sorry sacks of shit

[j_y19]

OK - so exactly how much would you pay him moving forward? These are business decisions & both players and the FO understands this. I am sure that Morris is on great terms with everyone at Redskins Park and these type of decisions are not easy for anyone. However - at the end of the day you have to remove emotion from the equation & make the smart moves.

I think they have already decided to let him test FA to determine his value. If he doesn't garner any big interest, the make him an offer as a middle of the pack RB. I give it a 50-50 chance he is back next year.

 

[Sharkinva]

OK - so exactly how much would you pay him moving forward? These are business decisions & both players and the FO understands this. I am sure that Morris is on great terms with everyone at Redskins Park and these type of decisions are not easy for anyone. However - at the end of the day you have to remove emotion from the equation & make the smart moves.

How much you pay him, not my call to make. But I think they should at least see what he is asking for before deciding its time to move on unless he comes back on the cheap. Its not the what they are doing that irks me, its more the how they are going about it.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

How much you pay him, not my call to make. But I think they should at least see what he is asking for before deciding its time to move on unless he comes back on the cheap. Its not the what they are doing that irks me, its more the how they are going about it.

Get used to it. This is part of having a successful FO. It generally means getting rid of popular players who are at least somewhat past their prime. That strategy has worked great for teams like the Pats, Steelers & Eagles (Reid version - not the current one). It is also what has helped make SM successful.

Again - this is a business & needs to be run like one. Like others - I have sentimental ties to certain players. However - I will gladly give them up if that is what it takes to make this team a consistent winner.

 

[skinz2winz]

As all can see, I'm a huge Butler fan, Lol... Great dude, class act, awesome teammate. Having said that, let's not let our hearts override our heads here. Alf is a half step slow, his vision in crowded spaces is limited and he does not have break away or game breaking ability. Let's not begin with his pass catching abilities or pass pro.

This is a business and its about making your team better at every position. While I don't trust Jones with the job by himself, I think Alf deserves a spot on this roster at a reasonable price. If that can't be done then move on.

HTTR!

 

[Krusheasy]

OK - so exactly how much would you pay him moving forward? These are business decisions & both players and the FO understands this. I am sure that Morris is on great terms with everyone at Redskins Park and these type of decisions are not easy for anyone. However - at the end of the day you have to remove emotion from the equation & make the smart moves.

i'm thinking 5 years for 20 million, with 50% guaranteed

here are some other RB contracts to compare

Running Back Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap

 

[SoCalWizFan]

i'm thinking 5 years for 20 million, with 50% guaranteed

here are some other RB contracts to compare

Running Back Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap

Thanks for the info. Wow - after seeing that list I would be even more cautious about signing Morris & don't even really believe that he warrants the type of money that you advocate. Just about every player at the top of that list has had some type of issue within the last few years, and I don't think that I can find one player in the top ten who is likely a given to be a solid contributor for even the next two years.

Such is the fate of the RB in today's NFL. This is as much a reflection on the position as it is on Morris. As I and others have alluded to - you have to throw sentiment and emotion out the window on this one. The NFL is not about rewarding players for past performance. It is all about what can you do for us moving forward.

Sorry - I appreciate Morris as much as anyone, but I don't want a Kobe Bryant type contract where they are primarily rewarding him for the past.

 

[gkekoa]

i'm thinking 5 years for 20 million, with 50% guaranteed

here are some other RB contracts to compare

Running Back Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap

You are probably right but I wouldn't give him that. Based off his play last season and the steady decline, I would have to pay him less than 3 mil/season and only the first year is guaranteed.

 

[Sharkinva]

All I can say is, I would hate to work for some of you guys come annual review time of the year.

Yes i know you knocked this project out the ball park the past few years, but I think I can find some kid fresh out of college to do it just as well for cheaper. Have a nice life. But we really appreciated you while you were here.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

All I can say is, I would hate to work for some of you guys come annual review time of the year.

Yes i know you knocked this project out the ball park the past few years, but I think I can find some kid fresh out of college to do it just as well for cheaper. Have a nice life. But we really appreciated you while you were here.

Quite a bit different situation than your average worker at a standard company. We are talking about the creme of the crop in the most popular sport in the land. This is not like some guy who has the potential to work for a company for 30-40 years. This is a sport where effectiveness (especially for a RB) doesn't last long & a salary cap is in place that severely penalizes teams that get too sentimental. A person like Morris also likely will find a position elsewhere - it is quite often not the same with your everyday worker.

Again - this is a business. Or would you prefer to take the Lakers approach & reward a guy to a ridiculous amt (that he didn't need) & basically handcuff your team for several years? Sorry - again - I am throwing emotion out the window on this one. It doesn't mean that I feel the same way about folks in corporate America who could find themselves in foreclosure in similar situations.

BTW - Morris didn't knock it out of the park last season & objectively speaking nobody is really expecting much out of him for the next few seasons (could surprise us I guess).

