State of the AFCE

[nefansince75]

There have been plenty of great QB's that never pulled their team across the finish line, there have been plenty of top notch WR's that have won the SB. It takes a team and coaching staff...and sometimes luck.

I always thought Dan Morino lacked a good coach. Pompous Shula replaced competent Shula in the early 80s.

 

[Southieinnc]

I always thought Dan Morino lacked a good coach. Pompous Shula replaced competent Shula in the early 80s.

Shula was good enough. Marino could not win big games - kind of like Tua

 

[nefansince75]

Shula was good enough. Marino could not win big games - kind of like Tua

Think about it? Remember a game losing pick? The team lost despite Mareno, not because of him.

 

[BigKen]

Marino could beat the bad team the entire season. He wilted when he had to go up against the iron. But it wasn't just Marino, he always had a couple of other guys that fouled themselves.

Jim Kelly was the same. Incredible regulars season and then losing four Super Bowls in a row.

Sadly, great QBs are remembered more for their losses than their wins. A few exceptions are Montana and Brady, because they did win the big ones when their backs were against a wall.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Marino could beat the bad team the entire season. He wilted when he had to go up against the iron. But it wasn't just Marino, he always had a couple of other guys that fouled themselves.

Jim Kelly was the same. Incredible regulars season and then losing four Super Bowls in a row.

Sadly, great QBs are remembered more for their losses than their wins. A few exceptions are Montana and Brady, because they did win the big ones when their backs were against a wall.

I honestly don't think Kelly folded.

He just went against NFC powerhouses in their heyday.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

There have been plenty of great QB's that never pulled their team across the finish line, there have been plenty of top notch WR's that have won the SB. It takes a team and coaching staff...and sometimes luck.

I feel the difference is a diva WR maybe gets 10 touches a game. The QB touches the ball on every snap minus a trick play. I'd put my money on the QB if I had to choose. Plus there are a lot more "great" WRs in the league vs QBs.

 

[nefansince75]

I feel the difference is a diva WR maybe gets 10 touches a game. The QB touches the ball on every snap minus a trick play. I'd put my money on the QB if I had to choose. Plus there are a lot more "great" WRs in the league vs QBs.

That's the thing, you don't get to choose. A good WR can make any team better, especially when a QB can't elevate other players.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

That's the thing, you don't get to choose. A good WR can make any team better, especially when a QB can't elevate other players.

The choice I was referring to was salary. If you want a top tier QB you have to pay. NE is a perfect example that you don't need overpriced diva WRs to win it all. If you invest in both a top $ QB and WR there will be other holes on the roster that will get exploited.

 

[Southieinnc]

I honestly don't think Kelly folded.

He just went against NFC powerhouses in their heyday.

If he had won, they would not be powerhouses