Teams are reaching out to the Lions about Stafford

[Battlelyon]

The only thing Stafford has proven is that he can’t win in the playoffs. Yes, I would take my chances keeping my first round picks.

You didn't know Stafford had a top 15 defense twice in his career, you don't want to talk about the shitty coaches he had, you don't want to believe that in spite of all that Stafford is 4th all time in comebacks and the three ahead of him had played at least 5 seasons more than him.

 

[Battlelyon]

@shopson67 is part right and you're part right. McVay's Rams are 3-5 against the Niners, but the Niners have won 4 in a row, sweeping the Rams in both 2020 and 2019.

Thanks to 49er fan Goof

 

[VikingFan2k2]

Why? He's been a very good QB for Houston and can escape the pocket.

Because of what they are going to have to give up for him. Houston (Bill O'Brien) made foolish trades and gutted the franchise. Trading for him is going to put the team that gets him in a similarly gutted team.

He's a great talent, but you have to have an infrastructure around him or you're going to look like the Texans.

 

[megalodon30]

exactly.
I never seen a QB do so little & get so much of the credit.
he passed for a whopping 1729 yds with a 46.5% cmp rate.
I wonder what that years team could have done with a real QB.

In all of the their wins. The defense gave up over 24 pts once.
Hell one of their losses they only gave up 7! & still lost!

Oh. And one other thing.
he fumbled 14 times! That might make Wentz look good!
that is more than one a game started.
Tebow 14 fumbles. Rest of entire team 18.

That Denver team was trash. 4-14 with him on the bench. Throw out all the numbers you want, if you put Matt Stafford as that teams QB, they weren't making the playoffs, they were picking in the top 10. Tim Tebow was the difference on that team. Period.

 

[megalodon30]

You didn't know Stafford had a top 15 defense twice in his career, you don't want to talk about the shitty coaches he had, you don't want to believe that in spite of all that Stafford is 4th all time in comebacks and the three ahead of him had played at least 5 seasons more than him.

He's 16 games below .500. That's the number that matters. Lots of guys get multiple coaches. Lots of guys have to play with poor defenses. If you can't consistently win, you aren't a good QB.

 

[Manster7588]

They were literally 4-14 with him on the bench and 9-7 with him as the starter, but sure... he "wasn't" the reason they won.

No he wasn't tbe reason they won. Most if not every one of those wins came with the other defense in prevent D, allowing Tebow's short game ability to work.

If he were the reason they won the team wouldn't have traded him to NY.

 

[megalodon30]

No he wasn't tbe reason they won. Most if not every one of those wins came with the other defense in prevent D, allowing Tebow's short game ability to work.

If he were the reason they won the team wouldn't have traded him to NY.

Then why were they so crappy without him? QB makes the biggest difference in the NFL. Tebow was a QB that could elevate a bad team. He proved that. Stafford never elevated the Lions. He proved that.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Then why were they so crappy without him? QB makes the biggest difference in the NFL. Tebow was a QB that could elevate a bad team. He proved that. Stafford never elevated the Lions. He proved that.

I’d like to say something here about Deshean Watson but people yell at me

 

[shopson67]

I see Dak and a bunch of guys who should be backups, imo. Winston could be interesting on the right team, though.

That's why I said depending on your needs. I think Rosen still deserves an honest shot somewhere, and could really reward the team that invests that time in him.

 

[shopson67]

Then why were they so crappy without him? QB makes the biggest difference in the NFL. Tebow was a QB that could elevate a bad team. He proved that. Stafford never elevated the Lions. He proved that.

Don't Count Matthew Stafford Out Just Yet

Read more on why Detroit Lions fans shouldn't count out Matthew Stafford just yet.

www.si.com

Some interesting stats about Stafford with the Lions:

Of the 72 wins the Lions have had with Stafford under center, 36 of them have come on game-winning drives.

The Lions have the fewest rushing yards in the league since 2009.

He is the Lions' all-time franchise record-holder in every meaningful quarterback category and the fastest quarterback in NFL history to reach 40,000 passing yards.

In the last 50 games the Lions have started without Stafford -- dating back to the pre-Stafford era -- the Lions have just six total wins.

 

[shopson67]

Because of what they are going to have to give up for him. Houston (Bill O'Brien) made foolish trades and gutted the franchise. Trading for him is going to put the team that gets him in a similarly gutted team.

He's a great talent, but you have to have an infrastructure around him or you're going to look like the Texans.

We don't know what that trade will take yet. The Dolphins have two first rounders this year and Tua to offer and just missed the playoffs. With Watson and even without those picks to use, they are definitely in the playoff discussion.

 

[shopson67]

He's 16 games below .500. That's the number that matters. Lots of guys get multiple coaches. Lots of guys have to play with poor defenses. If you can't consistently win, you aren't a good QB.

Wins are a team stat, not a QB stat. Defense, special teams, crappy front office support, no running game to speak of, all are major impacts on W/L records in addition to QB play.

