So, Is The "U" Back?

[jjc2009]

What does that make ND if Michigan beat ND? Wasn't the Irish the Buckeyes bitch in 2006 Fiesta Bowl? And I think Michigan leads the series against ND. Keep on bitchin'.

Sure if you count games before 1900. If you look at when there was any semblance of a consistent rivalry 1978- it’s actually tied.

 

[jjc2009]

No, they are not and after losing to Florida International and being shut out by Louisiana Tech couldn’t be further from it.

Hey but they got two recruits. Or something ...

 

[jjc2009]

I don't think either program will ever break through until they move on from their current coaches

This. Kelly has a ceiling. He’s good enough to occasionally get them in the playoffs but that level of talent is too high to compete against.

He’ll leave it better then he found it for sure but to get to the next level they’ll need a next level coach.

 

[Across The Field]

This. Kelly has a ceiling. He’s good enough to occasionally get them in the playoffs but that level of talent is too high to compete against.

He’ll leave it better then he found it for sure but to get to the next level they’ll need a next level coach.

Nick Saban is the exception right now. Younger coaches are leading the charge in college football. I know Orgeron just won a title, but I have very tempered expectations for them this year having lost Burrow and Joe Brady. Brady was the key to their offensive turnaround (don't forget that Burrow was very mediocre in 2018), and unless they get another young, up-tempo OC to replace him, I could see them go back to having a pretty bland offense. ND and michigan are in this same boat. They both have talent on offense, but their schemes are outdated and they don't really do anything that scares anyone.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Still finished higher in the rankings. Just sayin

We finished the year with Ohio State and Alabama, not Stanford and Iowa State. So congrats. You were definitely the better team

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Nick Saban is the exception right now. Younger coaches are leading the charge in college football. I know Orgeron just won a title, but I have very tempered expectations for them this year having lost Burrow and Joe Brady. Brady was the key to their offensive turnaround (don't forget that Burrow was very mediocre in 2018), and unless they get another young, up-tempo OC to replace him, I could see them go back to having a pretty bland offense. ND and michigan are in this same boat. They both have talent on offense, but their schemes are outdated and they don't really do anything that scares anyone.

Young coaches are leading the charge? Dabo is 50. Orgeron is 58. Saban is 68. Urban was 50 when he won the title at OSU.
Which young coaches are leading the charge?

 

[Rolltide94]

It is more pointing out — Notre Dame is in the same boat as UM, Nebraska, Penn State.

We will be forever stuck under the truly elite teams, until we find a way to pull more kids out of the south as recruits.

As long as the overwhelming majority of elite recruits are in the South. That’s where the truly elite teams will be.

You just have to wait it out...Once this global warming really takes off, and temperatures are 125 in the shade in Orlando in September, Michigan will look nice.

 

[Deep Creek]

ND's boat has a cfp appearance and a title game appearance though. It's not much, but it's something.

And that is an accomplishment IMO...even if teams get whipped in the semis. At least they made it!

Correct me if I'm wrong but only 10 teams have made it to the CFP so far. Nine until this year. Thanks to LSU for putting some new blood in the CFP.

 

[Across The Field]

Young coaches are leading the charge? Dabo is 50. Orgeron is 58. Saban is 68. Urban was 50 when he won the title at OSU.
Which young coaches are leading the charge?

Dabo just turned 50 a couple of months ago, but he's had Clemson winning big since he was in his early 40s, and he still very much carries himself with that type of youth. I already pointed out about Orgeron. I think last year is going to be the exception for him where everything just happened to work out right. I also already pointed out that Saban is the one outlier to this. Urban was 50 when he won the title, and that was his best team at OSU. He also doesn't coach anymore so he's irrelevant to this conversation.

Dabo is 50 and has been winning big since his early 40s, Ryan day is 40, Lincoln Riley is 36, Mario Cristobal is 49, Kirby Smart is 44, Dan Mullen is 47, James Franklin is 47, PJ Fleck is 39. These are the coaches of top 10 teams. I would say 50 and under is young for a high-achieving head coach of a major college football program. Look back in the 2000s. The best coaches were all at least in their mid-50s. That's not the case anymore. That was my point.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Dabo just turned 50 a couple of months ago, but he's had Clemson winning big since he was in his early 40s, and he still very much carries himself with that type of youth. I already pointed out about Orgeron. I think last year is going to be the exception for him where everything just happened to work out right. I also already pointed out that Saban is the one outlier to this. Urban was 50 when he won the title, and that was his best team at OSU. He also doesn't coach anymore so he's irrelevant to this conversation.

