State of Nebraska ready to sue Federal Governent

[landon410]

i dont even have to open the links

it is universial, it already was...... and that is why costs were so high, we dont keep people responsible for themselves...
that is the liberal idea, i mean shit, look at detroit, the libs did exactly what they wanted in that city and look how it ended up

biggest shit hole int he country, now they are trying to do it to the entire country

 

[CAforNU]

I agree that there is a lot of bullshit in this bill and a lot of bullshit that went on while getting it through the house and senate. Things have not gone like the president said they would and that´s bullshit.


Yes, it does suck when poor people (or any people) get sick and I´m happy that a few of my tax dollars will be going to help them. Taxpayers and insurance holders were already paying for people who went to the ER with no health insurance through hightened prices on hospital visits and materials and through tax dollars. Nothing, of course, to the level of this bill though. Basically hospitals would jack up prices so those who had insurance would in effect be paying for those who visited and did not pay. (This is what I´ve heard and read. You used to work in an ER right Landon? You know better than me about people who went to the ER but didn´t have ins.)

Nowhere in the constitution does it say "we the government know better than you and will take care of you with other peoples money". But really, that is what the government does and has been doing. They tell us how to live and what to pay for. It´s just that now a different group of people have a problem with what the government is doing with our money and what they are telling people and companies they have to do.

The government already tells companies how they have to run all the time, but now people have a problem with it? OSHA, an agency of the U.S. Dept. of Labor, tells companies how to run things and things they have to buy to run safely. There are minimum wage laws. There is the antitrust law that maintains market competition by not alowing monopolies to form. There are laws on how many hours an employer may have their employee work and also on the conditions they are allowed to work in and around. Federal and local governments already tell businesses how they need to run and these agencies run on our tax dollars. Nothing new, so why the stink about that?

Why no problems with the government using our money to pay for these socialist things that everyone can use like; National Parks, National monuments, libraries, schools, infastructure, etc.?

The argument as to why this healthcare bill is legal is that it´s not illegal.
Usually, the first step is proving something is illegal.

And, why would some people have problems now with illegal government activity when they didn´t care a few years ago when it happened? Why do they care about the lies that we are being told now, but didn´t care a few years ago? Why do they care now about billions being spent on bullshit but didn´t care a few years ago? People need to be consistant with their talk and beliefs or they have no credibility.

I´m not even going to bring up that unnecessary trillion dollar venture our great country undertook starting some years back.

It´s too bad this bill passed because most of America didn´t want it to pass. Most of America, though, would like to see healthcare reform, but a smarter healthcare reform.

 

[CAforNU]

I get the vibe that Brasky and the other hard democrats on this board either dropped out of HS like a retard or never prosued a higher education. I wonder whos fault that is...

Good try D3. You did everything for me.

 

[Brasky]

Good try D3. You did everything for me.

That's fine you guys can gang up on me and assume things about what kind of person I am, it's a message board, but i'm not sure I appreciate this fabricated stereotype that Democrats are a bunch of uneducated morons with their hand out. I just so happen to care what happens to people like senior citizens that are being over charged for prescription drugs, or children denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. To Landon, and what seems like everyone else on this board: I respectfully agree to disagree.

 

[landon410]

that was a long post and im about to leave so i didnt read it, but "im happy some of my tax dollars are going to them"

so our tax dollars are charity now?
this bill is benevolence?

hmmm thought James Madison the AUTHOR OF THE CONSTITUTION said that congress couldnt pass bills of benevolence that spent tax payers dollars because it wasn't allowed in the constitution that HE WROTE

 

[landon410]

but i geuss barry the half white pres and nancy botox pelosi and barny give me cock frank know better then the guy who wrote the fucking constitution

 

[CAforNU]

Pants; I said ¨good try¨ to D3. I meant that I didn´t even have to respond with an argument because his message clearly reflected no insight and a poorly thought out opinion. That´s why I said that he did it for me---that is, he showed that his idea of a discussion is calling a person a retard, and then confirmed that he himself is well bellow average intelligence with his arguing technique and poor use of the english language. So, I found it unecessary to respond with anything but a thank you.

Sorry for the confussion. Not ganging up on you. I´d venture to guess that my views on life don´t match up with many of the people who post of here. I do agree with your thoughts on healthcare though pants.

 

[Kisen427]

I've been reading the posts and I can't say I'm for or against the bill but for anyone who says that now they are paying for others health care, do you really know why its so expensive to go to a hospital? It's because people don't have insurance and they do still have to go so the hospital will send some of the bill your way. So either way you are paying for someone else still. Maybe to stop the complaining of some people we should look at how the pill and insurance companies make their money. My boss's wife just got done with cancer and he found the ingrediant in the pills that he was paying for cost 100's of millions of dollars per pound, how can we accept this? Also now that their insurance cost are getting high due to the people in their insurance policy pool leaving (the reason why every so many years you need to change policies) they need to chance policies, well the insurance companies now don't want to cover for stuff that can come up due to cancer, so the question is if it won't cover what you need it to, why have it?
I don't think that this bill is completely done yet, there will be changes. I'm betting one of them is requiring you to have insurance.

 

[CAforNU]

No, our tax dollars are not a charity, nor do I want them to be.

Your tax dollars have always been going to entitlement programs. Going to government programs that provide certain people with financial benefits, goods and services. Programs such as welfare, social security, medicare, and many more. Are these not benevolent programs? If so, why are they legal and why haven´t you complained about social security or medicare or any other of these benevolent programs in the past.

So, first of all, although this bill is filled with bullshit, it probably isn´t illegal. Have Rush and Beck tell you the full story (or maybe think for yourself).

