So who gets the last playoff spot

[Hornsstampede2.0]

Clemson is ranked #17 and playing as 2.5 point dog
UNLV is ranked #20 and playing as a 4.5 point dog
Army is ranked #24 and playing as 5 point dog

Meanwhile there is A&M at 26, Louisville at 27, and Duke at 28
It is entirely plausible that the University of Miami will have 2 more ranked wins in a week, tied for 2nd most of any playoff contender.
If those 3 teams lose anything other than OT nailbiters, they should be below UL and Duke.

Then it will be a comedy routine for the committee to spin Alabama if that happens.
That was their one rationale for keeping Miami down below Bama, lack of ranked wins.

Miami has the brand name, Miami has the overall record, MIami has an OOC SEC road game blowout win, Miami has good losses as well.

 

[rmilia1]

So how come the B1G doesn't play games in Baton Rouge, Tuscaloosa, Athens, Tallahassee, or Clemson in August? B1G wants to play in domed stadiums.

B10 plays in SEC country every single season

Its called bowl season lol

 

[rmilia1]

This is total BS. This is the drivel push by fans of teams that play wussy schedules in order to pump up their records. Schedule IS important. If teams want to reach the CFP they MUST play at least an "average" P4 schedule. Over the past 24 seasons the current P4 teams played an average of 3.4 AP ranked teams (FINAL POLL - NOT PHONEY GAME-TIME RANKINGS) during the regular season. Let's see Indiana played ONE and lost, PSU played TWO, ended up 1-1. Iowa played two and ended up 0-2. The SEC teams actually PLAY ranked teams.

i mean who would you take over an 11-1 Indiana?

Ole Miss who lost to 4 win Kentucky and 7-5 Florida? SC lost to Ole Miss and Bama so you can't take them over either of those 2 and you can't take the Rebs with 2 bad losses

If your argument is Indiana only beat 6 and 7 win teams then bi don't see how you cast advocate for taking a team who lost to 2 such teams

Ultimately Indianas resume is very comparable to NDs. ND has the better win but a much much much much worse loss and the SoS is basically the same but you're not advocating for ND to be left out

Because it's brand bias. If you put the name Michigan next to the Hoosiers resume they'd probably be ranked 6th and no one would even be suggesting they don't belong in

 

[Nat Mann]

It's more likely that they thought that Alabama's wins over Georgia (then #2), Missouri (then #21) and LSU (then #13) and #2 strength of schedule were more impressive than Miami's wins over not a single ranked team all year and 28th SOS.

 

[Gator]

i mean who would you take over an 11-1 Indiana?

Pretty much anyone!

Ole Miss who lost to 4 win Kentucky and 7-5 Florida? SC lost to Ole Miss and Bama so you can't take them over either of those 2 and you can't take the Rebs with 2 bad losses

I agree, No to Ole Miss!

If your argument is Indiana only beat 6 and 7 win teams then bi don't see how you cast advocate for taking a team who lost to 2 such teams

Yes, but beat FOUR top 25 teams to Indiana's ZERO.

Ultimately Indianas resume is very comparable to NDs. ND has the better win but a much much much much worse loss and the SoS is basically the same but you're not advocating for ND to be left out

I think ND SHOULD be left out. There are 68 "P4" teams. In SOS OSU is 48, PSU is 52, Clemson is 54, Miami is 55, Indiana is 60, ND is 61, and SMU is 63 OUT OF 68 TEAMS!!!! Compare those to Georgia #1, Florida #2, Oklahoma #3, LSU #5, Alabama #8, Michigan #10, Texas A&M #11, South Carolina #12

Because it's brand bias. If you put the name Michigan next to the Hoosiers resume they'd probably be ranked 6th and no one would even be suggesting they don't belong in

Michigan WOULDN'T play the #60 rated schedule unless Harbaugh was still there (last years UM finished with the #35 schedule only after playing TWO highly ranked teams in the post season). I don't care about "names" see above for ND.

Why are you so big on Indiana except for the fact they are a B1G team?
Indiana has played ONE top 25 team, #4 OSU and lost. Florida Played #6 Georgia and lost.
Outside the top 25, Indiana is UNDEFEATED and Florida is UNDEFEATED. Yet Indiana is #8 but my team is unranked!

Why is my team being punished for playing 6 teams ranked between 10 and 22 when Indiana played ZERO??? They beat two of them and Indiana beat ZERO ranked opponents!!!

