So where has Crowder gone??

[Sharkinva]

Answer is actually much easier than one would think.

Much like a Wes Welker, some guys are just born to play the slot. Moving Crowder out to the X or Y position has drastically hurt his production. If and when Pryor and Dropctson can get up to speed and be the X and Y starters, I dont expect to see the Crowder we were all hoping for.

If those gys can get up to speed, and Crowder goes back into his natural slot position, we might see the Crowder that had us all excited last year.

 

[j_y19]

They could really use him. They need to keep him in the slot.

 

[Sharkinva]

They could really use him. They need to keep him in the slot.

NO duh, at this point I would almost prefer to see Ryan Gruden/Grant at the Y, Pryor at the X, and Crowder in the slot.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Well 2 weeks to prepare & they will be playing the 49ers at that pt (should be able to score a bit). Given the status of Norman & perhaps other defenders you would think that they will likely need to score more pts. This should result in Gruden & Cousins looking for different ways to move the ball & score pts & IMO this should involve more of Crowder and Reed - we will see.

 

[skinz2winz]

Well 2 weeks to prepare & they will be playing the 49ers at that pt (should be able to score a bit). Given the status of Norman & perhaps other defenders you would think that they will likely need to score more pts. This should result in Gruden & Cousins looking for different ways to move the ball & score pts & IMO this should involve more of Crowder and Reed - we will see.

Perhaps Gruden will evaluate AR's play calling and get a little more creative with his mundane play calling. KC used Hunt, Hill and Kelce to the fullest. Why? Because that is their bread & butter. What is our bread & butter? Right now its Reed & Crowder however, it seems they were limited Monday night. Was it because the KC defense simply stifled and blanketed these two players? Hmmm, I doubt it.

 

[Sharkinva]

Perhaps Gruden will evaluate AR's play calling and get a little more creative with his mundane play calling. KC used Hunt, Hill and Kelce to the fullest. Why? Because that is their bread & butter. What is our bread & butter? Right now its Reed & Crowder however, it seems they were limited Monday night. Was it because the KC defense simply stifled and blanketed these two players? Hmmm, I doubt it.

Then I would suggest you rewatch the game, and compare it to games from last year when Crowder and Reed were staples of our offense. I dont thin its so much play calling, as the personnel we currently have. Crowder simply isnt getting open because teams are not trying to double cover our outside WRs as they have had to the past two seasons. Now IF Pryor and Doctson become real threats, I think you will see Crowder and Reeds production increase. Right now no one fears playing man coverage on us to stop the run, and when they do play zone, they are playing base zone with not alot of shading to one WR or the other.

IN english, we dont have any one who is an every snap player capable of beating the coverage, so base coverage is able to contain our passing attack to a degree.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Then I would suggest you rewatch the game, and compare it to games from last year when Crowder and Reed were staples of our offense. I dont thin its so much play calling, as the personnel we currently have. Crowder simply isnt getting open because teams are not trying to double cover our outside WRs as they have had to the past two seasons. Now IF Pryor and Doctson become real threats, I think you will see Crowder and Reeds production increase. Right now no one fears playing man coverage on us to stop the run, and when they do play zone, they are playing base zone with not alot of shading to one WR or the other.

IN english, we dont have any one who is an every snap player capable of beating the coverage, so base coverage is able to contain our passing attack to a degree.

Well both Pryor & Doctson are capable of making the big play & we have seen that in the last few weeks. They are also both possible of falling short. They need to use the next few weeks to address their issues & get in sync w/ Cousins. In Pryor's case he corrects this or he is on another team next season. It is a little more complicated for Doctson, but he now has his opportunity & needs to make the most of it.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Drop or not, Josh Doctson needs to play more for the Redskins

Decent article. I think it is being fair to state that on the missed TD you see both the best & worst of Doctson all at the same time. No reason to stop going to him in the next few games. Let's challenge him & see how he responds.

 

[skinz2winz]

Then I would suggest you rewatch the game, and compare it to games from last year when Crowder and Reed were staples of our offense. I dont thin its so much play calling, as the personnel we currently have. Crowder simply isnt getting open because teams are not trying to double cover our outside WRs as they have had to the past two seasons. Now IF Pryor and Doctson become real threats, I think you will see Crowder and Reeds production increase. Right now no one fears playing man coverage on us to stop the run, and when they do play zone, they are playing base zone with not alot of shading to one WR or the other.

IN english, we dont have any one who is an every snap player capable of beating the coverage, so base coverage is able to contain our passing attack to a degree.

