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[sonnyblack65]

So because it's not a problem in RI, it's a problem nowhere?

I'm sure it is more common in bigger inner cities like Detroit, LA, Chicago etc. Some of these places are a war zone and I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a cop. When these perpetrators are are on the influence of drugs, all bets are off of what they are going to do, usually paranoia sets in. Cop wants to ask a question and in their mind they are going to prison and shit goes down

 

[chf]

I'm sure it is more common in bigger inner cities like Detroit, LA, Chicago etc. Some of these places are a war zone and I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a cop. When these perpetrators are are on the influence of drugs, all bets are off of what they are going to do, usually paranoia sets in. Cop wants to ask a question and in their mind they are going to prison and shit goes down

And sure, there's LOTS of good cops, and LOTS of bad actors that they deal with.

Doesn't change that there's plenty of examples of cops who do bad things. But sure, US cops have a tough job, we're essentially sending them into war zones (and that's NOT just inner cities) because half of all Americans are armed. So we expect them to be soldiers, and yet expect them to serve and protect too.

Just a theory I've had for a while, (could be 100% wrong), but I'm betting that a LOT of places have trouble finding people to BE cops for the meh pay, so they have to take people they'd normally screen out with their psych evals.

I bounced with lots of guys like that - guys who LIKED to be confrontational, liked the power. Thankfully in Canada those types usually can't get within a mile of gainful employment with a badge and a gun.

Even then Canada has problems with cops shooting people.

 

[sonnyblack65]

And sure, there's LOTS of good cops, and LOTS of bad actors that they deal with.

Doesn't change that there's plenty of examples of cops who do bad things. But sure, US cops have a tough job, we're essentially sending them into war zones (and that's NOT just inner cities) because half of all Americans are armed. So we expect them to be soldiers, and yet expect them to serve and protect too.

Just a theory I've had for a while, (could be 100% wrong), but I'm betting that a LOT of places have trouble finding people to BE cops for the meh pay, so they have to take people they'd normally screen out with their psych evals.

I bounced with lots of guys like that - guys who LIKED to be confrontational, liked the power. Thankfully in Canada those types usually can't get within a mile of gainful employment with a badge and a gun.

Even then Canada has problems with cops shooting people.

Listen CHF we had plenty of cops on the take. We gave them money and they gave us info and heads up. Money is tempting for them when they are making 1000-1500 a week and mobsters and drug dealers ar making ten fold. They drink, do drugs they confiscate, have hookers have sex or lock them up etc, they are humans with all the temptations, but I don' think for 1 second they want to shoot or kill someone. About 85% of them have never fired their gun in a situation

 

[sonnyblack65]

Because the only way you can kill someone is with a gun, right?

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Suspect Attempts to Run Over 3 Phoenix Officers With Car

And surprisingly after he tried to kill 3 cops w/o a gun oh my, they didn't shoot and kill him, but arrested him. These cops are slipping and making themselves look bad

How come nobody wants to bring up the 2 NY cops ambushed and killed for no reason or the 5 Texas cops killed or, or etc etc . Sure accidents have and some very tragic, don't be a criminal and you probably won't get shot simple. We had some crackheads a few days ago, do a home invasion, tie up the elderly couple, stab the guy just for some $$$ and jewelry. They had a knife so don't shoot Officer

 

[Broncos6482]

So, if you feel threatened AS AN ARMED POLICE OFFICER by a man approaching you with no apparent weapon, you are free to shoot him in the chest? The rest of the world isn't as ass-backwards as Florida.

Being armed is only good so far as you're willing to use it. As for having no apparent weapon, did you know it's possible to conceal all kinds of weapons? It's true. Look it up.

