Sponsor dumps Brandon Marshall

[Cyder]

Holy hell.

Guy was not in the greatest of health. Should have just taken the arrest like the other 30 something times he'd been arrested.

 

[chf]

Guy was not in the greatest of health. Should have just taken the arrest like the other 30 something times he'd been arrested.

You're going to strain something with that logic.

 

[Cyder]

You're going to strain something with that logic.

It's all in the coroners report. All his health issues were contributing factors as was "compression" meaning all the cops piled up on him. The choke hold was also a factor but no more than the other factors.
So at the end of the day his resisting arrest set into motion a series of events that led to his death. The officer in charge of the scene was responsible IMO opinion and going after the choke hold guy was a crock and destined to fail in court and sure enough it did. The Sgt was never charged and finally fired long after the fact.

 

[chf]

It's all in the coroners report. All his health issues were contributing factors as was "compression" meaning all the cops piled up on him. The choke hold was also a factor but no more than the other factors.
So at the end of the day his resisting arrest set into motion a series of events that led to his death. The officer in charge of the scene was responsible IMO opinion and going after the choke hold guy was a crock and destined to fail in court and sure enough it did. The Sgt was never charged and finally fired long after the fact.

White or black, your % chance of prosecuting cops for shooting people are very very low.

Man dies after being shot by police in northeast motel room

This was a white guy in my city with a heroin problem who was having a bad trip and didn't put down the syringe he was holding, so a cop emptied his gun into him. Not guilty.

But my difficulty with what you posted is that the guy being FAT has absolutely NO bearing on whether the cops should or should not have escalated his situation.

If it makes any difference, I don't see this as NECESSARILY a black v. white issue, to me it's more a class issue. In Canada, it's natives who are disproportionately shot and killed by cops.

The point that people in this thread are missing is that we SHOULD expect a higher threshold for the behavior of law enforcement. We SHOULD expect our children to feel safe going to a cop, instead of feeling afraid OF the cops.

Someone posted waaaay upthread about how low these incidents are in Boston, because of community policing initiatives.

There's TONS of improvements that can and should be made.

Saying that there's NO problem is just as ridiculous as those saying that ALL cops are bad.

You're denying that there's a problem. That's ridiculous. You want to argue that people are taking the wrong tack in addressing it? That's a reasonable discussion to have. But saying there's NO problem is absurd.

 

[RobBase]

Every time one of these neanderthals goes on TV and does something stupid, all it does it rile up the brothers. The very next day there are easily influenced blacks going out looking for fights with the cops. The stories my neighbor cop buddy tells me (shit that never makes the news) is INSANE. I'm talking, guys punching it past a cop on purpose to get pulled over, then getting caught with tons of guns and ammo, with girlfriends screaming "KILL HIM! KILL HIM!" just for pulling them over. Guess what happens to them? The media and these athletes stirring the pot is WAAAY scarier than any cops these black people might run into.

 

[L.Freamon]

don't throw that word around improperly like 99.999% of the country does. i was simply saying black people in general usually do the wrong thing in these situations. how that somehow translates to "i hate all black people" is perplexing.

welp, "dumbass" won't go unrepresented in this convo. Takes all kinds to make the world go round.

 

[L.Freamon]

Russell Simmons Offers Brandon Marshall an Endorsement Deal

"Which other company is supporting Brandon? It says two endorsements," Simmons asked followers, before jumping the gun on a possible partnership. "RUSHCARD is in. We will find Brandon and make him an offer and make him a deal."

 

[Manster7588]

Piss poor cop, not racism.

Piss poor cop yes, as for racism we can't say one way or another. That's my biggest issue with BLM that they try to paint every case as racism, when there's no proof either way.
There are unfit cops just like there are teacjers, doctors, lawyers and politicians, but just being bad at you job doesn't make you a racist.

 

[_phiLLies_]

rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/
noun

1. 1.
   a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

cool. still doesn't apply to what i said. feel free to keep trying though.

 

[_phiLLies_]

welp, "dumbass" won't go unrepresented in this convo. Takes all kinds to make the world go round.

name calling is always the first sign of "i have nothing logical to counter with, so i'll just go there."

 

[shopson67]

The point of the training was to not shoot the person. However, if you think it's that simple to tell if someone is armed or not, you are ridiculously naive.

But let's say the person is unarmed, at what point is it ok to shoot someone who is much larger than you, won't listen to you, is clearly angry, and is approaching you in an aggressive manor? Should you wait until that person is beating you and trying to take your gun before it's ok to shoot them? Or should you wait until they have control of your gun and actually fire a shot at you before it's ok to shoot back at them?

So, if you feel threatened AS AN ARMED POLICE OFFICER by a man approaching you with no apparent weapon, you are free to shoot him in the chest? The rest of the world isn't as ass-backwards as Florida.

 

[shopson67]

cool. still doesn't apply to what i said. feel free to keep trying though.

You are judging a whole race of people as inferior in that, according to you, "they" always make bad decisions.

 

[shopson67]

Piss poor cop, not racism.

