So now that the season is over...

[Cincyfan78]

most QBs see a man open and throwDalton throws and hopes he gets open
most of our deep reception to green were a result of green just out battling for the ball
our receivers are slow
bernard is slow
secondary is slow
our pass rush is weak
Hue is bad
Marvin is bad
....so just a tweak here and there and we're fine

what I'm not going to do is blame green.

I disagree with this. Good QB's anticipate the route the WR is open...they see the window before the WR is open and throw to the spot they are supposed to be in.

Dalton, on the other hand, waits until the WR is in the window and then throws...by the time the ball arrives, the WR is no longer open.

The few times he does anticipate, it seems the WR then runs the wrong route...

LOL

 

[NCBengal]

Dalton needs to go. If there's someone that is actually an upgrade over Marvin, then sure. As of right now, I'm not sure who that is. That's the part that most people don't consider when they scream "fire so and so". I just don't know who in the hell is out there that is scalar and would come to the Bengals.

They had better hope that guys get healthy and that Marvin Jones is as good as they think he is because next year is going to be more of the same if they don't improve the receiving core. There was nobody getting open yesterday and I'm actually surprised it wasn't worse.

I agree with everything you say here about Marvin and the same could be said about Dalton. Seriously, who could we get at QB (realistically) that is better than Dalton? That's the larger issue -- not a lot of available talent at the position that would be productive. Maybe AJ but there would be a learning curve there too.

 

[DanBengalfan]

one of the bad things about AJ McCarron is that his arm is not that much stronger than Dalton's

 

[CrashDavisSports]

one of the bad things about AJ McCarron is that his arm is not that much stronger than Dalton's

Is he better in command in the huddle like Esiason used to be?

Can he motivate the players around him to give their all?

Does he have good pocket awareness?

Is he able to look defenders off one side of coverage to come back to it?

Is he a tough son of a bitch that will gain respect from his teammates?

It is not all about the arm strength. I would like my QB to have a cannon for an arm, but to me, t he above things are the most important. So if McCarron does not have those abilities with a weaker arm, then you have to consider him a backup forever. If he does, when our talent is healthy, he could do a lot of great things with this team.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Remember when somebody on here said it was ridiculous to let MJ, Collins and Hawk go when you had the salary cap room to sign all three? Dude was called a bitch..... Now we don't have depth, playmakers or a pass rush and it's a problem?

I screamed and yelled to resign Johnson and Collins. Both of them were huge parts of this team. Johnson was the best all around DL this team had last year. He was fantastic against the run and pass. He also allowed us to use Gillberry how he should be used, as a rotational pass rusher at DE and DT. Losing him hurt more than most will ever want to admit. Collins I don't think was as big of a loss because I think Winston played pretty well at RT.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Dalton needs to go. If there's someone that is actually an upgrade over Marvin, then sure. As of right now, I'm not sure who that is. That's the part that most people don't consider when they scream "fire so and so". I just don't know who in the hell is out there that is scalar and would come to the Bengals.

They had better hope that guys get healthy and that Marvin Jones is as good as they think he is because next year is going to be more of the same if they don't improve the receiving core. There was nobody getting open yesterday and I'm actually surprised it wasn't worse.

I would rather replace them and absolutely suck than ride with them knowing we aren't going to win. Sometimes you have to risk it and hope it works out. It may or may not, but you can't get anywhere if you don't take risks. Fire Marv, fire Guenther, I'm ok with Hue personally. Get someone to challenge Dalton and let them battle it out. If Dalton wins then he has 1 season to do something. It wouldn't make sense with the way his contract is set up to cut him now, but after next season if he doesn't do something he is cut.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Is he better in command in the huddle like Esiason used to be?

Can he motivate the players around him to give their all?

Does he have good pocket awareness?

Is he able to look defenders off one side of coverage to come back to it?

Is he a tough son of a bitch that will gain respect from his teammates?

