Stafford 92mg and 27m per season

[Sharkinva]

You know what?.....the cynic in me is yelling that...making and saving money while in perpetual tailspin mode is the Bruce Allen/Dan Snyder comfort zone. Sure they give a little sumptin' sumptin every now and then to quiet the natives, winning anywhere than "off the field" is strange to them......sorry man. #noconfidence

So let me ask you...

How is not paying Kirk, changing directions again and likely setting up the trade for the flashy rookie considered anything other than winning off the field?

 

[j_y19]

You know what?.....the cynic in me is yelling that...making and saving money while in perpetual tailspin mode is the Bruce Allen/Dan Snyder comfort zone. Sure they give a little sumptin' sumptin every now and then to quiet the natives, winning anywhere than "off the field" is strange to them......sorry man. #noconfidence

I can understand your sentiments. But I really believe that dan wants, above almost all else, a SB trophy. I think he has always been a fan first. He just has never learned to hire the right guy to both check Dan's impulse too spend big on over the hill marquee names as well as build a team the methodical way, through the draft. In short, a true GM.

 

[Yo Tee]

What choice did they have? Stafford would have easily been paid that by the Browns or Jaguars. Again, worth is set by the market. IF you don't have a QB, you are the Cleveland Browns. Sell that to your fan base.

What's better? What the Lions and Redskins are going through which is always being so close and never really going anywhere or being the Browns who seems to have an actual team right now. Depending on how the Browns do this year, tanking for years and stockpiling draft picks might be the way to go for mediocre teams.

 

[Yo Tee]

So let me ask you...

How is not paying Kirk, changing directions again and likely setting up the trade for the flashy rookie considered anything other than winning off the field?

Sometimes, you gotta take chances. If you play it too safe for too long, you might never go anywhere. Look at Dallas last year. Look at the Patriots in 2001. Look at the Steelers in 2004. Look at the Colts in 2012. They all started rookie or first year QBs and it worked out for them.

 

[Stymietee]

So let me ask you...

How is not paying Kirk, changing directions again and likely setting up the trade for the flashy rookie considered anything other than winning off the field?

First, they ARE paying Kirk, just not the way some would like. If they are setting up that trade for a flashy rookie (which I doubt) then it's going to take the cooperation of Cousins himself towards his limited time here along with the utter stupidity in the front office to so poorly plan. All tolled that just might qualify as another episode in "Winning off the field."

 

[Sharkinva]

Sometimes, you gotta take chances. If you play it too safe for too long, you might never go anywhere. Look at Dallas last year. Look at the Patriots in 2001. Look at the Steelers in 2004. Look at the Colts in 2012. They all started rookie or first year QBs and it worked out for them.

For every one of those, there is an RG3, Leaf, Leftwich and the list goes on. The Redskins tried the sexy young rookie. And to a degree, we are in this spot because the team has been chasing the elite QB for the past 20 years, to the dismay of the rest of the roster. If this were still a 3-13 team, I might agree we need to make the move. But Kirk is not whats holding this team back, and he is a big part of why we arent 3-13 right now.

 

[j_y19]

What's better? What the Lions and Redskins are going through which is always being so close and never really going anywhere or being the Browns who seems to have an actual team right now. Depending on how the Browns do this year, tanking for years and stockpiling draft picks might be the way to go for mediocre teams.

And how has that strategy worked for the Browns over the last decade or so? The don't stockpile picks because they use them all on trying to find the next Rogers, which is fools gold. And your analysis that the reason why teams like the skins and lions are close but never there has little to do with their QB. Both teams have QBs that are talented passers. What has held them back is their defenses.

 

[Stymietee]

I can understand your sentiments. But I really believe that dan wants, above almost all else, a SB trophy. I think he has always been a fan first. He just has never learned to hire the right guy to both check Dan's impulse too spend big on over the hill marquee names as well as build a team the methodical way, through the draft. In short, a true GM.

rephrasing this line from the movie "Die hard" "You ask for miracles. Theo, I give you the F...B...I."

J_Y19, I give you Bruce Farkin' Allen"

 

[j_y19]

rephrasing this line from the movie "Die hard" "You ask for miracles. Theo, I give you the F...B...I."

J_Y19, I give you Bruce Farkin' Allen"

I'll pass. But he throws a mean homecoming party.

 

[Yo Tee]

For every one of those, there is an RG3, Leaf, Leftwich and the list goes on. The Redskins tried the sexy young rookie. And to a degree, we are in this spot because the team has been chasing the elite QB for the past 20 years, to the dismay of the rest of the roster. If this were still a 3-13 team, I might agree we need to make the move. But Kirk is not whats holding this team back, and he is a big part of why we arent 3-13 right now.

