T.O. says he still has it (again)

[JDM]

What I mean is that the Qb can only do so much. once the WR catches it, the play beyond on that is in the hands of the WR. This was what both Rice and TO did perfectly. He said it was because of his QB, well the QB didnt burn the Linebackers and out play the DB's after 5-10 yards.

The QB is every bit as responsible as the receiver is for YAC. The position they put the receiver in is every bit as important as the receivers skill in determining YAC. Bad position makes elusiveness irrelevant.

 

[sooner4life130]

Thanks for your sports opinions, sooner4life130. It really means allot to me.

hey, It's pretty obvious you needed some insight. Seriously, if you have any more questions I would love to help out. I can tell football didn't exist until a few years ago for you so by all means I'm here to help.

 

[HammerDown]

hey, It's pretty obvious you needed some insight. Seriously, if you have any more questions I would love to help out. I can tell football didn't exist until a few years ago for you so by all means I'm here to help.

Insight is good, but self-important opinions from indignant "experts" is even better!

 

[sooner4life130]

The QB is every bit as responsible as the receiver is for YAC. The position they put the receiver in is every bit as important as the receivers skill in determining YAC. Bad position makes elusiveness irrelevant.

I agree with you. My point is that for Jerry, who I watched for many years did more than most. In respects to him it wasn't just Montana or Young. Jerry would catch a ball, make a player miss and go for 50 yards. I understand and agree with your point but all I'm saying is for Jerry Rice and T.O in their primes, it could have been Trent Dilfer and they still would have put up great numbers.

 

[JDM]

But they wouldn't have put up near the numbers they would with a good QB. Situation matters, and matters a lot, especially at the WR position.

 

[sooner4life130]

Insight is good, but self-important opinions from indignant "experts" is even better!

haha that actually made me laugh.

 

[sooner4life130]

But they wouldn't have put up near the numbers they would with a good QB. Situation matters, and matters a lot, especially at the WR position.

Clearly if the ball is behind the WR it's going to be very challenging to be elite. okay, So Jerry doesnt have 20.8K yards, instead he has 16K. Still at the top of the mountain.

 

[Blitzville]

I rarely post on the NFL forums.

Probably for the best.

 

[sooner4life130]

Probably for the best.

All I was doing was defending the football play of the greatest statistical player in the games history.

 

[JDM]

Clearly if the ball is behind the WR it's going to be very challenging to be elite. okay, So Jerry doesnt have 20.8K yards, instead he has 16K. Still at the top of the mountain.

If he only had 16k yards over 20 years no one would consider him GOAT, even if he did it with bad QBs. Longevity is great but it doesn't mean everything. Brett Favre isn't top 20 all time.

 

[sooner4life130]

If he only had 16k yards over 20 years no one would consider him GOAT, even if he did it with bad QBs. Longevity is great but it doesn't mean everything. Brett Favre isn't top 20 all time.

I would agree with that. he would be the Emmit Smith of the WR position. Nothing wrong with that. Although I still stand by the fact that when I watched Rice catch the ball, at any moment he could take it to the house.

 

[iowajerms]

I think comparing Jerry Rice to Terrell Owens is fair, but yet, can easily be misleading. They were 2 different styles of receivers.

I don't think Jerry Rice was ever as good in the redzone and getting touchdowns in the redzone as Terrell Owens was in his prime. Jerry Rice didn't have the physical form to do such. TO had the body, the strength, and in his prime, the hands to do so.

However, he wasn't the speed receiver or the YAC receiver like Jerry Rice. I'm not saying TO couldn't do that, I'm just comparing him to Jerry Rice. Did Jerry Rice benefit from having HOF QBs? Of course, but he still would have been elite if he didn't.

Saying that Jerry Rice faced a weaker defense is a stupid comment. You have WRs much smaller than Jerry Rice that is elite today. Jerry Rice was also a work-a-holic. He would have been physical enough for today's game and the 50's, when penalties were rarely called.

 

[HammerDown]

I think comparing Jerry Rice to Terrell Owens is fair, but yet, can easily be misleading. They were 2 different styles of receivers.

I don't think Jerry Rice was ever as good in the redzone and getting touchdowns in the redzone as Terrell Owens was in his prime. Jerry Rice didn't have the physical form to do such. TO had the body, the strength, and in his prime, the hands to do so.

However, he wasn't the speed receiver or the YAC receiver like Jerry Rice. I'm not saying TO couldn't do that, I'm just comparing him to Jerry Rice. Did Jerry Rice benefit from having HOF QBs? Of course, but he still would have been elite if he didn't.

Saying that Jerry Rice faced a weaker defense is a stupid comment. You have WRs much smaller than Jerry Rice that is elite today. Jerry Rice was also a work-a-holic. He would have been physical enough for today's game and the 50's, when penalties were rarely called.

Those two statements have nothing to do with each other.

So you're saying that NFL defenses during Rice's career were equal to today?

 

[iowajerms]

Those two statements have nothing to do with each other.

So you're saying that NFL defenses during Rice's career were equal to today?

They can be. Maybe they hit harder today, but I get so frustrated watching NFL games and seeing so many broken tackles because the player doesn't wrap up. The 49ers defense a few years ago that nearly went an entire season without giving up a rushing touchdown wrapped. Since then, they wrap less.

Jerry Rice would have been elite today just like he was then. I bet a very few WRs today work out as hard as he did when he played. Jerry Rice was the only WR that Joe Montana threw to that is in the Hall of Fame, I believe. If Joe Montana was the reason he was so good, wouldn't there be more WRs in the Hall of Fame from the 49ers during his tenure?

 

[Yankee Traveler]

What separates Rice from everyone else was his work ethics in his private practices. It's well known that his workouts are something that no player could rival. His stats speak for themselves and it will take many years for his records to be broken.

This.
His work ethic. He was working out the day after the Superbowl getting ready for the next season.
He carried that ethic to the field.
I remember reading tha Moss would work out in the offseason jumping out of 55 gallon drums. Thats tough. Try it.
But I do not believe for a moment that he was doing it the day after the season ended.
Same reason Larry Bird is brought up in conversation as greatest NBA player (not saying he is or isn't). If he relied onb his natural ability, he was an average player, but he worked so hard he was one of the greatest.
Dieon even said it. Jerry would never tire in a game. He could play as hard in the final 2 minutes as he could after warmups.

 

[Lemon Harang Pie]

I have always had respect for TO for reasons he brought up. He was never in legal issues or abused substances. I also think most of his career, he was elite. He just didn't get along with many quarterbacks after a while.

However, he was given chance after chance. The last time, he talked about how great of shape he was and compared himself to his prime, and didn't make the Seahawks. I don't think he deserves another chance. Jerry Rice played in the NFL until he was 42, he wasn't gone for years and came back.

"I respect him. He's never killed anyone."

You're not exactly setting the bar very high, are you?

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Like I said, he should have put on 30 lbs of bulk and retooled himself as a receiving TE, ala Gronkowski.

I'd be very curious to know how much T.O. is getting as a pension. He's not suffering...

He's almost broke if I remember correctly. Had to sell a few of his condos to pay child support or something.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Randy Moss quit on the Raiders and took plays off.

It was the RAIDERS...the QB was on his back because the OL took plays off!!!

 

[gvsulaker82]

Hey, I'm a Barry fan. He's my favorite RB of all time.

Sweet mine too! i also used to love the niners teams of the 90s with montana. But gah, cannot stand harbaugh.

 

[SonnyCID]

Sweet mine too! i also used to love the niners teams of the 90s with montana. But gah, cannot stand harbaugh.

Nobody can. Not even his own front office.