So what would be an acceptable season

[Sharkinva]

Wait, are you guys basing this question on the QB play or the team play, under Gruden? Based on some responses here, it's the team play because people are citing health, actually poor health.

If that's the case, then with Kirk or Smith at QB, and good health then this team should be as good as Gruden can make them. another similar unhealthy year and we end up 7-9.

Neither KC nor AS gets us anything, QB being the most dependent position on the field, it will be the team that gets us there, that's on Gruden.

Well for me, if we are going what i expect.. 7-9 or worse because I do think we took a step back at QB.

What would change my mind on that is if with the healthy team, and upgrades in talent i expect them to bring in, IM a step behind Skinsdad on this one. If we make the playoffs and win a game, I would find it acceptable. anything short of a playoffs win is a failure.

Because with healthy, and talent.. I expected at least that from a Cousins lead team.

 

[chillerdab]

An acceptable season would be one where the One-Trick-Pony admits he's not really a redskins fan, along with the new Eagle fan we have parading around as a redskins fan on this site.

Playoffs is an acceptable season. It'll probably mean the Redskins won 10 games.

I don't think that's out of the picture, even with Alex Smith.

 

[Sharkinva]

An acceptable season would be one where the One-Trick-Pony admits he's not really a redskins fan, along with the new Eagle fan we have parading around as a redskins fan on this site.

Playoffs is an acceptable season. It'll probably mean the Redskins won 10 games.

I don't think that's out of the picture, even with Alex Smith.

Odds are I was a fan of the Redskins before you were an itch in daddys left nut. I dont hate the team, I hate the owner and his puppet lacky.

I have been fed the line Smith is better than Cousins. So I expect at least what I would have with Cousins as our starter as an acceptable season. A playoffs appearance and a win in the playoffs.

I simply dont think Smith is the QB to do it.

 

[Stymietee]

Well for me, if we are going what i expect.. 7-9 or worse because I do think we took a step back at QB.

What would change my mind on that is if with the healthy team, and upgrades in talent i expect them to bring in, IM a step behind Skinsdad on this one. If we make the playoffs and win a game, I would find it acceptable. anything short of a playoffs win is a failure.

Because with healthy, and talent.. I expected at least that from a Cousins lead team.

That works for me, except the step back thing with QB's. That's because I think it's a wash and here's why:

I do think that Kirk is a better passer than Smith period. Both are competent, but Kirk's better.

I think Smith gets an edge for NOT taking the chances that Kirk will. Instead he opts for what he can actually get vs what he hopes to get. (CDC = less ints.)

Smith just had his best season throwing the long ball, Kirk has been far more consistent doing it.

Kirk is learning to use and trust his legs more, that comes naturally to Smith.

Kirk sees more success throwing into real tight windows, Smith rarely takes those chances.

Smith will elongate a play because of his work in the pocket, Kirk is getting there.

In a nutshell, Kirk gives you things that Smith cannot, Smith gives you things that Kirk cannot, Both give things that any Good HC can exploit to make their offenses work.

There might be a lot of moaning and groaning here and elsewhere in Burgundy and Gold nation, but looking at Gruden the other day, didn't make me any more or any less concerned about what he's able to do to make this offense work with Smith, as it did with Kirk.

 

[Sharkinva]

That works for me, except the step back thing with QB's. That's because I think it's a wash and here's why:

I do think that Kirk is a better passer than Smith period. Both are competent, but Kirk's better.

I think Smith gets an edge for NOT taking the chances that Kirk will. Instead he opts for what he can actually get vs what he hopes to get. (CDC = less ints.)

Smith just had his best season throwing the long ball, Kirk has been far more consistent doing it.

Kirk is learning to use and trust his legs more, that comes naturally to Smith.

Kirk sees more success throwing into real tight windows, Smith rarely takes those chances.

Smith will elongate a play because of his work in the pocket, Kirk is getting there.

In a nutshell, Kirk gives you things that Smith cannot, Smith gives you things that Kirk cannot, Both give things that any Good HC can exploit to make their offenses work.

