Series Thread: Sox vs Cubs

[Jiddy]

I'm also almost ready to remove Keuchel completely from the rotation altogether and replace him with Lopez. Not quite ready, but getting there.

Boy have you lost yo goddamned mind?!?

 

[Mingo]

Boy have you lost yo goddamned mind?!?

8 intangible RBIs will do that to a person!

 

[idseer]

I kinda am, but the main reason is to take Keuchel out of the pressure of starting. He seems to have lost all confidence. Give him a few outings in the pen, see how he handles it. He can always be thrown back in the rotation if/when he gets his act together.

fact is, it's just possible he's just getting old. he no longer has pinpoint control and that's death to his kind of pitching.
some pitchers remain effective into their 40's and some start downhill in their early 30's and you never know which ones will. kimbrel may also be one of these. right now i have little confidence in keuchel. he probably still has some good days in him but it may only be 1 out of 3 games.

 

[Jiddy]

8 intangible RBIs will do that to a person!

I still say it’s his fault for not having a 90 inch vertical in the first inning.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

Boy have you lost yo goddamned mind?!?

You still think he belongs in the rotation?

 

[Jiddy]

You still think he belongs in the rotation?

These games don’t matter so I’ll place my bet on Keuchel figuring it out moreso than Lopez. If he doesn’t then he’s out of the playoff rotation.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

These games don’t matter so I’ll place my bet on Keuchel figuring it out moreso than Lopez. If he doesn’t then he’s out of the playoff rotation.

So let him figure it out while pitching out of the pen. You're talking about a guy who has gotten continuously worse, then at home can't make it thru the 2nd inning while pitching to a bunch of AAA batters. Meanwhile the one you say can't figure it out as well just threw 5 scoreless innings, had 7 Ks, no BB, with 40 of his 59 pitches as strikes. Yeah, some figuring he needs to do.

 

[Jiddy]

You still think he belongs in the rotation?

To rephrase: Would you consider starting Lopez in a playoff game over any other of Lynn/Rodon/Giolito/Cease? I wouldn’t. But “right” Keuchel I would…thus better to give him a chance to figure it out than waste time on Lopez.

 

[Jiddy]

So let him figure it out while pitching out of the pen. You're talking about a guy who has gotten continuously worse, then at home can't make it thru the 2nd inning while pitching to a bunch of AAA batters. Meanwhile the one you say can't figure it out as well just threw 5 scoreless innings, had 7 Ks, no BB, with 40 of his 59 pitches as strikes. Yeah, some figuring he needs to do.

The dude will garbage out when the pressure is on. He has zero pressure right now. He is exactly the kind of pitcher a winning team does not want.

 

[Mingo]

This section of the season is a kind of notorious dead arm part of the journey - made a little worse - since only 60 games were played last season.

Sox hitters heat up with the weather and Sox pitches get better when it cools down in the fall.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

To rephrase: Would you consider starting Lopez in a playoff game over any other of Lynn/Rodon/Giolito/Cease? I wouldn’t. But “right” Keuchel I would…thus better to give him a chance to figure it out than waste time on Lopez.

No and please point out where I said I wanted Lopez to start in a playoff game. But yes, I am now completely, 100% for Keuchel not starting in the playoffs. The only way I want him out there is if he PROVES he belongs back in the rotation. Right now, he's just plain garbage.

 

[Jiddy]

No and please point out where I said I wanted Lopez to start in a playoff game. But yes, I am now completely, 100% for Keuchel not starting in the playoffs. The only way I want him out there is if he PROVES he belongs back in the rotation. Right now, he's just plain garbage.

I’m with you. If he continues we can’t start him in a playoff game. F that.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

The dude will garbage out when the pressure is on. He has zero pressure right now. He is exactly the kind of pitcher a winning team does not want.

Sooooooooo, Keuchel, with that same zero pressure, garbages out. But that's ok. Got it.

 

[Jiddy]

Sooooooooo, Keuchel, with that same zero pressure, garbages out. But that's ok. Got it.

Keuchel has a much longer history of success to bank on than Lopez and that’s not even a question.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

Keuchel has a much longer history of success to bank on than Lopez and that’s not even a question.

No argument there. But past performance has diddly squat on what have you done for us lately.

 

[ChiSoxFan]

Just got my Topps TA Field of Dreams cards today. Ah, the memories.

 

[msgkings322]

Just got my Topps TA Field of Dreams cards today. Ah, the memories.

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Wow that takes me back...

 

[Mingo]

Welcome to your nightly 6-0 Cub's lead....

 

[ChiSoxFan]

I don’t like this game.

 

[richig07]

fact is, it's just possible he's just getting old. he no longer has pinpoint control and that's death to his kind of pitching.
some pitchers remain effective into their 40's and some start downhill in their early 30's and you never know which ones will. kimbrel may also be one of these. right now i have little confidence in keuchel. he probably still has some good days in him but it may only be 1 out of 3 games.

Fact is... he's had this happen multiple times in his career and always bounces back. He didn't get old overnight. He's leaving his pitches up and when he does that - he gets hammered. Always has.