Smack talk thread.

[Suhsyourdaddy]

Typing WORDS in all CAPS makes me feel really really COOL TOO.

I did watch the video. I've heard the entire presser many times. Don't you think they have played it to death on local radio up here? What part of anything I said didn't actually happen? He did exactly what I said he did.

Again, none of you can claim a THING about the Seahawks and their PED issues anymore. Just can't do it. Keep on trying, but you lost all credibility. There is a big difference between having guys under contract who get popped for it, and actually going out and trading for a guy who has already been popped for it. Which one is worse? No one in Seattle has intentionally brought a guy in to try out for the team who is a known drug user. Can you say the same about YOUR team? lolz.


I don't read long run on sentences by bitter fans so I won't bother with the end. I'll only respond to the first part. Bitter? Love the hypocrisy of your fan base. All I did was point out your team can't be considered above reproach when they are willing to bring in a known drug user who was arrested for a DUI the very week he was brought in. That is a fact.

You coach spoke on the public record and told the press he wanted his team to be above reproach and then a few weeks later his front office brought in a drug user loser. End of story. It just ruins that credibility. Sorry of that's just too hard for your base to handle, but it's the truth.

We have no drug using losers on our team. Can you say the same about YOUR team? lolz.

Until a player who has failed a drug test steps on the field for us, we are above reproach on the issue. Sorry you can't handle that. Even if happens once or twice, we still would have a LONG way to go to catch you guys.

 

[DunceKaep]

Are you talking about one of their best players who was busted for PED's and was NOT allowed back on the team after his suspension was up? Would love to see Carroll and co. to make an example like that. The difference is I'm not here trying to defend the cheaters actions like you guys do.

Melky played the 1st part of the season, and w/out his 'performance' they might not have been in position to make the playoffs. I know you are dying to come back with 'he didn't play the end of the season'. I get it. He DID help them get into that position though, without him, maybe no playoffs. Does the SF Giants WSChampionship seem a bit tainted since Melky was on the team.

To me it doesn't. How about you?

I see more attacking the Seahawks than I see fans defending our cheaters.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I curious to know what SF fans think about Barry Bonds.

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

Melky played the 1st part of the season, and w/out his 'performance' they might not have been in position to make the playoffs. I know you are dying to come back with 'he didn't play the end of the season'. I get it. He DID help them get into that position though, without him, maybe no playoffs. Does the SF Giants WSChampionship seem a bit tainted since Melky was on the team.

To me it doesn't. How about you?

I see more attacking the Seahawks than I see fans defending our cheaters.

Yeah, hard to say. I mean they did have a better winning % without him as the did with him. Obviously the argument that he helped us win games is valid. They had a pretty magical run in the post season, and they did it without Melky who was eligible for reinstatement.

 

[DunceKaep]

Yeah, hard to say. I mean they did have a better winning % without him as the did with him. Obviously the argument that he helped us win games is valid. They had a pretty magical run in the post season, and they did it without Melky who was eligible for reinstatement.

Yup, good call. He could have played, he didn't. Sent him a message.

 

[dredinis21]

Melky played the 1st part of the season, and w/out his 'performance' they might not have been in position to make the playoffs. I know you are dying to come back with 'he didn't play the end of the season'. I get it. He DID help them get into that position though, without him, maybe no playoffs. Does the SF Giants WSChampionship seem a bit tainted since Melky was on the team.

To me it doesn't. How about you?

I see more attacking the Seahawks than I see fans defending our cheaters.

You just nailed the difference. You are concerned with what Melky did while juicing to help the club. Giants mgmt didn't know what he was doing but once they found out, contract extension talks stopped immediately, all advertisements around the park that had to do with Melky (like his MelkMan section) were immediately removed, and when he was eligible to return in the post-season, the Giants wouldn't allow him back.

You can speculate all you want about his value pre-PED test, but us Giants fans focused on the actions of the organization AFTER it was found out he tested positive.

 

[dredinis21]

Typing WORDS in all CAPS makes me feel really really COOL TOO.

I did watch the video. I've heard the entire presser many times. Don't you think they have played it to death on local radio up here? What part of anything I said didn't actually happen? He did exactly what I said he did.

Again, none of you can claim a THING about the Seahawks and their PED issues anymore. Just can't do it. Keep on trying, but you lost all credibility. There is a big difference between having guys under contract who get popped for it, and actually going out and trading for a guy who has already been popped for it. Which one is worse? No one in Seattle has intentionally brought a guy in to try out for the team who is a known drug user. Can you say the same about YOUR team? lolz.


I don't read long run on sentences by bitter fans so I won't bother with the end. I'll only respond to the first part. Bitter? Love the hypocrisy of your fan base. All I did was point out your team can't be considered above reproach when they are willing to bring in a known drug user who was arrested for a DUI the very week he was brought in. That is a fact.