 

[rmilia1]

Pretty much anyone!

I agree, No to Ole Miss!

Yes, but beat FOUR top 25 teams to Indiana's ZERO.

I think ND SHOULD be left out. There are 68 "P4" teams. In SOS OSU is 48, PSU is 52, Clemson is 54, Miami is 55, Indiana is 60, ND is 61, and SMU is 63 OUT OF 68 TEAMS!!!! Compare those to Georgia #1, Florida #2, Oklahoma #3, LSU #5, Alabama #8, Michigan #10, Texas A&M #11, South Carolina #12

Michigan WOULDN'T play the #60 rated schedule unless Harbaugh was still there (last years UM finished with the #35 schedule only after playing TWO highly ranked teams in the post season). I don't care about "names" see above for ND.

Why are you so big on Indiana except for the fact they are a B1G team?
Indiana has played ONE top 25 team, #4 OSU and lost. Florida Played #6 Georgia and lost.
Outside the top 25, Indiana is UNDEFEATED and Florida is UNDEFEATED. Yet Indiana is #8 but my team is unranked!

Why is my team being punished for playing 6 teams ranked between 10 and 22 when Indiana played ZERO??? They beat two of them and Indiana beat ZERO ranked opponents!!!

You brought up Indiana not me lol

 

[rmilia1]

Ultimately SoS is important but it can't be the end all

It can decide between team with similar results but these aren't teams with similar results

Yes Bama has 3 ranked wins ( UGA, Sc and Missouri ) but those are largely negated by having 2 bad losses with a 3rd to boot

You can say " Bama would be 11-1 too if they played Indianas script but the reality is we don't know that. They've already proven they're more than capable of losing to 6 win type teams"

 

[Gator]

Ultimately SoS is important but it can't be the end all

It can decide between team with similar results but these aren't teams with similar results

Yes Bama has 3 ranked wins ( UGA, Sc and Missouri ) but those are largely negated by having 2 bad losses with a 3rd to boot

You can say " Bama would be 11-1 too if they played Indianas script but the reality is we don't know that. They've already proven they're more than capable of losing to 6 win type teams"

So Indiana gets a "pass" for crummy scheduling? Why should any team bother scheduling teams other than 6-6 or worse? You want everyone to play crappy schedules and take their chances on 12-0 record to get in?????

Here's what Indiana has for future OOC games:
2025 Old Dominion, Kennesaw State, Indiana State
2026 Colorado State, at UConn
2027 at Virginia, Indiana State, UMass
2028 Eastern Michigan, Virginia
2029 Ball State, WKU

Here's what PSU has lined up:
2025 Nevada, FIU, Villanova
2026 Marshall, at Temple, Buffalo
2027 Syracuse, Delaware, Temple
2028 Ball State, at Syracuse, UMass

Here's Iowa's schedule:
2025 UAlbany, at Iowa State, UMass
2026 Northern Illinois, Iowa State, Northern Iowa
2027 Ball State, at Iowa State
2028 Western Michigan
2029 Northern Illinois
2030 Florida Atlantic
Notice how the B1G teams schedule the patsies early and then tell us they can't find P4 teams to play!

Here what Florida has scheduled:
2025 LIU, USF, at Miami (FL), Florida State
2026 Campbell, at Florida State
2027 Florida State
2028 Colorado, at Arizona State, at Florida State
2029 at Colorado, Florida State
2030 at UCF, at Florida State
2031 Arizona State, at Notre Dame, Florida State
2032 Notre Dame, at Florida State
I didn't know that LIU and Campbell even had football teams!

 

[rmilia1]

So Indiana gets a "pass" for crummy scheduling? Why should any team bother scheduling teams other than 6-6 or worse? You want everyone to play crappy schedules and take their chances on 12-0 record to get in?????

Here's what Indiana has for future OOC games:
2025 Old Dominion, Kennesaw State, Indiana State
2026 Colorado State, at UConn
2027 at Virginia, Indiana State, UMass
2028 Eastern Michigan, Virginia
2029 Ball State, WKU

Here's what PSU has lined up:
2025 Nevada, FIU, Villanova
2026 Marshall, at Temple, Buffalo
2027 Syracuse, Delaware, Temple
2028 Ball State, at Syracuse, UMass

Here's Iowa's schedule:
2025 UAlbany, at Iowa State, UMass
2026 Northern Illinois, Iowa State, Northern Iowa
2027 Ball State, at Iowa State
2028 Western Michigan
2029 Northern Illinois
2030 Florida Atlantic
Notice how the B1G teams schedule the patsies early and then tell us they can't find P4 teams to play!