Dabo is 50 and has been winning big since his early 40s, Ryan day is 40, Lincoln Riley is 36, Mario Cristobal is 49, Kirby Smart is 44, Dan Mullen is 47, James Franklin is 47, PJ Fleck is 39. These are the coaches of top 10 teams. I would say 50 and under is young for a high-achieving head coach of a major college football program. Look back in the 2000s. The best coaches were all at least in their mid-50s. That's not the case anymore. That was my point.

If 50 and under is young. You have entire conferences whose HC’s average age is under 50.
The Big 12, back in 2017, even with that dinosaur Snyder, the average age was 46.

 

[Across The Field]

If 50 and under is young. You have entire conferences whose HC’s average age is under 50.
The Big 12, back in 2017, even with that dinosaur Snyder, the average age was 46.

I know, because that's the way college football is going. The best coaches in the 2000s were all at least in their mid-50s (if not older): Carroll, Tressel, Saban, Mack Brown, Lloyd Carr, Bobby Bowden, Joe Paterno, Larry Coker. Other than Bob Stoops, who was in his mid-40s, these were the elite coaches who were contending for national titles, and they were all at least in their mid-50s. Nowadays, the top coaches outside of Saban are almost a decade younger on average. Now, only Bama has a coach that old and who is consistently contending.

 

[Bedlam131]

 

[theboardref]

Hey but they got two recruits. Or something ...

Yea a kid that quit on his team in the first 4 games... a real winner.

 

[JuiceTheGator]

I can't even believe Miama is allowed to have a team. The entire program is just plain sinewy.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You just have to wait it out...Once this global warming really takes off, and temperatures are 125 in the shade in Orlando in September, Michigan will look nice.

So your saying there’s a chance!?!?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Sure if you count games before 1900. If you look at when there was any semblance of a consistent rivalry 1978- it’s actually tied.

Notre Dame and Michigan are in the exact same boat. Neither are located in an area where elite recruits are. Both have a national brand and a storied history that can bring in national recruits, but nowhere near the volume of the schools who have those kids in their backyard.
So if either school wants to compete for a national title, they are going to have to find an all-American QB. The talent level as a whole will not be the same as the other elite teams, but a game changer at QB makes those around him better.
When Auburn won, it was Cam Newton. When Clemson won their first, it was DeShaun Watson. LSU it was Joe Burrow.

That is just how the game is played today.

 

[Across The Field]

Notre Dame and Michigan are in the exact same boat. Neither are located in an area where elite recruits are. Both have a national brand and a storied history that can bring in national recruits, but nowhere near the volume of the schools who have those kids in their backyard.
So if either school wants to compete for a national title, they are going to have to find an all-American QB. The talent level as a whole will not be the same as the other elite teams, but a game changer at QB makes those around him better.
When Auburn won, it was Cam Newton. When Clemson won their first, it was DeShaun Watson. LSU it was Joe Burrow.

That is just how the game is played today.

When Ohio State won the title, it was a 3rd stringer with no experience.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

When Ohio State won the title, it was a 3rd stringer with no experience.

When another RB like Zeke comes around in the next 30 years — that team can win a title too.

 

[Across The Field]

When another RB like Zeke comes around in the next 30 years — that team can win a title too.

He wasn't even a 5*. In fact, the overwhelming majority of the stars from that team weren't. They were just better coached. And that's michigan's problem. They don't need some all-world QB, they need coaches who know how to win.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

He wasn't even a 5*. In fact, the overwhelming majority of the stars from that team weren't. They were just better coached. And that's michigan's problem. They don't need some all-world QB, they need coaches who know how to win.

Soooo, it was better coaching that got OSU to be competitive against Clemson, after being blown out by them a few years earlier?

Going out on a limb and saying Urban Meyer is light years better than Ryan Day as a coach, but what Ryan Day has this year was a truly elite QB.