So who gets the last playoff spot

[Stakesarehigh]

The ALABAMA AD is already threatening to cancel tough OOC games....and only play 4 cupcake games going forward....cancelling FSU next year...
HE has a strong point thanks to the INDIANA AT LARGE SELECTION.

As a Longhorn fan, I am wondering why we should bother playing Ohio State next year in Columbus??
What possible good can come from that game.

If 2025 Texas goes (6-2) in the SEC and beats UTEP instead of playing Ohio State....they are in the playoffs at (10-2)
If 2025 Texas goes (6-2) in the SEC and loses to Ohio State....they are out of the playoff at (9-3).

Indiana set a horrible precedent that might end OOC games as we know it.

The situation isn't always going to fall like this. I do think OOC should be scheduled by a different body and all conferences should be at minimum 9 games.

But seeing the crying over Bama is cathartic given OSU missed a playoff being the defending champ, and losing on a last second field goal in pouring rain to a one loss team


Bama lost to fucking Vandy

GTFOH with the crying.

 

[tc1]

The ALABAMA AD is already threatening to cancel tough OOC games....and only play 4 cupcake games going forward....cancelling FSU next year...
HE has a strong point thanks to the INDIANA AT LARGE SELECTION.

Wait, I'm confused, is Florida State a tough game, or a cupcake? Did he mean Ferris State?

As a Longhorn fan, I am wondering why we should bother playing Ohio State next year in Columbus??
What possible good can come from that game.

Just in terms of "possible good", it could improve their team. Clemson played perhaps the toughest OOC schedule in the country, and what happened when they faced a must-win game against a theoretically-superior opponent the other day? They played probably their best game of the season. Maybe coincidence, maybe not.

Indiana set a horrible precedent that might end OOC games as we know it.

Blaming Indiana for setting a precedent is preposterous. First of all, the concept of precedent doesn't translate into whatever language this committee speaks, as they demonstrated by shafting Florida State last year. They just randomly make it up as they go along, and justify with non-sequiturs. This is largely why we have a playoff system, because all parties tired of inconsistent poll-based "championships" -- but now we still have polls.

Second, Indiana wasn't playing easier teams than most. Charlotte is a mid-pack team in the AAC -- specifically, they finished 4-4, which happens to be exactly the same American conference record as the South Florida Bulls. The same Bulls who visited Alabama for their second game, and who hosted Miami for their fourth game. Speaking of which, if the Alabama AD thinks his team is so much better than others, he should encourage them to demonstrate that on the field -- in reality, Alabama hosted USF and the score was slightly closer than when Miami visited the Bulls two weeks later. As with so many of these comparisons, supporting evidence for the alleged SEC superiority is difficult to find.

 

[foster4prez]

Syracuse became ranked by beating Miami. That loss hardly boosts Miami's claim. Georgia is the number 2 team in the country, SEC champion and has a playoff bye. Alabama beat them. Alabama's schedule includes two playoff teams, Miami's none. That's why they are ranked ahead of Miami.

Try and look at a realistic big picture instead of cherry picking irrelevant complaints.

You are proving my point.

Bama did get the boost from a harder SOS. Which is why they are rightfully over MIami. But SMU had two less losses than Bama in the regular season. At the end of the day, winning matters.

Unless you think that a proverbial team that goes 6-6 and loses to 1-6 in the rankings deserves to be a playoff team?

Bama's AD is out here saying that they should play an easier OOC schedule in order to rack up wins. Which - ironically - they already do and always have done. It's asinine.

 

[navamind]

The problem is that the SEC is a victim of its own success. The SEC is so strong that they play more quality teams in an eight game schedule than the B1G does in ALL of its regular season games. SO canceling OOC games will only slightly alter is #'s and decrease the SOS of the other schools like OSU.
As I posted above.
From 1990 to 2023 (34 years):
The B1G teams on average played during THE REGULAR SEASON: 393.64 games, 22.50 top 5 teams, 50.86 top 10 teams, and 109.64 top 25 teams.
The SEC teams on average played IN-CONFERENCE games...............: 276.64 games, 32.64 top 5 teams, 57.14 top 10 teams, and 112.36 top 25 teams.

SO canceling OOC games will only slightly alter is #'s and decrease the SOS of the other schools like OSU.

If the SEC really wants to make easier conference schedules then it needs to move to FEWER in conference games and DROP tough OOC games. That would mean 7 SEC opponents and 5 unranked OOC teams.
With use 7/8 of the SEC schedule we get IN-CONFERENCE games...............: 7/8*276.64 games = 242.06 games, 7/8*32.64 = 28.56 top 5 teams, 7/8*57.14 = 50.00 top 10 teams, and 7/8*112.36 = 98.32 top 25 teams. Then play 157.79 cream-puff teams so we can match the B1G schedule!

 

[Stakesarehigh]

This dude does this same pathetic dance over and over.

 

[Gator]

This dude does this same pathetic dance over and over.

Why not counter my arguments with some cogent replies instead of copying crap from somewhere else on line?