There might be a lot of moaning and groaning here and elsewhere in Burgundy and Gold nation, but looking at Gruden the other day, didn't make me any more or any less concerned about what he's able to do to make this offense work with Smith, as it did with Kirk.

IN a perfect world, all you said is solid and good.

Problem is this... Smith wont be the reason we lost, he also wont be the reason we won.

So without a major defensive improvement, and a ground game that can help... Smith simply cant do what Kirk did... carry the team.

Now I expect Bruce is going to give Smith everything he either accidentally or intentionally did not Give Cousins last year. Namely

WRs who arent projects.
More of a ground game
More defensive talent and depth.

So if we improve every place else, and still only hit the 7-9 to 9-7 range... then QB wasnt a wash after all.

 

[Stymietee]

IN a perfect world, all you said is solid and good.

Problem is this... Smith wont be the reason we lost, he also wont be the reason we won.

So without a major defensive improvement, and a ground game that can help... Smith simply cant do what Kirk did... carry the team.

Now I expect Bruce is going to give Smith everything he either accidentally or intentionally did not Give Cousins last year. Namely

WRs who arent projects.
More of a ground game
More defensive talent and depth.

So if we improve every place else, and still only hit the 7-9 to 9-7 range... then QB wasnt a wash after all.

Not to be too disagreeable, but Kirk didn't carry this offensive team last year, the guy who did and was clear offensive MVP for us was Chris Thompson. I think that people in their quest to give QB's more blame and more credit than they deserve, often overlook other players, had a vote been taken prior to getting his leg broken, he would have won that honor in a landslide.

Notice I didn't use the term "carry" in this response other than in the way you posed it. There's a reason, and that is...carry to what? If the answer is competitiveness in the face of all of the injuries, then don't we give credit to Gruden for getting his players to not quit on him and others to contribute? (See: Ryan Grant) That, above anything that was done on the field was the reason why they stayed competitive IMO.

 

[skinsdad62]

without KC this team wins 3 games last year because old colt wont cut it . CT was the MVP but he got hurt

a true analysis of this team is without a strong running game and a top 15 defense (yards AND scoring ) we will have more of the same

smith and this offense will struggle early . it happens with a new qb and this team will be better at the end of the year if healthy

but health is a key and our training staff hasnt done its job for about a decade and we dont have the depth we need just yet .

 

[Stymietee]

without KC this team wins 3 games last year because old colt wont cut it . CT was the MVP but he got hurt

a true analysis of this team is without a strong running game and a top 15 defense (yards AND scoring ) we will have more of the same

smith and this offense will struggle early . it happens with a new qb and this team will be better at the end of the year if healthy

but health is a key and our training staff hasnt done its job for about a decade and we dont have the depth we need just yet .

We are just going to have to disagree on our win total with and without Kirk, in fact I'll agree that with Colt we only get 3 or 4 wins at best, how many we win or lose with someone other than Colt depends on who that would have been.

Everything else, I'm wit cha man!

 

[reptec101]

The real winning season won't be about wins or losses but solely on how KC does with new team. How many would have felt like dog poop had RG3 led Cleveland to a title game. Talk about a mutiny here at Redskin park. Same will be with KC. Don't get me wrong... if we win just 5 games than yes it's a horrible season,,, but if KC leads Vikes or any team to an 8 win season or worse with no playoffs than we all start feeling a little better bout things.

Another question should be,, who want's KC to flop with his new team, and who want's to see him lead his new team to the SB?

 

[gkekoa]

The real winning season won't be about wins or losses but solely on how KC does with new team. How many would have felt like dog poop had RG3 led Cleveland to a title game. Talk about a mutiny here at Redskin park. Same will be with KC. Don't get me wrong... if we win just 5 games than yes it's a horrible season,,, but if KC leads Vikes or any team to an 8 win season or worse with no playoffs than we all start feeling a little better bout things.

Another question should be,, who want's KC to flop with his new team, and who want's to see him lead his new team to the SB?

How KC does elsewhere shouldn’t really matter. It will but it shouldn’t because of schemes. He fit well in this scheme.