 

[shopson67]

No he wasn't tbe reason they won. Most if not every one of those wins came with the other defense in prevent D, allowing Tebow's short game ability to work.

If he were the reason they won the team wouldn't have traded him to NY.

If he were the reason the won, he wouldn't be out of football entirely.

 

[megalodon30]

Wins are a team stat, not a QB stat. Defense, special teams, crappy front office support, no running game to speak of, all are major impacts on W/L records in addition to QB play.

QB makes the biggest difference. Pats with Brady were consistent Super Bowl contenders. Pats without Brady can't make the playoffs. Chiefs with Mahomes are near unbeatable. Chiefs without Mahomes are just kind of middle of the road. Colts with Peyton were consistent Super Bowl contenders. Colts without him were a 2 win team. Then they got Luck and immediately started making the playoffs again.

Stafford never elevated the team around him. Because he isn't that kind of QB. And the Rams are gonna have to learn that lesson the hard way.

 

[shopson67]

QB makes the biggest difference. Pats with Brady were consistent Super Bowl contenders. Pats without Brady can't make the playoffs. Chiefs with Mahomes are near unbeatable. Chiefs without Mahomes are just kind of middle of the road. Colts with Peyton were consistent Super Bowl contenders. Colts without him were a 2 win team. Then they got Luck and immediately started making the playoffs again.

Stafford never elevated the team around him. Because he isn't that kind of QB. And the Rams are gonna have to learn that lesson the hard way.

We'll see, and if that is the case for the Rams, that likely means EVERYONE underestimated Goff more than Stafford disappointing.

Pats without Brady didn't have a QB worth a crap to turn to. Cam is a RB that occasionally will attempt to pass erratically. Not sure what happened to him, but he is hot garbage these days. Cassel earned a payday after filling in for Brady and never repeated his success anywhere else. KC has only missed the playoffs once under Andy Reid; it's not all Mahomes but he puts them over the top. Luck threw more INT than TDs in the playoffs; his time in Indy was only marginally better than Stafford's in Detroit. Luck never had even decent protection from his OL. The Colts running game was awful, only producing one 1000 rusher (and barely). BTW, Luck's career QB rating, comp %, TD %, INT % are all below Stafford's. His Y/A and Y/C are virtually the same. He might be the closest comp to Stafford.

Again, you're attempting to use examples of elite QBs even though nobody is claiming Stafford to be elite, just an upgrade over Goff.

 

[Manster7588]

QB makes the biggest difference. Pats with Brady were consistent Super Bowl contenders. Pats without Brady can't make the playoffs. Chiefs with Mahomes are near unbeatable. Chiefs without Mahomes are just kind of middle of the road. Colts with Peyton were consistent Super Bowl contenders. Colts without him were a 2 win team. Then they got Luck and immediately started making the playoffs again.

Stafford never elevated the team around him. Because he isn't that kind of QB. And the Rams are gonna have to learn that lesson the hard way.

Tom Brady has a 20 year sample size, Tebow has a handfull of games as his sample size. You should be locked up in a MAX prison if you ever compare Tebow to TB again.

 

[megalodon30]

Tom Brady has a 20 year sample size, Tebow has a handfull of games as his sample size. You should be locked up in a MAX prison if you ever compare Tebow to TB again.

When did I do that? I’m simply pointing out QB is the biggest difference maker in the NFL. Tebow was the biggest difference in a team being 4-14 in a season and half with him on the bench and then making the playoffs once he was made the starter.

Tim’s game had obvious and severe limitations that would have prevented him from ever being a Super Bowl QB, but his intangibles were so far above that of the average QB that despite his limitations, he lead a very bad team to the postseason.

Meanwhile, Stafford who is by far and away a more polished QB than Tebow could ever be has no playoff wins in 3 games. Some QBs just know how to lead. Some don’t. And the very best, the Brady’s and Mahomes’, make their teams consistent Super Bowl contenders.

Maybe Stafford can lead the Rams deep in the playoffs and prove me wrong. I just wouldn’t put any money on it.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

 

[BrockForBroglio]

20 pages of ONE person bad mouthing Stafford and can't get off of Tim Tebow's dick. Lock this fuckung thread and move on.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

QB makes the biggest difference. Pats with Brady were consistent Super Bowl contenders. Pats without Brady can't make the playoffs. Chiefs with Mahomes are near unbeatable. Chiefs without Mahomes are just kind of middle of the road. Colts with Peyton were consistent Super Bowl contenders. Colts without him were a 2 win team. Then they got Luck and immediately started making the playoffs again.

Stafford never elevated the team around him. Because he isn't that kind of QB. And the Rams are gonna have to learn that lesson the hard way.

True QB is the most important position.
But let's not under value the importance of a team.

NE's terrible year was not just because of Brady leaving. They had the most Covid opt outs No camp like other teams, but NEs Offense and Defense are very difficult to learn even with full camps and OTAs.
Injuries didn't help.
Then there was/is the Cam fiasco.
Even Brady would've struggled. Maybe, maybe he gets them two more wins?