 

[Manster7588]

That is correct

Suspect Attempts to Run Over 3 Phoenix Officers With Car

And surprisingly after he tried to kill 3 cops w/o a gun oh my, they didn't shoot and kill him, but arrested him. These cops are slipping and making themselves look bad

How come nobody wants to bring up the 2 NY cops ambushed and killed for no reason or the 5 Texas cops killed or, or etc etc . Sure accidents have and some very tragic, don't be a criminal and you probably won't get shot simple. We had some crackheads a few days ago, do a home invasion, tie up the elderly couple, stab the guy just for some $$$ and jewelry. They had a knife so don't shoot Officer

Or the two Las Vegas cops killed while eating lunch, the cop killed in Maryland during a routine traffic stop when the prep had a shotgun positioned in the driver's door to kill as he popped the door open. Criminals have long ago declared war on the police.

 

[shopson67]

Being armed is only good so far as you're willing to use it. As for having no apparent weapon, did you know it's possible to conceal all kinds of weapons? It's true. Look it up.

It's also legal to carry concealed firearms in many states. Does that allow you to shoot a licensed owner that is carrying? Policemen aren't supposed to be judge and jury.

 

[shopson67]

I wasn't deflecting...sorry you interpreted it as such. I was sincerely wondering if he'd respect the constitutional civil rights of his teammates and other fellow athletes around the league in their protest...or if he'd be vocally against their collective stance.

FTR: I have no problem whatsoever with Kaep or any of the other players organizing thru peaceful civil protest to bring one of our time's injustices more into focus as far as public discourse and furthering the conversation goes, if it helps to find solutions somehow.

There are many veterans that have come out in support of Kaep's right to protest. Sure, there are those that oppose as well. That's all part of the freedom that this country allows.

 

[Broncos6482]

They ALL should've been charged with murder, in these cases and many others. The problem is, too many of them are getting off.

Eric Garner would be alive today if the strangling officer cared if he lived or died.

Maybe, maybe not. Garner had a lot of health problems which is why the chokehold contributed to his death but wasn't ruled to be the cause. That's why the officer wasn't charged.

As for Rice, again, I agree the grand jury dropped the ball on that one. The other two, one has been charged and the other still might be.

See the reason these cops are put on paid leave is to give time for the investigation to play out. That's just common sense. When Kaepernick says things like "people are getting paid leave and getting away with murder" he's demonstrating an incredible ignorance with how the system works. The sad reality is sometimes police officers have to kill someone in the line of duty. Sometimes it's justified, sometimes it's not. It's not like these cops are getting a paid vacation and a pat on the back for killing someone.

But I'm not surprised that someone who rails against oppression in America while wearing a Fidel Castro t-shirt would actually be ignorant of what he's talking about. Kaepernick strikes me as a guy who's heart is the right place, but who's head needs some serious education on subject he's so passionate about.

 

[cdumler7]

And sure, there's LOTS of good cops, and LOTS of bad actors that they deal with.

Doesn't change that there's plenty of examples of cops who do bad things. But sure, US cops have a tough job, we're essentially sending them into war zones (and that's NOT just inner cities) because half of all Americans are armed. So we expect them to be soldiers, and yet expect them to serve and protect too.

Just a theory I've had for a while, (could be 100% wrong), but I'm betting that a LOT of places have trouble finding people to BE cops for the meh pay, so they have to take people they'd normally screen out with their psych evals.

I bounced with lots of guys like that - guys who LIKED to be confrontational, liked the power. Thankfully in Canada those types usually can't get within a mile of gainful employment with a badge and a gun.

Even then Canada has problems with cops shooting people.

I was actually in the interview process to become a police officer but got a great job offer elsewhere so dropped out. While going through the interview process I was testing out really well but they said that one of the problems was that my record was too clean. They wanted me to have at least an assault charge on my record. He asked me to go punch the guy sitting at the table next to me just to prove that I'm not afraid to fight.

So it is not just that they can't get the right type of candidates...it is more they have some police departments that continually choose people known for having aggressive behaviors over those who would better work to deescalate the situation. They know they need to get away from the old school mentality but the problem is the people making the decisions are the guys who have been there for 25-30 years and still want the good ol boys that they have been on the force with for those years.