 

[gkekoa]

All I can say is, I would hate to work for some of you guys come annual review time of the year.

Yes i know you knocked this project out the ball park the past few years, but I think I can find some kid fresh out of college to do it just as well for cheaper. Have a nice life. But we really appreciated you while you were here.

Are there guys that can do as good or better for cheaper? Yep.

 

[Sharkinva]

This team has shown for years that they are willing to pay other peoples players top dollar, while penny pinching on our own. Morris despite a drop off in production is the kind of player we should want to keep around and actually reward for what he HAS done for this team.

Can we find some one cheaper?? Sure. Might we find some one who could perform better on the field at a cheaper price? Maybe. Should we have determined without even talking to the man what his expectations are??

 

[j_y19]

This team has shown for years that they are willing to pay other peoples players top dollar, while penny pinching on our own. Morris despite a drop off in production is the kind of player we should want to keep around and actually reward for what he HAS done for this team.

Can we find some one cheaper?? Sure. Might we find some one who could perform better on the field at a cheaper price? Maybe. Should we have determined without even talking to the man what his expectations are??

I'm sure they talked, shark.

 

[gkekoa]

This team has shown for years that they are willing to pay other peoples players top dollar, while penny pinching on our own. Morris despite a drop off in production is the kind of player we should want to keep around and actually reward for what he HAS done for this team.

Can we find some one cheaper?? Sure. Might we find some one who could perform better on the field at a cheaper price? Maybe. Should we have determined without even talking to the man what his expectations are??

I don't think a single person said we shouldn't talk to him. I don't even know if a single person said we shouldn't sign him at the right price.

 

[skinsdad62]

let him test the market and do whats best for his family . if he can come back we would welcome him back with open arms

 

[ehb5]

As others have said, I think we all want him back, but he's must not worth that much. And I wish he was, cuz we all know he's been underpaid his whole career, but something like 5 years 20 mil is crazy to me.

 

[Sharkinva]

As others have said, I think we all want him back, but he's must not worth that much. And I wish he was, cuz we all know he's been underpaid his whole career, but something like 5 years 20 mil is crazy to me.

Depends on how it is structured.

5 years $20 million total value with a $5 million signing bonus

Base in year one $1.7 million
Year 2 $2.3 million
Year 3 $2.5 MIllion
Year 4 $3.5 million
Year 5 $5 million

TOtal $20 million, cap hits

Year 1 $2.7
Year 2 $3.3
Year 3 $3.5
Year 4 $4.5
Year 5 $6.0

And you could lower those numbers with performance based incentives.

 

[ehb5]

Depends on how it is structured.

5 years $20 million total value with a $5 million signing bonus

Base in year one $1.7 million
Year 2 $2.3 million
Year 3 $2.5 MIllion
Year 4 $3.5 million
Year 5 $5 million

TOtal $20 million, cap hits

Year 1 $2.7
Year 2 $3.3
Year 3 $3.5
Year 4 $4.5
Year 5 $6.0

And you could lower those numbers with performance based incentives.

Wouldnt that put a guaranteed cap hit in year 5 though?

 

[Sharkinva]

Wouldnt that put a guaranteed cap hit in year 5 though?

Nope... Year five would be a base of $5 million un guaranteed, with a bonus pro rate of $1 million. So IF by year five he is actually done, we cut him and save $4 million. Heck by year three we could release him and it would only cost 1/2 million more than keeping him. Yes we would pay $4 million for a guy no longer on roster, but we have spent 3 times that this past year on guys on roster who produced diddlysquat.

 

[ehb5]

Nope... Year five would be a base of $5 million un guaranteed, with a bonus pro rate of $1 million. So IF by year five he is actually done, we cut him and save $4 million. Heck by year three we could release him and it would only cost 1/2 million more than keeping him. Yes we would pay $4 million for a guy no longer on roster, but we have spent 3 times that this past year on guys on roster who produced diddlysquat.

Ok, so not terrible, but I still dont think its worth it. RB is the most replaceable position in the NFL. I really dont want to commit money 5 years down the road to a then 32 year old RB who will likely never be more than average at any point the rest of his career.

 

[Sharkinva]

Ok, so not terrible, but I still dont think its worth it. RB is the most replaceable position in the NFL. I really dont want to commit money 5 years down the road to a then 32 year old RB who will likely never be more than average at any point the rest of his career.

Agreed.. RB is actually very replaceable. But team leader type SOLID players both on and off the field are not that easy to come by. I see this as a case where the team needs to make good with Alf to make up for sins of the past when we let true Redskins walk because we thought we could easily replace them on the field but didnt realize their real worth was in the example they set for the guys coming in.

And I would rather commit money to a guy like Alf five years from now, and give the other guys we will need to resign a feeling that the Redskins are a family and a solid organization, than go chasing the new hotness and end up wondering why we still are trying to establish a team culture two years from now.