You coach spoke on the public record and told the press he wanted his team to be above reproach and then a few weeks later his front office brought in a drug user loser. End of story. It just ruins that credibility. Sorry of that's just too hard for your base to handle, but it's the truth.

Yup, pretty defensive of you. Pretty sure the only ones that see it that way are SEA fans grasping at whatever weakens the blow of SIX players testing positive. I'm also using short sentences so you can comprehend and follow along. A guy that never made it onto our roster is your "proof". Weak. Nice try, but weak. The ONE case of PED use while a member of the Niners was Larry Grant and he was not offered a contract at season's end although we could use a solid backup ILB.

 

[jakedog56]

Lol...ok jake, believe what you want. You have NO facts to prove that your players were only using adderall. All you are going off is their word. Yeah...your boys are not above cheating, but lord knows they would never tell a lie. There are many, many articles written about NFL players claiming adderall to cover up other PED's. It's simply common sense. It's not very likely that someone is going to risk suspension by taking just adderall alone.

This isn't a court of law. This is a message board. In the court of public opinion, Seattle is full of cheaters. Deal with it.

Hey, at least I am open to the possibilities that they may or may not be using this or that. You have tried and convicted everyone based on nothing but speculation. It is a rather sad chain of (lack of) evidence.

There are many massage board posts and a few articles that mention adderall as a masking agent but the FACTS remain that there is NO PROOF to validate this and the science does not support it. I have found valid scientific proof from professional medical sources that state that there is no evidence that it works as a masking agent. The USDFA and the EMA both have no studies that support these findings, but you would rather side with some guy on a message board that has no credibility. I suppose you believe in Bigfoot and the Lochness Monster also because someone, somewhere has written on a message board that they are real??

As far as "cheaters" go, as I stated before: The players in question were caught and served their punishment. So in that sense the story is over. There is no evidence that they are using anymore. So how are they cheating now? Besides, the whole "cheating" statement is a little ridiculous. If you want to just go by internet opinion, then I can quote former players who state that about 80% of the current players are currently "cheating" due to their supplement usage, it is just that the league does not catch them.

But let's not bog your little mind down with anything as concrete as facts or proof. You can just wallow away in your biased, ignorant opinion. None if it will matter in a few weeks when the 9ers come back to Seattle and get kicked around again. You can cry about what mean "cheaters" the Seahawks all are and beg for an asterix to be placed next to the win column!

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

Hey, at least I am open to the possibilities that they may or may not be using this or that. You have tried and convicted everyone based on nothing but speculation. It is a rather sad chain of (lack of) evidence.

There are many massage board posts and a few articles that mention adderall as a masking agent but the FACTS remain that there is NO PROOF to validate this and the science does not support it. I have found valid scientific proof from professional medical sources that state that there is no evidence that it works as a masking agent. The USDFA and the EMA both have no studies that support these findings, but you would rather side with some guy on a message board that has no credibility. I suppose you believe in Bigfoot and the Lochness Monster also because someone, somewhere has written on a message board that they are real??

As far as "cheaters" go, as I stated before: The players in question were caught and served their punishment. So in that sense the story is over. There is no evidence that they are using anymore. So how are they cheating now? Besides, the whole "cheating" statement is a little ridiculous. If you want to just go by internet opinion, then I can quote former players who state that about 80% of the current players are currently "cheating" due to their supplement usage, it is just that the league does not catch them.

But let's not bog your little mind down with anything as concrete as facts or proof. You can just wallow away in your biased, ignorant opinion. None if it will matter in a few weeks when the 9ers come back to Seattle and get kicked around again. You can cry about what mean "cheaters" the Seahawks all are and beg for an asterix to be placed next to the win column!

Really? You don't seem open at all to the possibility that they were taking anything other than adderall, which according to you is nothing more than a couple redbulls. In your mind, what they did was not wrong, although they all got suspended. That's exactly why a player comes out and says "I was taking adderall." So guys like you will defend them till your blue in the face. So masking agent was a bad choice of terminology on my part. You are right, I have no proof that they were taking anything else. Nobody but them and the NFL does. Still leaves a lot of doubt in my mind, and many, many others minds as to whether Adderall was actually the banned substance they were using. Are they cheating now? Doubtful. Are they still cheaters? Yes. Do you consider Michael Vick a dog murderer?? Even though he isn't murdering dogs at this particular moment and likely won't in the future?

What Seattle's players did in the past doesn't matter much to me either. I could honestly care less. Several players on my favorite teams have cheated and done bad things before, so I'm not going to pretend like they are above reproach as Harbs would say. I don't know why you guys can't deal with the fact Seattle has several cheaters on their team. That stigma isn't going to go away anytime soon. Deflect all you want about Harbaugh and his many faults, it still won't change it.

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

I curious to know what SF fans think about Barry Bonds.