That being said, I like KC and hope he wins the SB...if we don’t and find it literally impossible for us to do so. I want him to do well because he was a fourth round pick that paid his dues here, worked hard, earned but never received the respect of that ASSHAT Bruce Allen, and would love to see KC’s success lead to us firing said ASSHAT so we can get somebody capable of building a winning and respectable team and organization.

 

[skinsdad62]

The real winning season won't be about wins or losses but solely on how KC does with new team. How many would have felt like dog poop had RG3 led Cleveland to a title game. Talk about a mutiny here at Redskin park. Same will be with KC. Don't get me wrong... if we win just 5 games than yes it's a horrible season,,, but if KC leads Vikes or any team to an 8 win season or worse with no playoffs than we all start feeling a little better bout things.

Another question should be,, who want's KC to flop with his new team, and who want's to see him lead his new team to the SB?

KC is gone , what he does means little . we have CDC , what he does is what counts

 

[kbso83432]

It's so early, but assuming we pick up two starters in FA, two starters in the draft and re-sign Brown, I'd say 9-7 and in the hunt until week 17.

You can't trade two young guys(Fuller and #3pick) for Smith and go 7-9 or 6-10. That would be unacceptable. We could have gone 6-10 with a rookie or Taylor.

We have to at least be in the hunt all season long. I'm not talking about, "If we win our last five" type of in the hunt. I'm talking a 3-2 start, 7-5 after Thanksgiving, or 8-7/9-6 headed into the final weekend.

That would be acceptable. Anything short of that and Gruden is gonna get fired anyway. Bruce will scapegoat him and the shiny new toy to keep us all interested will be a new coaching staff.

 

[chillerdab]

Odds are I was a fan of the Redskins before you were an itch in daddys left nut. I dont hate the team, I hate the owner and his puppet lacky.

I have been fed the line Smith is better than Cousins. So I expect at least what I would have with Cousins as our starter as an acceptable season. A playoffs appearance and a win in the playoffs.

I simply dont think Smith is the QB to do it.

I'm pretty sure you haven't been a fan longer than I have, but then again, I don't give a shit if you have or haven't. You still are a one-trick-pony.

Nobody fed you a line that "Smith is better than Cousins." You made that up, like you make many, many, many things up.

You don't like the redskins. You don't like Snyder. You don't like Allen. You think they are mismanaged. You disagree with every decision they ever make.

You're annoying to the nth degree. You ARE the one-trick-pony.

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm pretty sure you haven't been a fan longer than I have, but then again, I don't give a shit if you have or haven't. You still are a one-trick-pony.

Nobody fed you a line that "Smith is better than Cousins." You made that up, like you make many, many, many things up.

You don't like the redskins. You don't like Snyder. You don't like Allen. You think they are mismanaged. You disagree with every decision they ever make.

You're annoying to the nth degree. You ARE the one-trick-pony.

well chiller perhaps you should talk with the SDFC because i have 4 directly stating that on the record

 

[Sportster 72]

I'm pretty sure you haven't been a fan longer than I have, but then again, I don't give a shit if you have or haven't. You still are a one-trick-pony.

Nobody fed you a line that "Smith is better than Cousins." You made that up, like you make many, many, many things up.

You don't like the redskins. You don't like Snyder. You don't like Allen. You think they are mismanaged. You disagree with every decision they ever make.

You're annoying to the nth degree. You ARE the one-trick-pony.

If you are annoyed don't read sharks posts.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

well here is my position , i fully believe that with a healthy squad KC would have had us in the playoffs with 10 wins and i believe we would have won the ensuing WC game . that would put us in the divisional round

now depending on which day it is and which way the wind blows i am told that CDC is the better qb and hence i should expect better results . never mind he will have a better defense and run game to work with CDC has been deemed better (on some days depending on the weather ) so in light of that i should expect a BETTER result

what does a better result look like ? well stupid old me has the audacity to say that a better result is 2 playoff wins . when i went to school in the 70's and graduated in the 80 , i was under the stupid impression that 2 wins was better then one win . so by that flawed logic i say an NFC championship game appearance is the clear standard

but to the SDFC the standard is now not reaching toward excellence but treading water at a more economical price so 8-10 wins is in order and making the playoffs

what gets lost in this is my speculation that KC gets a playoff win somehow doesnt cut the mustard in a damn question of SPECULATION . hence my speculation that a NFC championship appearance from the so called better qb is somehow unfair to cdc and is considered hate speech . and further more these tender soles believe i should not be a mod for stirring the pot or putting my opinion down in text

so since my expectation of excellence is clearly hate speech i am going to say that 6 wins and 3rd place in the division is a successful season because in the end we saved money running this franchise like a thrift shop and dan made some money which is what the goal really is