It is not all about the arm strength. I would like my QB to have a cannon for an arm, but to me, t he above things are the most important. So if McCarron does not have those abilities with a weaker arm, then you have to consider him a backup forever. If he does, when our talent is healthy, he could do a lot of great things with this team.

AJ McCarron is not the answer. I truly hope I'm wrong but if you really break down his game tape it's not good at all.

 

[DanBengalfan]

AJ McCarron is not the answer. I truly hope I'm wrong but if you really break down his game tape it's not good at all.

right. I wasn't saying that arm strength is everything, but in our offense I think it's necessary, otherwise why bother drafting a deep threat receiver? We've seen the ceiling with Dalton, it would be nice to give McCarron a try, but he probably needs another year or two since he had the injury setback.
bottom line, NFL QB who doesn't have the physical tool set to be an NFL QB isn't an NFL QB for long and that could possibly be McCarron's downfall as well, the injury doesn't help.

 

[bengaldoug]

Dalton needs to be replaced, but I have no clue where to find the guy. I also don't think McCarron is the answer.

Maybe Ryan Lindley will be available.....



Where's that Aaron Rodgers tree? Let's pick one of those.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Dalton needs to be replaced, but I have no clue where to find the guy. I also don't think McCarron is the answer.

Maybe Ryan Lindley will be available.....



Where's that Aaron Rodgers tree? Let's pick one of those.

There are a lot of guys available drafted the same year as Dalton. Hell sign them all and lets see who is better. Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Mallett.

 

[bphillips4gg]

I would rather replace them and absolutely suck than ride with them knowing we aren't going to win. Sometimes you have to risk it and hope it works out. It may or may not, but you can't get anywhere if you don't take risks. Fire Marv, fire Guenther, I'm ok with Hue personally. Get someone to challenge Dalton and let them battle it out. If Dalton wins then he has 1 season to do something. It wouldn't make sense with the way his contract is set up to cut him now, but after next season if he doesn't do something he is cut.

Yes, because the 90's were much better than the last 4 years. Let's go back to doing that.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Yes, because the 90's were much better than the last 4 years. Let's go back to doing that.

I had a lot more fun watching when we sucked then bitter disappointment every year. What is the point of staying put? You can't get better like that. It's a cowards way of doing things. Fear the risk and you will never get better.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I had a lot more fun watching when we sucked then bitter disappointment every year. What is the point of staying put? You can't get better like that. It's a cowards way of doing things. Fear the risk and you will never get better.

Only a draft guy would say this, because there is so little fun in watching a season where we go 5-11 versus 10-5-1 and being 1 and done in the playoffs.

I will take the one and done every year, versus the damn 5-11 years.

 

[bphillips4gg]

I had a lot more fun watching when we sucked then bitter disappointment every year. What is the point of staying put? You can't get better like that. It's a cowards way of doing things. Fear the risk and you will never get better.

The point is Marvin isn't the problem. Just like Dusty Baker wasn't the problem for the Reds. But everyone's (completely fucking moronic) reaction is to blame the manager/coach etc. The problem with this team is they have no depth, no pass rush, a mediocre QB and too many injuries. If anything the one guy you want to give a pass is the one guy that's had the biggest hand in the problem because he can't help but to start throwing the ball when he has a below average QB and receivers but had the best l running back tandem I'm the NFL. Marvin isn't the best coach in the NFL, he's also nowhere close to as bad as people want to make him out to be.

If they can find a better alternative, fine. If not, I'll take a shot at the playoffs every year instead of losing interest by week 10 because they're already eliminated from the playoffs.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Only a draft guy would say this, because there is so little fun in watching a season where we go 5-11 versus 10-5-1 and being 1 and done in the playoffs.

I will take the one and done every year, versus the damn 5-11 years.

I generally end up doing more projects around the house during the losing years, lol.
hard to watch 5-11 team when they are blacked out or sure to lose because they are on the road.