Here what Florida has scheduled:
2025 LIU, USF, at Miami (FL), Florida State
2026 Campbell, at Florida State
2027 Florida State
2028 Colorado, at Arizona State, at Florida State
2029 at Colorado, Florida State
2030 at UCF, at Florida State
2031 Arizona State, at Notre Dame, Florida State
2032 Notre Dame, at Florida State
I didn't know that LIU and Campbell even had football teams!

That's a function of playing 8 conference games man

Don't know whet to tell you other than go to 9 league games and you will see a leaner OOC schedule

And it's not giving anyone a pass

Its realizing with 12 teams how you're not going to get 12 0/1 loss teams with no bad losses and lots of good wins

So you need to prioritize what you value. And CFB is about winning. If you want to it be CBB and be about scheduling then that's cool but that's not how it is now so you just can't lose multiple games to teams you're supposed to beat

If it were up to me i wouldn't put Bama in and id have SC in instead since their losses are better but i know people would freak since SC lost to both Bama and Ole Miss but losing by 21 to a 6-6 team is disqualifying to me when you're 9-3 ( as is losing to s 4-8 team when you're 9-3 )

 

[Gator]

...Meanwhile there is A&M at 26, Louisville at 27, and Duke at 28
It is entirely plausible that the University of Miami will have 2 more ranked wins in a week, tied for 2nd most of any playoff contender.
If those 3 teams lose anything other than OT nailbiters, they should be below UL and Duke.

That was their one rationale for keeping Miami down below Bama, lack of ranked wins.

Miami has the brand name, Miami has the overall record, MIami has an OOC SEC road game blowout win, Miami has good losses as well.

What? If you are going by the AP poll, Miami has ONE Top 25 ranked opponent, #23 Syracuse (which they lost to). Clemson is not going to fall out of the top 25 by losing in the CCG. So you think it is plausible that both Louisville and Duke will pass Memphis and Texas A&M when NONE of them play a game this week? Duke isn't moving up anywhere, anyhow (Duke has the #68 SOS out of 68 P4 teams). Assuming your dream scenario where Miami ends up with 3 ranked opponents, that would tie them with Texas. But, Oregon has 4, SMU would have 4, Alabama has 4, South Carolina has 5.
In all likelihood Miami will end up with 1 (Syracuse).

 

[DJ Fieri]

Ultimately SoS is important but it can't be the end all

It can decide between team with similar results but these aren't teams with similar results

Yes Bama has 3 ranked wins ( UGA, Sc and Missouri ) but those are largely negated by having 2 bad losses with a 3rd to boot

You can say " Bama would be 11-1 too if they played Indianas script but the reality is we don't know that. They've already proven they're more than capable of losing to 6 win type teams"

IMO, SC East deserves it more than Bama, despite losing to them.

 

[Ron G]

All this discussion. Someone explain to me why the AAC and its members are considered a Division1 FBS conference? Should they not be moved down to the FCS? Army at 11-1 (12-1 if they beat Navy), will have the "best loss" of any 1 loss team. Any, yet zero chance of playing for the championship of the level they are in theory a part of (FBS).
If any 3-loss team gets in over Army, it would be proof of a bogus system in which the number of losses is less important than historical pedigree.

 

[Gator]

All this discussion. Someone explain to me why the AAC and its members are considered a Division1 FBS conference? Should they not be moved down to the FCS? Army at 11-1 (12-1 if they beat Navy), will have the "best loss" of any 1 loss team. Any, yet zero chance of playing for the championship of the level they are in theory a part of (FBS).

They elected to become "FBS". It is as simple as that. Having the title of "FBS" doesn't mean that you are suddenly better than FCS teams. The same thing holds for title "P4". Having the title of "P4" doesn't mean that you aren't total crap.

If any 3-loss team gets in over Army, it would be proof of a bogus system in which the number of losses is less important than historical pedigree.