Redskins' Opponents For The 2018 Season Confirmed

LOL - peace brother. This whole topic appears to be devolving into an "us vs them" argument between Skins fans. Time to move on as Redskins fans & hope for the best (you can still hate Snyder/Allen & badmouth the Cousins situation) since you can't undo things.

I find it amusing that some folks are actually suggesting that a playoff appearance could actually be a bad thing since they could do better with other folks still on the team. Cmon - get real. We also still don't know if Kirk can win in the clutch - that has always been his weakness. I am not stating that he may not have overcome this & may do well in this area next season (or that team injuries & other factors held him back) - it is just yet to be proven (don't take this as me being a Cousins hater - I am not).

Barring major injuries to me a 9-7 or better record would be a sign of success. The schedule should be pretty tough w/ the NFC-S and the up & coming AFC-S as well as tough in division games. To me a big key will be not so much the offense but what they do with the defense this offseason & if certain players stay healthy and/or are re-signed. Adding a key defensive player or two & getting solid contributions from players like Allen & Brown (& maybe someone like Murphy) could go a long way in improving this team. We will see.

 

[Sportster 72]

For long time Redskin fans and I think only Sty has a couple of more years of fandom than me. Most of our time as Redskin fans has not been great.

Until Vince Lombardi came the only thing to root for was Sonny, Charley, Bobby, Sam, Chris Hanburger and Jerry Smith. Oh a Paul Kraus but yes we traded away the best safety the team ever had.

Two years after we got Vince then lost him after one year George Allen arrived. We will call him the "good Allen." The Redskins were mostly relevant until the first Gibbs run ended.

Although many including me have not been happy with Dan and his Merry Men (Vinny and Bruce) the decline of the team started when Gibbs went to NASCAR. Norv bombed or was 50/50, Shuler bombed and then came Dan. Cousin's is not the only good player the FO has let get away. What about Antonio Pierce and I am forgetting others.

It is part of being a fan. So now I say .... GO Rams!! HEY!! We were called the Ramskins when George first got here and traded for half of his old Rams team. LOL Really there is nothing to do but hope for a miracle and root for the hometown team.

 

[Skins2021]

For long time Redskin fans and I think only Sty has a couple of more years of fandom than me. Most of our time as Redskin fans has not been great.

Until Vince Lombardi came the only thing to root for was Sonny, Charley, Bobby, Sam, Chris Hanburger and Jerry Smith. Oh a Paul Kraus but yes we traded away the best safety the team ever had.

Two years after we got Vince then lost him after one year George Allen arrived. We will call him the "good Allen." The Redskins were mostly relevant until the first Gibbs run ended.

Although many including me have not been happy with Dan and his Merry Men (Vinny and Bruce) the decline of the team started when Gibbs went to NASCAR. Norv bombed or was 50/50, Shuler bombed and then came Dan. Cousin's is not the only good player the FO has let get away. What about Antonio Pierce and I am forgetting others.

It is part of being a fan. So now I say .... GO Rams!! HEY!! We were called the Ramskins when George first got here and traded for half of his old Rams team. LOL Really there is nothing to do but hope for a miracle and root for the hometown team.

Ryan Clark
Fred Smoot
Brad Johnson
Alfred Morris
Champ Bailey

they all come to mind too

 

[skinsdad62]

Redskins' Opponents For The 2018 Season Confirmed

LOL - peace brother. This whole topic appears to be devolving into an "us vs them" argument between Skins fans. Time to move on as Redskins fans & hope for the best (you can still hate Snyder/Allen & badmouth the Cousins situation) since you can't undo things.

