylor, Tech, and Osu.

Wrong on both counts.

Case doesn't pass ANY test, much less the eye test.

And until this year, he was 1-7 in games where he threw more than 16 passes. You keep showing you don't know anything about either player, maybe you should sit this one out.

 

[TexasMan]

I don't even REMOTELY agree. I'd wager 99% of the fans and the coaches would disagree with you as well.

Ash is LIGHT YEARS better to me.....it's not even close, or debateable

Okay.

 

[starbigd]

Okay.

Lets put it this way.....and I haven't done the research yet - but I'm willing to bet Texas has a higher PPG, passing yards, 1st downs, and 3rd down conversions with Ash starting.

I'd also wager Ash has a better comp %, TD-INT ratio, and QBR than McCoy for both their careers.

 

[TexasMan]

Lets put it this way.....and I haven't done the research yet - but I'm willing to bet Texas has a higher PPG, passing yards, 1st downs, and 3rd down conversions with Ash starting.

I'd also wager Ash has a better comp %, TD-INT ratio, and QBR than McCoy for both their careers.

Ash doesn't make that TD throw to Marcus Johnson. That's all I'm sayin.

 

[starbigd]

Ash doesn't make that TD throw to Marcus Johnson. That's all I'm sayin.

I beg to differ. Ash makes that throw, and doesn't miss deep down field with open WRs. He also doesn't throw those two awful INTs.

 

[starbigd]

So I'm looking up the numbers, and it's not close so far

Ash has a better comp %, TD-INT ratio, QBR, Rating, and PPG......he's also better at YPC so far as I'm seeing.

On paper it's not close. Not sure how anyone can think Case is better in any measurable way.

 

[TexasMan]

I beg to differ. Ash makes that throw, and doesn't miss deep down field with open WRs. He also doesn't throw those two awful INTs.

Good points. I'm not saying Case is good by any means. Just better at certain things than Ash that I see. We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[starbigd]

Good points. I'm not saying Case is good by any means. Just better at certain things than Ash that I see. We'll have to agree to disagree.

I think Case is better at reading defenses......but I don't think his arm is good enough to really take advantage as much as he'd like.

Pretty much every measurable stat there is, he is significantly worse than Ash. You name it, Ash is better.....by a pretty substantial margin.