The system isn't bogus. It called SOS!
Here is ARMY's schedule
3 Notre Dame (11-1) Lost
30 *Tulane (9-3) Won Tulane is going to fall in ranking
51 *Navy (8-3) Haven't played
91 *East Carolina (7-5)
97 *Texas-San Antonio (6-6)
99 *North Texas (6-6)
105 Air Force (5-7)
109 *Rice (4-8)
119 *Alabama-Birmingham (3-9)
124 *Temple (3-9)
126 *Florida Atlantic (3-9)
131 *Tulsa (3-9)
FCS Lehigh

 

[DJ Fieri]

All this discussion. Someone explain to me why the AAC and its members are considered a Division1 FBS conference? Should they not be moved down to the FCS? Army at 11-1 (12-1 if they beat Navy), will have the "best loss" of any 1 loss team. Any, yet zero chance of playing for the championship of the level they are in theory a part of (FBS).
If any 3-loss team gets in over Army, it would be proof of a bogus system in which the number of losses is less important than historical pedigree.

SOS.

You're welcome.

 

[PIBuckeye]

Still say they need to fix those 4 top lock spots. It’s bs that the AP ranked #8 and #10 teams are blindly gifted the #3 and #4 spots in the playoff ranking.
They should be placed right where they are AP ranked.

 

[Ron G]

They elected to become "FBS". It is as simple as that. Having the title of "FBS" doesn't mean that you are suddenly better than FCS teams. The same thing holds for title "P4". Having the title of "P4" doesn't mean that you aren't total crap.


The system isn't bogus. It called SOS!
Here is ARMY's schedule
3 Notre Dame (11-1) Lost
30 *Tulane (9-3) Won Tulane is going to fall in ranking
51 *Navy (8-3) Haven't played
91 *East Carolina (7-5)
97 *Texas-San Antonio (6-6)
99 *North Texas (6-6)
105 Air Force (5-7)
109 *Rice (4-8)
119 *Alabama-Birmingham (3-9)
124 *Temple (3-9)
126 *Florida Atlantic (3-9)
131 *Tulsa (3-9)
FCS Lehigh

A conference does not elect to become FBS, it must be accepted. Maybe in the small print of the being accepted as an FBS team it says, you must adhere to all our rules, but you are not eligible for the FBS championship.

Strength of schedule is important, too bad that losing to those teams does not seem to be considered. Hell, let Vanderbilt and LSU into CPF, after all they had a strong SOS.

 

[antone112]

if Clemson wins Bama is out. The reeeeeeeeee from the Gulf of Mexico might cause some tornadoes up here.

 

[raoul]

if Clemson wins Bama is out. The reeeeeeeeee from the Gulf of Mexico might cause some tornadoes up here.

I wouldn't mind that. I don't think they deserve it this year...even if SMU wins.

 

[Ron G]

if Clemson wins Bama is out. The reeeeeeeeee from the Gulf of Mexico might cause some tornadoes up here.

Of course, on ESPN they are saying if Clemson wins it is SMU out and Alabama in. However, if ESPN has its way (and it often gets its way) any SEC team with 4 losses would be in because of well, SOS.
The joke about Alabama is that they are not even in their conference championship and could be reward for not having to play the game. Ironically, if ND had two losses, they would be out because on not having a championship game to play, go figure.

It has been pointed out that if the ACC did not have championship game then SMU would be in with 1 loss while Alabama out with 3 losses. But because of the extra game Alabama would jump SMU with 2 losses. The logic is BS. How can the eye test be the criteria when the eyes show a team losing 3 times. As it is every year, losses by SEC teams don't seem to count.

 

[10HtownRebs]

Of course, on ESPN they are saying if Clemson wins it is SMU out and Alabama in. However, if ESPN has its way (and it often gets its way) any SEC team with 4 losses would be in because of well, SOS.
The joke about Alabama is that they are not even in their conference championship and could be reward for not having to play the game. Ironically, if ND had two losses, they would be out because on not having a championship game to play, go figure.

It has been pointed out that if the ACC did not have championship game then SMU would be in with 1 loss while Alabama out with 3 losses. But because of the extra game Alabama would jump SMU with 2 losses. The logic is BS. How can the eye test be the criteria when the eyes show a team losing 3 times. As it is every year, losses by SEC teams don't seem to count.

All conferences are not created equally...

But if you guys want to sit through noncompetitive ass whippings.... F it..

TCU was 13-1 and all everything... They deserved the big boy seat at the table .... They were the BEST team out there!!!

They still fucked up from that 65-7 beating they took in the national championship game...