I find it amusing that some folks are actually suggesting that a playoff appearance could actually be a bad thing since they could do better with other folks still on the team. Cmon - get real. We also still don't know if Kirk can win in the clutch - that has always been his weakness. I am not stating that he may not have overcome this & may do well in this area next season (or that team injuries & other factors held him back) - it is just yet to be proven (don't take this as me being a Cousins hater - I am not).

Barring major injuries to me a 9-7 or better record would be a sign of success. The schedule should be pretty tough w/ the NFC-S and the up & coming AFC-S as well as tough in division games. To me a big key will be not so much the offense but what they do with the defense this offseason & if certain players stay healthy and/or are re-signed. Adding a key defensive player or two & getting solid contributions from players like Allen & Brown (& maybe someone like Murphy) could go a long way in improving this team. We will see.

if some people are selling me better then that is my standard . i have said why and backed it up .
but alas the people who are selling me better are now back tracking to "as good as" .

i will stop bashing the trade soon enough , which is my real bone of contention , not CDC per se.

if he were signed as an FA i would be good with it . but trading a borderline PB CB and giving up a 3rd rounder to boot just irks the hell out of me , and people saying that the other FA's qbs werent any kind of answer again irks me because it simply isnt true at all .

i can get 9-7 out of bradford , keenum , TB just as easliy without giving out draft capitol and throwing away a good draft capitol

and the last thing that really makes me want to continue all of this nonsense and not move on is the expectation that i am supposed to wrap my arms around the new qb and "support the team " when in fact the past 3 years the people telling me this line of BS are the very ones WHO DID NOT DO IT WITH KC .

so i am supposed to accept a standard , they themselves didnt come close to achieving ?

go through all the game threads and post games and weekly critiques and tell me with an honest face that these people walked the walk that i am supposed to walk now ?

not one of them was calling for a group hug and singing kumbaya when the shoe was on the other foot

and now they have the nerve to ask me to "take the high road " ? well i might give it a rest soon when i have made my point about these people who were false from day one about liking , giving the guy a chance , and all the other BS because they simply didnt have the guts to say , i dont like KC and nothing he does will satisfy my dislike .

instead we had 3 yrs of falseness, goal post moving , and critiques from everything to OTA passes to game day , nonstop for 3 years

now i wont go on for 3 years but i will go on to make my point

 

[Sharkinva]

if some people are selling me better then that is my standard . i have said why and backed it up .
but alas the people who are selling me better are now back tracking to "as good as" .

i will stop bashing the trade soon enough , which is my real bone of contention , not CDC per se.

if he were signed as an FA i would be good with it . but trading a borderline PB CB and giving up a 3rd rounder to boot just irks the hell out of me , and people saying that the other FA's qbs werent any kind of answer again irks me because it simply isnt true at all .

i can get 9-7 out of bradford , keenum , TB just as easliy without giving out draft capitol and throwing away a good draft capitol

and the last thing that really makes me want to continue all of this nonsense and not move on is the expectation that i am supposed to wrap my arms around the new qb and "support the team " when in fact the past 3 years the people telling me this line of BS are the very ones WHO DID NOT DO IT WITH KC .

so i am supposed to accept a standard , they themselves didnt come close to achieving ?

go through all the game threads and post games and weekly critiques and tell me with an honest face that these people walked the walk that i am supposed to walk now ?

not one of them was calling for a group hug and singing kumbaya when the shoe was on the other foot

and now they have the nerve to ask me to "take the high road " ? well i might give it a rest soon when i have made my point about these people who were false from day one about liking , giving the guy a chance , and all the other BS because they simply didnt have the guts to say , i dont like KC and nothing he does will satisfy my dislike .

instead we had 3 yrs of falseness, goal post moving , and critiques from everything to OTA passes to game day , nonstop for 3 years

now i wont go on for 3 years but i will go on to make my point

By not towing the Bruce Allen line and embracing the awesome move...

You sir risk being labeled a one trick pony, not a fan of the Redskins and simply a hater.