 

[Broncos6482]

It's also legal to carry concealed firearms in many states. Does that allow you to shoot a licensed owner that is carrying? Policemen aren't supposed to be judge and jury.

I don't have a target on my back like a lot of police officers have, but yes, if I felt that someone was threatening me or my family, I would shoot them.

 

[shopson67]

That is correct

Suspect Attempts to Run Over 3 Phoenix Officers With Car

And surprisingly after he tried to kill 3 cops w/o a gun oh my, they didn't shoot and kill him, but arrested him. These cops are slipping and making themselves look bad

How come nobody wants to bring up the 2 NY cops ambushed and killed for no reason or the 5 Texas cops killed or, or etc etc . Sure accidents have and some very tragic, don't be a criminal and you probably won't get shot simple. We had some crackheads a few days ago, do a home invasion, tie up the elderly couple, stab the guy just for some $$$ and jewelry. They had a knife so don't shoot Officer

It's a different issue. Nobody condones killing the police, this discussion is about deaths of unarmed suspects, predominantly people of color. SUSPECTS; they're not CRIMINALS until the courts decide so. Police are not judge and jury (and executioner).

 

[chf]

Listen CHF we had plenty of cops on the take. We gave them money and they gave us info and heads up. Money is tempting for them when they are making 1000-1500 a week and mobsters and drug dealers ar making ten fold. They drink, do drugs they confiscate, have hookers have sex or lock them up etc, they are humans with all the temptations, but I don' think for 1 second they want to shoot or kill someone. About 85% of them have never fired their gun in a situation

I've known some cops too. Yep, humans just like all of us (that's the point), and they're required BY LAW to respond to all situations where they're needed. Domestic calls are the situations most likely to end up with a dead cop. They HAVE to respond to those. They HAVE to enter the home, KNOWING that there's a 50 % chance (or better) that there's a gun in the home.

So while a soldier's ROE would tell them NOT to do something stupid, we tell our cops they MUST do stupid stuff.

So is it any wonder that cops are strung way too tight in America? That they shoot sometimes when they don't have to? Nope. That's why the best police forces use special training to TEACH cops about de-escalation.

As for the second to last sentence, c'mon now. Don't bullshvt. Feel free to read up on total institutions if you like. Police, military, prison guards, religious cults. They all ATTRACT certain types of individuals. People who LIKE to hold power over other people. This is pretty basic stuff. All of these organizations try to screen out people with personalities like this. Because with a gun and a badge they just make horrible employees.

I'd say about 20$ of the bouncers I worked with were these types of guys - they LIKED conflict, they LIKED fighting. It was a GOOD night if they got to fight.

I bounced for two years in the biggest college bar in NA,and never threw a punch. Why? Because I was 'good cop.' Just agree with people and they do what you want them to do... easy. 'Yep, I know it's not fair you've got a table full of drinks still, but it's closing time, and i need you to move to the door. If it was up to me, I'd let you sit and finish all of them. Rules man, rules...'

Now it's damn easy to stir up a redneck with 14 Budweisers in him. And those 20% would do that. Hard to weed them out because they can claim the redneck started it, AND because there's a code of keeping your mouth shut about your co-workers. (that sounds familiar).

Is the % as high with the cops? Dunno. Like I say, most places that hire cops have psych evaluations to weed out those guys. So I could see it being less. But how many cops are there in the US? So even if the number is 10%, that's a LOT of cops who get off on power.

Now having written that wall of text, you'd still have a LOT of shootings just because cops are scared shvtless (fight or flight response) regularly.

I wouldn't want to be a cop.