Crowder never lined up outside last year and shouldn't be this year. Too small and ineffective from that spot. Pryor & Doctson are real threats, otherwise they wouldn't be on an NFL field. I see plenty of production moving forward in our offense from all, including Crowder & Reed.

 

[Sharkinva]

Crowder never lined up outside last year and shouldn't be this year. Too small and ineffective from that spot. Pryor & Doctson are real threats, otherwise they wouldn't be on an NFL field. I see plenty of production moving forward in our offense from all, including Crowder & Reed.

Pryor and Doctson are potential threats. I will grant you that. But until one or both show that they are consistent threats, we will see alot of what we have seen thus far. That being teams not afraid to go man to man with little help over the top because we dont have that if he is even you are beat kind of threat in either of them at the moment.

 

[skinz2winz]

Pryor and Doctson are potential threats. I will grant you that. But until one or both show that they are consistent threats, we will see alot of what we have seen thus far. That being teams not afraid to go man to man with little help over the top because we dont have that if he is even you are beat kind of threat in either of them at the moment.

Ok, point taken. However, Doctson and Pryor both have proven that "if" covered they can still score (Both have) and will go over you to score. So, please continue to go man to man asking Pryor or Doctson to beat you one on one and I will take my chances with both and Cousins will too.

 

[Sharkinva]

Ok, point taken. However, Doctson and Pryor both have proven that "if" covered they can still score (Both have) and will go over you to score. So, please continue to go man to man asking Pryor or Doctson to beat you one on one and I will take my chances with both and Cousins will too.

Point taken... here is how I see it. Cousins is playing for a contract at the end of the day. And this is where I see the possible lack of trust being an issue. If Kirk doesnt feel confident in Pryor or Doctson coming down with the jump ball, he isnt going to throw it. Doctson in not making that catch, yea its going to stick in Kirks head and next time he might take the safer check down pass rather than go with the up ball to Doctson if he doesnt have faith in him maintaining the catch. So unless and untill one or both WRs can show that they are either

1. Going to complete that catch more than they miss
2. Get WTFO to a point where even a miss, or over throw wont risk a turn over

I still see Kirk sticking with the passes to CT, Reed and Davis more than Pryor and Doctson

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Point taken... here is how I see it. Cousins is playing for a contract at the end of the day. And this is where I see the possible lack of trust being an issue. If Kirk doesnt feel confident in Pryor or Doctson coming down with the jump ball, he isnt going to throw it. Doctson in not making that catch, yea its going to stick in Kirks head and next time he might take the safer check down pass rather than go with the up ball to Doctson if he doesnt have faith in him maintaining the catch. So unless and untill one or both WRs can show that they are either

1. Going to complete that catch more than they miss
2. Get WTFO to a point where even a miss, or over throw wont risk a turn over

I still see Kirk sticking with the passes to CT, Reed and Davis more than Pryor and Doctson

I don't think that you are giving Cousins enough credit. He is going to try to take advantage of all of his weapons. Again - you are viewing this from a fans perspective. A QB can't afford to hold grudges or ignore players based on previous results (unless they occur many, many times). If Kirk limits his weapons as you suggest then he is toast. Other teams will pickup on these tendencies & adjust accordingly. As a matter fact Cousins may be aware of this & actually go the other route & go more often to Pryor & Doctson.

 

[Yo Tee]

Could the problem be that there are too many decent targets right now? I mean CT is probably the best target right now. Then you got Pryor and Vernon Davis. Crowder seems to be a 3rd or even 4th option when on the field.

 

[Sharkinva]

I don't think that you are giving Cousins enough credit. He is going to try to take advantage of all of his weapons. Again - you are viewing this from a fans perspective. A QB can't afford to hold grudges or ignore players based on previous results (unless they occur many, many times). If Kirk limits his weapons as you suggest then he is toast. Other teams will pickup on these tendencies & adjust accordingly. As a matter fact Cousins may be aware of this & actually go the other route & go more often to Pryor & Doctson.

Come now, thats a fan view if i ever saw one.

Doctoson and Pryor havent earned the QBs trust. IM not saying he will avoid them. But until Pryor can start running clean routes, and Doctson can actually at minimum PRACTICE with the team, they are not Kirks primary targets. Cause lets face it, the next week Doctson has a full week of practice with no Achilllies, hamstring or other ailments that hold him to limited practice, will be the first week since he was drafted where he wasnt limited in practice in some form. So unless Gruden starts to force it with the play calling, as in two WRs a RB a FB and a blocking TE on a designed pass play, Im just not seeing as to where Kirk is going to force it into either of them. Because they havent earned that level of trust yet.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Come now, thats a fan view if i ever saw one.