Race is not necessarily the point here; it's terrible cops that need to be off the force. However, try to find examples of these things happening to white people. They must be out there, but there seems to be many more against a small minority of the country. Do you think this idiot cop shoots this man if he were a similarly flabby white guy? The inate fear of colored people in these examples is a form of racism.

 

[shopson67]

I wonder what the late Pat Tillman's take on all of this would've been......

The guy that was killed by his own troops? I'm guessing he's still too bewildered by what happened to him.

The deflection tactic of trying to make this about the troops misses the point altogether. These protests have NOTHING to do with the troops clearly. But hey, go ahead and mold your argument in a way that you can try to make a point, no matter how unrelated. Hello, Mr StrawMan!

 

[shopson67]

Eric Garner would be alive today if he had complied with police.

Tamir Rice is a terrible tragedy, and IMO dispatch blew it by not telling the officers that the caller said the gun was "probably fake" and that he was a "juvenile." However, I do agree that the grand jury probably blew it by not indicting.

The Philando Castile shooting is still being investigated. Considering it took place just barely two months ago, I'm not sure what else could reasonably be expected at this point.

The guy that shot Walter Scott has been charged with murder and is awaiting trial which is scheduled to begin next month.

They ALL should've been charged with murder, in these cases and many others. The problem is, too many of them are getting off.

Eric Garner would be alive today if the strangling officer cared if he lived or died.

 

[sonnyblack65]

White or black, your % chance of prosecuting cops for shooting people are very very low.

Man dies after being shot by police in northeast motel room

This was a white guy in my city with a heroin problem who was having a bad trip and didn't put down the syringe he was holding, so a cop emptied his gun into him. Not guilty.

But my difficulty with what you posted is that the guy being FAT has absolutely NO bearing on whether the cops should or should not have escalated his situation.

If it makes any difference, I don't see this as NECESSARILY a black v. white issue, to me it's more a class issue. In Canada, it's natives who are disproportionately shot and killed by cops.

The point that people in this thread are missing is that we SHOULD expect a higher threshold for the behavior of law enforcement. We SHOULD expect our children to feel safe going to a cop, instead of feeling afraid OF the cops.

Someone posted waaaay upthread about how low these incidents are in Boston, because of community policing initiatives.

There's TONS of improvements that can and should be made.

Saying that there's NO problem is just as ridiculous as those saying that ALL cops are bad.

You're denying that there's a problem. That's ridiculous. You want to argue that people are taking the wrong tack in addressing it? That's a reasonable discussion to have. But saying there's NO problem is absurd.

In RI where I am we have 0 death by cops in a very long time, and when it happened the white dude deserved it, wouldn't put his weapon down. Nobody here is afraid going to cops for help, that's a crock of BS, but maybe in Canada it's that way.

 

[chf]

In RI where I am we have 0 death by cops in a very long time, and when it happened the white dude deserved it, wouldn't put his weapon down. Nobody here is afraid going to cops for help, that's a crock of BS, but maybe in Canada it's that way.

So because it's not a problem in RI, it's a problem nowhere?

 

[sonnyblack65]

Every time one of these neanderthals goes on TV and does something stupid, all it does it rile up the brothers. The very next day there are easily influenced blacks going out looking for fights with the cops. The stories my neighbor cop buddy tells me (shit that never makes the news) is INSANE. I'm talking, guys punching it past a cop on purpose to get pulled over, then getting caught with tons of guns and ammo, with girlfriends screaming "KILL HIM! KILL HIM!" just for pulling them over. Guess what happens to them? The media and these athletes stirring the pot is WAAAY scarier than any cops these black people might run into.

Sure when they have jerkoffs racists like Sharpton and Jackson that want to fight the good fight as long it's for an AA. I'l never forget WATTS riots or when they gave Rodney King a beating ( all the cops should of got fired and prosecuted, if they didn't) i'll never forgot a truck driver getting yanked out of his truck and smashed over the head with a brick or huge rock wtf that have to do with cops?

 

[sonnyblack65]

The guy that was killed by his own troops? I'm guessing he's still too bewildered by what happened to him.

The deflection tactic of trying to make this about the troops misses the point altogether. These protests have NOTHING to do with the troops clearly. But hey, go ahead and mold your argument in a way that you can try to make a point, no matter how unrelated. Hello, Mr StrawMan!

He is still bewildered? Show some respect, this guy left the NFL and $$$ to fight for our lives, while that cocksucker Kap is to lazy to stand

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

The guy that was killed by his own troops? I'm guessing he's still too bewildered by what happened to him.

The deflection tactic of trying to make this about the troops misses the point altogether. These protests have NOTHING to do with the troops clearly. But hey, go ahead and mold your argument in a way that you can try to make a point, no matter how unrelated. Hello, Mr StrawMan!

I wasn't deflecting...sorry you interpreted it as such. I was sincerely wondering if he'd respect the constitutional civil rights of his teammates and other fellow athletes around the league in their protest...or if he'd be vocally against their collective stance.

FTR: I have no problem whatsoever with Kaep or any of the other players organizing thru peaceful civil protest to bring one of our time's injustices more into focus as far as public discourse and furthering the conversation goes, if it helps to find solutions somehow.