Second, why are so many people angry with our government breaking the constitution, breaking other laws, lying, and passing bills that the majority of people don´t want. Why are they angry now and weren´t a few years back when the same things were going on.
Have to be consistant to maintain credibility.

We could probably debate for a long time and not come to a consensus. So I´m probably not gonna keep putting fellow Husker fans through this. You can go ahead and have the last word (maybe). I´ll go over to the politics board to argue.

WWJGHC
(who would Jesus give healthcare to?)

We´re a nation built on Christian principles, right?

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

A lot of people are upset for good reason......but freaking out like the world is ending is ridiculous. It all starts with what the radio is telling everyone, and with a little bit of what the "fair and balanced" tv station is telling everyone.

No media is good media.....every form of media has an agenda. None of it is truely the opinion of the person speaking on its behalf.

 

[Fumble_Rooskie]

In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.

-Confucius

 

[Fumble_Rooskie]

Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Milligan

April 6, 1816

[Jefferson affirms that taxing someone who makes more money is wrong]

To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." If the overgrown wealth of an individual be deemed dangerous to the State, the best corrective is the law of equal inheritance to all in equal degree; and the better, as this enforces a law of nature, while extra taxation violates it.

[From Writings of Thomas Jefferson, ed. Albert E. Bergh (Washington: Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), 14:466.]

 

[Fumble_Rooskie]

On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor

Benjamin Franklin
1766

[Warning against overly generous welfare policies]

…I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means.—I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer. There is no country in the world [but England] where so many provisions are established for them; so many hospitals to receive them when they are sick or lame, founded and maintained by voluntary charities; so many alms-houses for the aged of both sexes, together with a solemn general law made by the rich to subject their estates to a heavy tax for the support of the poor. Under all these obligations, are our poor modest, humble, and thankful; and do they use their best endeavours to maintain themselves, and lighten our shoulders of this burthen?—On the contrary, I affirm that there is no country in the world in which the poor are more idle, dissolute, drunken, and insolent. The day you passed that act, you took away from before their eyes the greatest of all inducements to industry, frugality, and sobriety, by giving them a dependence on somewhat else than a careful accumulation during youth and health, for support in age or sickness. In short, you offered a premium for the encouragement of idleness, and you should not now wonder that it has had its effect in the increase of poverty. Repeal that law, and you will soon see a change in their manners. St. Monday, and St. Tuesday, will cease to be holidays. SIX days shalt thou labour, though one of the old commandments long treated as out of date, will again be looked upon as a respectable precept; industry will increase, and with it plenty among the lower people; their circumstances will mend, and more will be done for their happiness by inuring them to provide for themselves, than could be done by dividing all your estates among them.

[From Benjamin Franklin, "On the Price of Corn and the Management of the Poor" (1766), Writings (New York: Library of America, 1987), 587-88.]

 

[Fumble_Rooskie]

Had to put in just a few thoughts about what our founding fathers (minus the confucious quote) would think about all of our massive entitlement programs, including this health care reform law.

You can call it social justice all you want, but our country was not built on these ideals. Having health insurance is a great thing, but government being involved, let alone using the reditribution of wealth ideal, is wrong.

This is coming from a president who taught constitutional law. Looks like he didn't agree with the ideals behind what he taught.....

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Milligan

April 6, 1816

[Jefferson affirms that taxing someone who makes more money is wrong]

To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it." If the overgrown wealth of an individual be deemed dangerous to the State, the best corrective is the law of equal inheritance to all in equal degree; and the better, as this enforces a law of nature, while extra taxation violates it.

[From Writings of Thomas Jefferson, ed. Albert E. Bergh (Washington: Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), 14:466.]

I agree with this, however I do not agree with how we have decided on some professions being worth more than others. We have people making minimum wage who work 1,000 times harder than anyone else and provide more for the people living, yet I go to a hospital and see about 20 people just standing around talking and they get paid out the ass to do that and jot down some notes on a clipboard/act as an assistant every once in a while.

 

[iruletheskool]

tl/dr to this whole page

 

[Fumble_Rooskie]

Just one more thing... watch this video, it's very telling and should refresh some of you what kind of government we have and how we've been acting lately....

 

[Red_Alert]

I agree with this, however I do not agree with how we have decided on some professions being worth more than others. We have people making minimum wage who work 1,000 times harder than anyone else and provide more for the people living, yet I go to a hospital and see about 20 people just standing around talking and they get paid out the ass to do that and jot down some notes on a clipboard/act as an assistant every once in a while.

Just what do you consider getting "paid out the ass"? $40 - 60K? LMFAO

From the words of my dearly departed Grandpa who gave me my first paying job feeding the pigs at 6am when I was 7. "you want to get paid for what you know son, not for what you do."

The day that a dime a dozen high school drop-out ditch digger in this country gets paid the same as the fella who put in his efforts to learn how deep and where to dig the hole is the day all citizens of the USA are truly fucked.
Digging random holes is not progress.

I've fathered 2 children in the last 6 years so I spent plenty of time in Dr's offices and hospitals. Not ONCE did I ever see "20 people standing around" or even ONE "jotting down notes on a clipboard" who didn't have the training and knowledge to know what they were doing. I was very thankful to have those professionals assisting us in bringing our children into the world.

 

[Red_Alert]

Just one more thing... watch this video, it's very telling and should refresh some of you what kind of government we have and how we've been acting lately....

+ 1 rep pt

 

[Jack_John_Mark]

You don't want to get paid for what you do? Isn't that completely going against what we originally believed in this country? I don't know.....it seems like nobody wants to work in this country, yet everyone wants to blame someone else for the place goin to shit. Everyone wants to be lazy and make money.....I guess I see it differently. I feel good about working hard and making money......I quit my last job because I was getting paid to do something that provided nothing for anyone.....and that is not going to do anything for this country.