Kirk is the main reason you guys are not 3-13, 4-12 right now. Kirk however needs to bring the Redskins to a more prominent position in a playoff hunt in order to be seen as a very good QB. My opinions about Stafford are the same as well. In my opinion, those two are very similar when it comes to success and public view. Only die hard Redskins and Lions fans will see those two for what they probably really are. But the outside perspective is, if they had a fresher outlook at the QB spot, could they be a lot better then they actually are and maybe challenge for their division title year after year after year? If you keep doing the same old thing, you can't expect anything to really change. Throwing money at someone doesn't automatically make them better or the team better.

 

[Stymietee]

For every one of those, there is an RG3, Leaf, Leftwich and the list goes on. The Redskins tried the sexy young rookie. And to a degree, we are in this spot because the team has been chasing the elite QB for the past 20 years, to the dismay of the rest of the roster. If this were still a 3-13 team, I might agree we need to make the move. But Kirk is not whats holding this team back, and he is a big part of why we arent 3-13 right now.

There's genius in always being in constant upgrade mode here are a few.....1. You NEVER take chances on hyped talent but instead, focus and make comparisons against what you already have. 2. You NEVER have to empty the cupboard before you make moves to replace. 3. It creates competition and adds trade value to your team. 4. You NEVER waste draft picks on lesser talent (See: Sudfeld, sorry @coach_spurrier_1) 5. In case some want to go here, you have 3 (possibly 4) years on the rookie contract to properly transition him into the NFL game. Not that you'll need it because you've selected a talent already comparable to what you already have.

 

[Yo Tee]

And how has that strategy worked for the Browns over the last decade or so? The don't stockpile picks because they use them all on trying to find the next Rogers, which is fools gold. And your analysis that the reason why teams like the skins and lions are close but never there has little to do with their QB. Both teams have QBs that are talented passers. What has held them back is their defenses.

The 2017 Browns are the best looking the Browns have looked since 2007. The Browns took all these picks they got, looks like they've picked the right guys at the right position and are taking a chance on rookie DeShone Kizer. You gotta take chances in order to be able to evolve. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" only works if it was NEVER BROKEN to begin with. Browns have been broken for 15 years now. Seems like they are finally getting things together. Redskins were broken, they healed up a little bit over the last 2 years but it's still a little bit broken. Same with the Lions. You're right, it has only little to do with the QB. I'd be foolish to think that. But I've seen over the last 10-15 years how a QB can change the landscape of a franchise and I can't help but think that both the Lions and Redskins are just settling for Cousins and Stafford because, well, it's better than what they had before.

Here's a serious question. How many more 8-8 and 9-7 seasons are Redskins fans going to put up with if they just barely make the playoffs, only to lose in the first round, until the "Cut Kirk Cousins" talk starts up? Especially if he's making $25-27 mil a year.

 

[skinsdad62]

ok Terry , i asked this before of you and you didnt answer , who is the replacement ? give me names and numbers same with the draft picks

you seem to think KC has topped out , i say he is moving upward . 3 years ago we were 4-12 today we are coming off back to back winning seasons and a playoff berth . if the defensive upgrade prove out we should be in the playoff hunt again . another good draft and we should be starting to get some consistency

 

[Yo Tee]

ok Terry , i asked this before of you and you didnt answer , who is the replacement ? give me names and numbers same with the draft picks

you seem to think KC has topped out , i say he is moving upward . 3 years ago we were 4-12 today we are coming off back to back winning seasons and a playoff berth . if the defensive upgrade prove out we should be in the playoff hunt again . another good draft and we should be starting to get some consistency

I did answer you. The best thing for the Redskins to do is to sign Cousins because going to the draft is too risky and there are no good free agent QBs next year aside from Drew Brees.

 

[skinsdad62]

I did answer you. The best thing for the Redskins to do is to sign Cousins because going to the draft is too risky and there are no good free agent QBs next year aside from Drew Brees.

then why go on and on when the skins should keep the best option they have ? you said sign KC , ok so other then paying him market value the choice is pick another guy "take a risk " as you say

i can give you a list of guys , AJ , grap, brees , . thats the pool you have , and the draft will cost us in a trade

so why go on about KC 's contract price when the other options are a step back ?

 

[Yo Tee]

then why go on and on when the skins should keep the best option they have ? you said sign KC , ok so other then paying him market value the choice is pick another guy "take a risk " as you say

i can give you a list of guys , AJ , grap, brees , . thats the pool you have , and the draft will cost us in a trade

so why go on about KC 's contract price when the other options are a step back ?