 

[Nat Mann]

You are proving my point.

Bama did get the boost from a harder SOS. Which is why they are rightfully over MIami.

I'm glad we agree that Alabama should have been over Miami. That's the point I was arguing. I don't know what the rest of your post is about. I never mentioned how they should stack up against SMU.

But SMU had two less losses than Bama in the regular season. At the end of the day, winning matters.

Unless you think that a proverbial team that goes 6-6 and loses to 1-6 in the rankings deserves to be a playoff team?

Bama's AD is out here saying that they should play an easier OOC schedule in order to rack up wins. Which - ironically - they already do and always have done. It's asinine.

 

[Gator]

3 losses in general is just a hard sell.

I do agree that maybe there isnt a ton of incentive to schedule tough teams if you're in a major conference but that also means you have to kick butt in your conference.

Yes, and IF your conference is worth a sh!t then you will get in. But if it isn't then you'd better have a good OOC schedule to make up for the poor conference SOS. I agree that I too would like to see everyone play better OOC opponents but to reduce the schedule to 3 games (in the case of B1G) and ignore the other 9 games is wrong also. It is the TOTAL SOS that is important!

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Why not counter my arguments with some cogent replies instead of copying crap from somewhere else on line?

Ive already done that with you many times,

1, SOS is inherently subjective to a degree. The SEC starts out at X, and carries through.

2. Indiana is ranked ahead of Bama on Massey composite and SMU was ranked ahead of Bama on Massey composite prior to the game Saturday. The committe chose not to punish them for playing that extra game and losing as they did

Remarkably, despite losing to the Vols H2H and having 2 worse losses and 3 losses overall, Massey has Bama ahead of the Vols. That is a no brainer correction.

So even going PURELY off computers aside from those adjustments i just spoke on Bama still doesnt make it in.

But the real embarrassing fact is Bama crying about SOS when they played a poor OOC and lost to not one but 2 mediocre teams. If Bama beats OU they are playing in the CFP.

 

[Gator]

I have a Campbell Fightin’ Camels T-Shirt.

Years ago, I was visiting my Dad when he lived in NC at one point and we decided to take a road trip to CU to get some gear because we thought their mascot and team name were cool.

/end pointless story

We had fun though.

There used to be a Campbell 66 Trucking Co. I found their old logo

I enjoyed seeing those trucks on the highway. The logo always made me smile.

 

[dtgold88]

Or the Big ten!

I did laugh at that but come on. Boohoo....we couldn't beat Vandy so we need to schedule easy OOC.

 

[dtgold88]

Ive already done that with you many times,

1, SOS is inherently subjective to a degree. The SEC starts out at X, and carries through.

2. Indiana is ranked ahead of Bama on Massey composite and SMU was ranked ahead of Bama on Massey composite prior to the game Saturday. The committe chose not to punish them for playing that extra game and losing as they did

Remarkably, despite losing to the Vols H2H and having 2 worse losses and 3 losses overall, Massey has Bama ahead of the Vols. That is a no brainer correction.

So even going PURELY off computers aside from those adjustments i just spoke on Bama still doesnt make it in.

But the real embarrassing fact is Bama crying about SOS when they played a poor OOC and lost to not one but 2 mediocre teams. If Bama beats OU they are playing in the CFP.

Guarantee you he was among those claiming OSU did not deserve a spot in the seasons they lost to Purdue and Iowa.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Guarantee you he was among those claiming OSU did not deserve a spot in the seasons they lost to Purdue and Iowa.

Yea, OSU Was seemingly first team out like 3 times.

 

[Gator]

Ive already done that with you many times,

1, SOS is inherently subjective to a degree. The SEC starts out at X, and carries through.

So why did FSU fall? The teams still have to earn those ranking by the end of the season. The SEC start out at X and carry through because they lived up to expectations (unlike FSU which didn't live up to expectations and FELL).

2. Indiana is ranked ahead of Bama on Massey composite and SMU was ranked ahead of Bama on Massey composite prior to the game Saturday. The committe chose not to punish them for playing that extra game and losing as they did

That is not an "extra" game. It is part of their schedule.

Remarkably, despite losing to the Vols H2H and having 2 worse losses and 3 losses overall, Massey has Bama ahead of the Vols. That is a no brainer correction.

So even going PURELY off computers aside from those adjustments i just spoke on Bama still doesnt make it in.

But the real embarrassing fact is Bama crying about SOS when they played a poor OOC and lost to not one but 2 mediocre teams. If Bama beats OU they are playing in the CFP.

Here we go again. The SOS is for all 12 games and NOT just for 3 games. Things are screwed up. Alabama should be playing Ohio State and Tennessee should be playing Michigan.

 

[Gator]

Guarantee you he was among those claiming OSU did not deserve a spot in the seasons they lost to Purdue and Iowa.

