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if this guy was picked in round 4 or 5 i wouldnt have disliked the pick . his RAS suggests thst is where he should have landed . much like mathis being in round 2 i just feel the value isnt there

that being said he can help the team but i just dont like 2nd and 3rd round picks being in back roles when we needed starters

If the players perform who cares on what round they were picked in. The team liked these guys for a reason. Both of these guys will see significant time this year so you cant call them backup players.
 

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If the players perform who cares on what round they were picked in. The team liked these guys for a reason. Both of these guys will see significant time this year so you cant call them backup players.
You were singing a different tune with Moses ! If these guys pan out, all it means is we could have brought in more talent at draft appropriate positions which means more
They are backups
 

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You were singing a different tune with Moses ! If these guys pan out, all it means is we could have brought in more talent at draft appropriate positions which means more
They are backups

Moses played well for us. IF these guys work out its a win for the scouting staff. Robinson will probably be the goal line back this year.
 

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So lets say Phil and Robinson don't get drafted until the 4th and 5th round. Then you don't Butler, Howell or Turner in theory. Who would you have instead of those three?
 

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Moses played well for us. IF these guys work out its a win for the scouting staff. Robinson will probably be the goal line back this year.
i dont spend 3rd round picks on goal line backs , that isnt value . i dont spend 2nd round picks on rotational dt's either , that isnt value either
 

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i dont spend 3rd round picks on goal line backs , that isnt value . i dont spend 2nd round picks on rotational dt's either , that isnt value either

If they produce what does it matter in what round they were taken? High draft picks bust all the time.
 

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If they produce what does it matter in what round they were taken? High draft picks bust all the time.
The idea is to bring in as much talent as you can . When you reach for prospects you can get later you limit that . It’s pretty simple dean and good teams draft for value
 

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The idea is to bring in as much talent as you can . When you reach for prospects you can get later you limit that . It’s pretty simple dean and good teams draft for value

You cant determine that right now. You don't know how these players will work out.
 

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You cant determine that right now. You don't know how these players will work out.
i most certainly can determine that and i will . if brisker is a better player then mathis at a position of need at safety and i pick up mathis in round 3 i get both positions addressed at the appropriate draft spot
 

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i most certainly can determine that and i will . if brisker is a better player then mathis at a position of need at safety and i pick up mathis in round 3 i get both positions addressed at the appropriate draft spot

I meant right now. We don't know how these players will turn out. Plus you cant guarantee Mathis would of been there in the 3rd round.
 

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I meant right now. We don't know how these players will turn out. Plus you cant guarantee Mathis would of been there in the 3rd round.
i dont care what you mean because my beef isnt about whether they do things or not , its about being improperly drafted and not allowing us to maximize the draft to its fullest . reaching for players doesnt maximize anything
 

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i dont care what you mean because my beef isnt about whether they do things or not , its about being improperly drafted and not allowing us to maximize the draft to its fullest . reaching for players doesnt maximize anything

You don't know if its a reach yet. The season as yet to be played. lol.
 

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You don't know if its a reach yet. The season as yet to be played. lol.
i know its a reach based on where they were projected to go dean . from a draft already conducted ,

remember trent murphy dean ?

your new standard didnt apply then now did it ? i believe reach was certainly applied in that instance because you didnt like the pick and felt it should have been moses

you really dont have core values in the draft dean , its always about fitting into your narrative at the time

for 20 plus years at espn and here my draft philosophy has been the same

now this year you joined the wait and see crowd because it serves your purpose
 

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i know its a reach based on where they were projected to go dean . from a draft already conducted ,

remember trent murphy dean ?

your new standard didnt apply then now did it ? i believe reach was certainly applied in that instance because you didnt like the pick and felt it should have been moses

you really dont have core values in the draft dean , its always about fitting into your narrative at the time

for 20 plus years at espn and here my draft philosophy has been the same

now this year you joined the wait and see crowd because it serves your purpose

Moses produced, Murphy didn't. Moses was 3rd round and Murphy was a 2nd round pick. By the way Mathis was projected a late 2nd to 3rd round pick and Robinson was projected as a late 3rd and 4th round pick. Its not not like took these guys 1st round. You are overblowing this issue. IF they produce it doesn't matter. Just like Moses out produced Murphy.
 

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Moses produced, Murphy didn't. Moses was 3rd round and Murphy was a 2nd round pick. By the way Mathis was projected a late 2nd to 3rd round pick and Robinson was projected as a late 3rd and 4th round pick. Its not not like took these guys 1st round. You are overblowing this issue. IF they produce it doesn't matter. Just like Moses out produced Murphy.
that wasnt the tune you were singing then though was it dean ? . you made your assessments right then and there and whined that moses wasnt taken in round 1 . we got great value in moses just like we got great value in BS , which you also griped about

i would and i said say that TM was overdrafted , and i said it then but i did defend him
 

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that wasnt the tune you were singing then though was it dean ? . you made your assessments right then and there and whined that moses wasnt taken in round 1 . we got great value in moses just like we got great value in BS , which you also griped about

i would and i said say that TM was overdrafted , and i said it then but i did defend him

I had a 1st round grade on Moses. The NFL didnt. Of course i made comments at the time of the draft. Every fan does that
 

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I had a 1st round grade on Moses. The NFL didnt. Of course i made comments at the time of the draft. Every fan does that
And that is exactly what I am doing , being critical of the FO and how this draft was conducted
 

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I had a 1st round grade on Moses. The NFL didnt. Of course i made comments at the time of the draft. Every fan does that
I would bring Moses back here for the vet minimum.
 
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