Because he's not worth that much. The other options aren't steps back, they are risks that might backfire and are unrealistic. The thing you are forgetting is with a stellar QB comes stellar weapons. DeSean decided to go to Tampa Bay because of the potential of Jameis Winston. Good QBs bring in good help. You think Antonio Brown would stay in Pittsburgh if Big Ben wasn't as good as he is? If you don't sign Cousins, you either sign someone in Free Agency, best bets are Jimmy Garoppolo, Drew Brees or Teddy Bridgewater, or you somehow find a way to trade up in the draft and get a guy like Sam Darnold or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. But any option you take other than signing Kirk Cousins is a huge risk. Sometimes, they payoff. Sometimes they throw you back down where you started. You'll never know how it will go until you do it. Me personally, with the opinion that Kirk Cousins isn't worth what he's making, I would look towards the draft or free agency with the knowledge that this move will go one of two ways. It will backfire and set us back for a while, or it will payoff and the snowball affect starts-a-rollin' downhill, gaining momentum until maybe, in 2 or 3 years, the Redskins are NFC East champs again and might actually win a playoff game.

 

[skinsdad62]

Because he's not worth that much. The other options aren't steps back, they are risks that might backfire and are unrealistic. The thing you are forgetting is with a stellar QB comes stellar weapons. DeSean decided to go to Tampa Bay because of the potential of Jameis Winston. Good QBs bring in good help. You think Antonio Brown would stay in Pittsburgh if Big Ben wasn't as good as he is? If you don't sign Cousins, you either sign someone in Free Agency, best bets are Jimmy Garoppolo, Drew Brees or Teddy Bridgewater, or you somehow find a way to trade up in the draft and get a guy like Sam Darnold or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. But any option you take other than signing Kirk Cousins is a huge risk. Sometimes, they payoff. Sometimes they throw you back down where you started. You'll never know how it will go until you do it. Me personally, with the opinion that Kirk Cousins isn't worth what he's making, I would look towards the draft or free agency with the knowledge that this move will go one of two ways. It will backfire and set us back for a while, or it will payoff and the snowball affect starts-a-rollin' downhill, gaining momentum until maybe, in 2 or 3 years, the Redskins are NFC East champs again and might actually win a playoff game.

and why do that with a QB who has you on the verge of being a consistent playoff team ? why risk a 1 in 5 chance of hitting on a qb who might do what you have already ?

 

[Yo Tee]

and why do that with a QB who has you on the verge of being a consistent playoff team ? why risk a 1 in 5 chance of hitting on a qb who might do what you have already ?

On the verge of being a consistent playoff team is where you really wanna be? Or do you want to be a consistent division title contender? Because that risk you take might make you a perennial division title contender with a possible playoff win for the first time in 10 years. Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Russell Wilson, they've all dramatically changed the outlook of their franchise immediately. Like I said it's a huge risk but a possible huge reward.

 

[Sharkinva]

On the verge of being a consistent playoff team is where you really wanna be? Or do you want to be a consistent division title contender? Because that risk you take might make you a perennial division title contender with a possible playoff win for the first time in 10 years. Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Russell Wilson, they've all dramatically changed the outlook of their franchise immediately. Like I said it's a huge risk but a possible huge reward.

I love how the fact that this team has been chasing elite factors not one iota into your logic. Again Kirk is not whats holding this team back. Making the move to chase elite and the cost that it entails is a Bruce Allen winning off the field move plain and simple. Tom, Ben, Eli and Russell ALL walked into teams with solid to fucking Stellar defenses, as well as solid to above average running games. If the only reason you ditch Cousins is because it MIGHT land you an elite QB and you will save a few cap dollars... Thats winning off the field.

 

[Yo Tee]

I love how the fact that this team has been chasing elite factors not one iota into your logic. Again Kirk is not whats holding this team back. Making the move to chase elite and the cost that it entails is a Bruce Allen winning off the field move plain and simple. Tom, Ben, Eli and Russell ALL walked into teams with solid to fucking Stellar defenses, as well as solid to above average running games. If the only reason you ditch Cousins is because it MIGHT land you an elite QB and you will save a few cap dollars... Thats winning off the field.

Like I said, if you're okay with being a fringe playoff team, that's completely fine. But after a while, that's gonna leave a sour taste in fans mouths and the first person to go will be the Head Coach, the 2nd person to go will be the QB. Then they will make some changes to the rest of the team. That's the nature of the sport. And yeah, it's a huge risk, like I've said, but it's a risk that has paid off in the past.

The 2015 Dallas Cowboys defense was ranked 16th in ppg allowed.
The 2016 Dallas Cowboys start rookie QB Dak Prescott and finish 13-3

The 2000 New England Patriots defense was ranked 17th in ppg allowed
The 2001 New England Patriots start QB Tom Brady and finish 11-5 with a Super Bowl

The 2003 Pittsburgh Steelers defense was ranked 15th in ppg allowed.
The 2004 Pittsburgh Steelers start rookie QB Ben Roethlisberger and finish 15-1

The 2011 Seattle Seahawks defense was ranked 7th but their offense was ranked 23rd in ppg
The 2012 Seattle Seahawks start rookie QB Russell Wilson and their offense was ranked 9th and finished 11-5.

No, they didn't have horrible defenses, but they had middle of the pack defenses when they were thrown into the starting QB role. The Redskins defense was ranked 19th in PPG allowed last year. Middle of the pack as well.