 

[MISKO]

There are many veterans that have come out in support of Kaep's right to protest. Sure, there are those that oppose as well. That's all part of the freedom that this country allows.

as a vet i would still protect his right to protest .. but I also feel that it is disrespectful as hell the way he is going about it ,there are other ways to make your point and get your message out to people

 

[Broncos6482]

I was actually in the interview process to become a police officer but got a great job offer elsewhere so dropped out. While going through the interview process I was testing out really well but they said that one of the problems was that my record was too clean. They wanted me to have at least an assault charge on my record. He asked me to go punch the guy sitting at the table next to me just to prove that I'm not afraid to fight.

So it is not just that they can't get the right type of candidates...it is more they have some police departments that continually choose people known for having aggressive behaviors over those who would better work to deescalate the situation. They know they need to get away from the old school mentality but the problem is the people making the decisions are the guys who have been there for 25-30 years and still want the good ol boys that they have been on the force with for those years.

My brother in law was also in the process of becoming a police officer. He was eventually denied because he came back so clean they were convinced he was lying about something.

 

[Broncos6482]

It's a different issue. Nobody condones killing the police, this discussion is about deaths of unarmed suspects, predominantly people of color. SUSPECTS; they're not CRIMINALS until the courts decide so. Police are not judge and jury (and executioner).

Then listen to the cops and let the courts sort it out. Too many people break out the tough guy act with cops, and then they wonder why the cops get more aggressive in dealing with them. Listen to the cops, be respectful, do what they say, and odds are you're going to make it out ok.

 

[chf]

I was actually in the interview process to become a police officer but got a great job offer elsewhere so dropped out. While going through the interview process I was testing out really well but they said that one of the problems was that my record was too clean. They wanted me to have at least an assault charge on my record. He asked me to go punch the guy sitting at the table next to me just to prove that I'm not afraid to fight.

So it is not just that they can't get the right type of candidates...it is more they have some police departments that continually choose people known for having aggressive behaviors over those who would better work to deescalate the situation. They know they need to get away from the old school mentality but the problem is the people making the decisions are the guys who have been there for 25-30 years and still want the good ol boys that they have been on the force with for those years.

Wow, see now that's fvcked up.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I was actually in the interview process to become a police officer but got a great job offer elsewhere so dropped out. While going through the interview process I was testing out really well but they said that one of the problems was that my record was too clean. They wanted me to have at least an assault charge on my record. He asked me to go punch the guy sitting at the table next to me just to prove that I'm not afraid to fight.

So it is not just that they can't get the right type of candidates...it is more they have some police departments that continually choose people known for having aggressive behaviors over those who would better work to deescalate the situation. They know they need to get away from the old school mentality but the problem is the people making the decisions are the guys who have been there for 25-30 years and still want the good ol boys that they have been on the force with for those years.

Wow.

 

[chf]

I wasn't deflecting...sorry you interpreted it as such. I was sincerely wondering if he'd respect the constitutional civil rights of his teammates and other fellow athletes around the league in their protest...or if he'd be vocally against their collective stance.

FTR: I have no problem whatsoever with Kaep or any of the other players organizing thru peaceful civil protest to bring one of our time's injustices more into focus as far as public discourse and furthering the conversation goes, if it helps to find solutions somehow.

Kap met with Nate Boyer, who tried out for the Seahawks as a long-snapper. Boyer supports the protest, has issues with the way he did it, but supports it. Ex Green Beret.

 

[cdumler7]

My brother in law was also in the process of becoming a police officer. He was eventually denied because he came back so clean they were convinced he was lying about something.

I was told that my score was one of the highest they had ever seen but they didn't think I was a good fit with what they were looking for. They told me that my clean record and Christian background were two major strikes against me as a candidate. So while my score was so high they couldn't actually tell me they wouldn't hire me they told me that I would never fully make it through. They said they were looking for people who could problem solve and show compassion to help deescalate situations instead of instigate it like they were running into but like I said they say that but don't really want it.

Honestly what would be best for them is to bring in a civilian to be a part of the interview process to see who would also work good with the public not just cops looking for people who are exactly like them.