 

[Tubbs1518]

The point is Marvin isn't the problem. Just like Dusty Baker wasn't the problem for the Reds. But everyone's (completely fucking moronic) reaction is to blame the manager/coach etc. The problem with this team is they have no depth, no pass rush, a mediocre QB and too many injuries. If anything the one guy you want to give a pass is the one guy that's had the biggest hand in the problem because he can't help but to start throwing the ball when he has a below average QB and receivers but had the best l running back tandem I'm the NFL. Marvin isn't the best coach in the NFL, he's also nowhere close to as bad as people want to make him out to be.

If they can find a better alternative, fine. If not, I'll take a shot at the playoffs every year instead of losing interest by week 10 because they're already eliminated from the playoffs.

Both Marv and Dusty were absolutely the problem. Marv has no idea how to adjust, no idea how to make players better, no idea how to manage a game. Sure he is pretty good at talent evaluation, give him a job like that. He can't lead a team. He has proven that not having won a playoff game in 101 games.

 

[DanBengalfan]

The point is Marvin isn't the problem. Just like Dusty Baker wasn't the problem for the Reds. But everyone's (completely fucking moronic) reaction is to blame the manager/coach etc. The problem with this team is they have no depth, no pass rush, a mediocre QB and too many injuries. If anything the one guy you want to give a pass is the one guy that's had the biggest hand in the problem because he can't help but to start throwing the ball when he has a below average QB and receivers but had the best l running back tandem I'm the NFL. Marvin isn't the best coach in the NFL, he's also nowhere close to as bad as people want to make him out to be.

If they can find a better alternative, fine. If not, I'll take a shot at the playoffs every year instead of losing interest by week 10 because they're already eliminated from the playoffs.

right, not sure who we hire. and we know this franchises track record with coaches.
we had a DC here that could have been a good HC, but he's with MIN now.

 

[cincygrad]

I'm not a Marv fan.

But getting this team to the playoffs this season was impressive. He had Andy Dalton as his quarterback and his best two players spent most of the year on the bench.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I'm not a Marv fan.

But getting this team to the playoffs this season was impressive. He had Andy Dalton as his quarterback and his best two players spent most of the year on the bench.

I don't think it was as difficult as you think. Look at the teams we played and who we beat.

Ravens
Falcons
Titans
Ravens
Jaguars
Saints
Texans
Buccs
Browns
Broncos

So we won a lucky game against the Broncos, beat the Ravens twice early before injuries mounted and no one else.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Both Marv and Dusty were absolutely the problem. Marv has no idea how to adjust, no idea how to make players better, no idea how to manage a game. Sure he is pretty good at talent evaluation, give him a job like that. He can't lead a team. He has proven that not having won a playoff game in 101 games.

I think I saw...84-13...that's what the Bengals have been outscored by in the playoffs in the 2nd half...84-13.

I think Marvin and Dusty are very similar. They are guys you want to bring along a young club that needs the patiences and hand-holding to get them to become better. However, they lack the intesity to get their teams to the next level once they reach it.

Sucks, but it does happen. Some guys are just better suited for certain situations than others. For some, they are better coordinators than head coaches. Some are better head coaches than coordinators. Some do well turning a team around, and others do better with an established team and taking them to the next level.

I think Marvin was exactly what this team needed in 2002, and again when they jetted Palmer and started over. I think he would make a hell of a GM. However, I think his coaching style lacks something that enables this team, or pushes this team, into the next phase.

Would it be a risk? Yeah, it's a risk. Your trading in playoff appearances and hoping for more, but could get less. This list of teams making changes for post-season failure is a long one, and the list of those teams that make changes and then fail to make the playoffs under new management is also a decent one, but it's a chance you have to take if you want to be great instead of just good.

For so long, so many of us just wanted the Bengals to 'just be good' that the first few playoffs and failures were ok...but Marvin is now 0-6 here...5 losses in the past 6 years...It's time to graduate from good. It's time to take that risk to be great. Dare to be great.

Of course...it won't happen. Marvin is here to stay...