The last time OSU lost to Purdue and Iowa in the same season was 2004 and YES OSU (at 8-4) didn't belong in any playoff.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

So why did FSU fall? The teams still have to earn those ranking by the end of the season. The SEC start out at X and carry through because they lived up to expectations (unlike FSU which didn't live up to expectations and FELL).


That is not an "extra" game. It is part of their schedule.

Here we go again. The SOS is for all 12 games and NOT just for 3 games. Things are screwed up. Alabama should be playing Ohio State and Tennessee should be playing Michigan.

SOS is a partially subjective system as you just acknowledged and is therefore not a be all end all way to rank teams.

You make it your entire argument where most people would prefer the games played on the field

On the field, Alabama lost to 3 teams, 2 of which were middling at best.

Doing your stupid little dance of subjectivity isnt my cup of tea.

The Tide has gotten the benefit EVERY year since 2014, and hell before that. They didnt earn a shot this year. End of story.

 

[dtgold88]

So why did FSU fall? The teams still have to earn those ranking by the end of the season. The SEC start out at X and carry through because they lived up to expectations (unlike FSU which didn't live up to expectations and FELL).


That is not an "extra" game. It is part of their schedule.

Here we go again. The SOS is for all 12 games and NOT just for 3 games. Things are screwed up. Alabama should be playing Ohio State and Tennessee should be playing Michigan.

FSU fell because they were losing what seemed like every week.

The extra game was for SMU

Bama should be playing OSU and UM play TN?

 

[dtgold88]

The last time OSU lost to Purdue and Iowa in the same season was 2004 and YES OSU (at 8-4) didn't belong in any playoff.

In the seasonS they lost to Iowa and Purdue as in was 2 separate seasonS.

Get it? And, yes, I am confident you were among those who thought because of said losses (in different seasonS) they did not deserve a spot in EACH season.

 

[rmilia1]

As previously noted, South Carolina just barely escaped at home against Old Dominion. At least Stanford is in a P4 conference. Vanderbilt lost to 3-9 Georgia... STATE.

Also, when arguing about respective strength of conferences, citing conference games like Syracuse v Stanford is meaningless, and provides no useful information.

As for those rankings, the whole point is that they are inflated by the false notion that all of these SEC teams are good, which stems from their preseason rankings. Missouri is the seminal example. They were ranked #11 preseason. They did absolutely nothing throughout the season to justify that ranking on any field of play, but they finished the season ranked about #20. In reality, Missouri was just about as good as Boston College who finished 4-4 in the ACC, and 7-5 overall -- which we know, because BC went west and narrowly lost to those Tigers on the road.

LSU is another example. They were #13 preseason and did nothing to support that on the actual grass fields where the games are played. They lost to Southern Cal, and snuck by Ole Miss at home, in overtime -- the same Ole Miss that, among other things, lost to the Florida team that got waxed by Miami and lost to the Kentucky team that got waxed by Louisville. If LSU had not started the season #13 -- effectively with a headstart on all those teams in the "other conferences", they would have never sniffed the Top 25, nor been considered a "tough game".

The SEC is not different from those other conferences. It has a couple excellent teams at the top. It has a couple terrible teams at the bottom. It has a bunch of mediocre ones in between. The principal difference is that most of the SEC teams are given a headstart in the preseason rankings, which makes it effectively a fait accompli that the SEC will finish the season with a bunch of ranked teams and look stronger than they were actually able to play, on the grass.

Pick an SEC team, and look at their season on the field -- ignoring their preseason rank. Would they have the same rank now if they had started without one? The answer is, almost always, "Hell no". Ole Miss started at #6. Their entire season is basically one very solid win over Georgia ( which is impressive ). That's balanced by their loss to Kentucky, and to two mediocre teams. That's similar to Syracuse's resume -- one big win, one bad conference loss, and a couple mediocre losses. Syracuse also went out and beat a very solid 10-3 UNLV club ( who gave Boise State all they wanted at home ) on the road. Since Syracuse didn't even get any preseason votes, though, they were unable to make up that ground, and concluded the season ranked about 10 spots behind Ole Miss. Critically, few if any of the Orange's opponents are credited with a "tough game" for having played them, but the Rebels' opponents typically are. This bias compounds and eventually yields the overratings that you just listed.

Would Texas be #3 now if they hadn't started at #4? Hell no. Their best win is over TA&M, their second best win is a squeaker over powerhouse Vanderbilt. They don't have a bad loss, but neither does Indiana, Arizona State, or Miami. ASU's two best wins are better than Texas' best. But Texas had a substantial headstart, which ASU could not make up.

Honestly CFB needs to go to a NET style ranking that CBB uses

Where there are no rankings at all until like halfway through the season when you have actual data

The committee is just people. They're going to be biased ( even if they don't want to be ) by current rankings which are largely influenced by where you start the season

If you dont do rankings until after week 6 or so then you at least have results to base your opinion on

 

[Stakesarehigh]

This belly aching over a 12th seeded team is dumb, the only issue i could see with Bama over SMU is making the conf games problematic. Otherwise id not have cared if Bama got the nod.