Doctoson and Pryor havent earned the QBs trust. IM not saying he will avoid them. But until Pryor can start running clean routes, and Doctson can actually at minimum PRACTICE with the team, they are not Kirks primary targets. Cause lets face it, the next week Doctson has a full week of practice with no Achilllies, hamstring or other ailments that hold him to limited practice, will be the first week since he was drafted where he wasnt limited in practice in some form. So unless Gruden starts to force it with the play calling, as in two WRs a RB a FB and a blocking TE on a designed pass play, Im just not seeing as to where Kirk is going to force it into either of them. Because they havent earned that level of trust yet.

Again you are not giving Cousins enough credit. You are portraying him as an RG3 type QB in this situation. He won't fixate on anyone - he will take what the defense gives him. On any given play it could be Reed, Doctson, Pryor, Crowder, CT or whoever. If he sees any of these guys as open (or possibly not completely open as shown recently) I don't believe he will hesitate to throw it to them.

This whole thing IMO sounds very similar to all of the bitching about the O line in week 1. Like I said if these guys continue to have issues - fine - go in another direction, but it is way too early to give up on either of them.

BTW - how is suggesting that a QB take advantage of all weapons viewed as being some type of homer fan? Don't understand.

 

[gkekoa]

I don't think that you are giving Cousins enough credit. He is going to try to take advantage of all of his weapons. Again - you are viewing this from a fans perspective. A QB can't afford to hold grudges or ignore players based on previous results (unless they occur many, many times). If Kirk limits his weapons as you suggest then he is toast. Other teams will pickup on these tendencies & adjust accordingly. As a matter fact Cousins may be aware of this & actually go the other route & go more often to Pryor & Doctson.

A lack of confidence is not the same as holding a grudge. It isn't a fans perspective. It is an athlete's perspective. There was a reason he threw tight to Pierre Garçon and seldom went right to DJ.

 

[Sharkinva]

Again you are not giving Cousins enough credit. You are portraying him as an RG3 type QB in this situation. He won't fixate on anyone - he will take what the defense gives him. On any given play it could be Reed, Doctson, Pryor, Crowder, CT or whoever. If he sees any of these guys as open (or possibly not completely open as shown recently) I don't believe he will hesitate to throw it to them.

This whole thing IMO sounds very similar to all of the bitching about the O line in week 1. Like I said if these guys continue to have issues - fine - go in another direction, but it is way too early to give up on either of them.

BTW - how is suggesting that a QB take advantage of all weapons viewed as being some type of homer fan? Don't understand.

I will say its a fan view, or rather overly optimistic that these guys will just get it. Its going to take work, and its going to take Cousins trusting them. Right now he doesnt in my opinion. Pryor because there timing is off, and Doctson because he is never healthy enough for them to even develop timing. If Kirk were more of an off script type of QB, I think we would see vastly different numbers from Pryor at least.

As for the week one bitching... I think I have a very valid gripe with the Doctson thing. You dont practice, you dont develop that Chemistry and trust from the QB. So if he is WTFO, or even in solid position I expect Kirk to give him a chance. But he isnt going to be the first or even second option unless the personnel group on the field dictates it.

 

[gkekoa]

I will say its a fan view, or rather overly optimistic that these guys will just get it. Its going to take work, and its going to take Cousins trusting them. Right now he doesnt in my opinion. Pryor because there timing is off, and Doctson because he is never healthy enough for them to even develop timing. If Kirk were more of an off script type of QB, I think we would see vastly different numbers from Pryor at least.

As for the week one bitching... I think I have a very valid gripe with the Doctson thing. You dont practice, you dont develop that Chemistry and trust from the QB. So if he is WTFO, or even in solid position I expect Kirk to give him a chance. But he isnt going to be the first or even second option unless the personnel group on the field dictates it.

Whose decision was it for him not to practice?

 

[Sharkinva]

Whose decision was it for him not to practice?

Most likely the teams. But that would be with information from him that something hurts. Now mind you I would never suggest that a player gut through it if they are really injured and risk making it worse. But you also got to remember one of my favorite current players, did an entire college season on a rebuilt knee that e had fixed on Monday, started the game saturday and never missed a game. So Im a bit biased when it comes to the whole Im hurt so I can practice thing.