One of the greatest players to ever play

Did he ever test positive for a banned substance by the MLB? Besides, much like Richard Sherman, Bonds never actually knew he was using PED's

 

[jakedog56]

Really? You don't seem open at all to the possibility that they were taking anything other than adderall, which according to you is nothing more than a couple redbulls. In your mind, what they did was not wrong, although they all got suspended. That's exactly why a player comes out and says "I was taking adderall." So guys like you will defend them till your blue in the face. So masking agent was a bad choice of terminology on my part. You are right, I have no proof that they were taking anything else. Nobody but them and the NFL does. Still leaves a lot of doubt in my mind, and many, many others minds as to whether Adderall was actually the banned substance they were using. Are they cheating now? Doubtful. Are they still cheaters? Yes. Do you consider Michael Vick a dog murderer?? Even though he isn't murdering dogs at this particular moment and likely won't in the future?

What Seattle's players did in the past doesn't matter much to me either. I could honestly care less. Several players on my favorite teams have cheated and done bad things before, so I'm not going to pretend like they are above reproach as Harbs would say. I don't know why you guys can't deal with the fact Seattle has several cheaters on their team. That stigma isn't going to go away anytime soon. Deflect all you want about Harbaugh and his many faults, it still won't change it.

I'm the one that is deflecting?!?

Your complete and utter failure to address any of the factual points that I am bringing up is rather sad. You keep twisting but refuse to acknowledge that there is no proof that adderall is a masking agent whatsoever. Just some rumors on message boards.

You seem overly obsessed with past transgressions. The players in question are not currently "cheaters" (lame term to be used in the first place) as they served their punishment and are being closely monitored by the league. Vick did his time and lost over 100 million in wages and endorsements. Try moving on already.

The "stigma", as you put it, is already gone in my mind. I only bring up Harbaugh's past because you keep on bringing up the past. Quite frankly I could care less and am more focused on the whipping that the 9ers are going to be taking in week 2! It is going to be very satisfying to watch the 9ers trolls turn tail and whimper.

Lastly, I want to say that I played a lot of sports at a fairly high amateur level for some years and I never bother to worry about what guy was taking what when I was out on the court or the field. It really made no friggin difference. The opponents were still out there and we still had to go take them on head to head regardless of whether they were coked or roided up or whatever. All of this whining about it and focus on it is pathetic. A bunch of stupid idiots who should be more focused on what happens on the field instead of crying about the past issues off of the field.

 

[WizardHawk]

Yup, pretty defensive of you. Pretty sure the only ones that see it that way are SEA fans grasping at whatever weakens the blow of SIX players testing positive. I'm also using short sentences so you can comprehend and follow along. A guy that never made it onto our roster is your "proof". Weak. Nice try, but weak. The ONE case of PED use while a member of the Niners was Larry Grant and he was not offered a contract at season's end although we could use a solid backup ILB.

I'm rather amused at how desperately you are trying to save face on this. There is no blow to how many seattle team members have tested positive because the team didn't put them up to it and none have repeated. Add that no one on this team has suggested the team is above reproach and tried to compare themselves to other legendary coaches.

I asked you already and you of course can't answer this, but is it worse to have people still on your roster who were already under contract who have taken PED's, or bring a guy in from another team knowing he has already been dirty AND just got popped for a DUI that very week? It's ok. I wouldn't answer that question either if I was you because it will just make you look even more like a blind homer.

As for how non Seattle people see your coach? Are you really going to suggest we are on an island?

Hate to burst your bubble, but the entire nation thinks Harblah is a total douche bag and this didn't do anything to help it. Go ahead and prove me wrong. Find me an article from someone not in the SF region who thinks he is a great upstanding citizen. Find me those praises of what a classy and honest guy he is.

Man some of you are totally blind.

 

[WizardHawk]

What Seattle's players did in the past doesn't matter much to me either. I could honestly care less. Several players on my favorite teams have cheated and done bad things before, so I'm not going to pretend like they are above reproach as Harbs would say. I don't know why you guys can't deal with the fact Seattle has several cheaters on their team. That stigma isn't going to go away anytime soon. Deflect all you want about Harbaugh and his many faults, it still won't change it.

But that is the point. Seattle has some players who were found to be doing something that was banned and no one I know has defended them on that. It is the SF fans who can't deal with the reality that their coach came out and said he wanted his team to be above reproach and then a week later their front office brings in a guy who fails a PED test the prior year and got popped for a DUI the week before the trade. That some of your people can't find the irony and hypocrisy in that is amusing and not at all surprising.

Carry on the good fight. It provides some entertainment until the season gets underway.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

One of the greatest players to ever play

Did he ever test positive for a banned substance by the MLB? Besides, much like Richard Sherman, Bonds never actually knew he was using PED's

That's a fair answer.

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

I'm the one that is deflecting?!?

Your complete and utter failure to address any of the factual points that I am bringing up is rather sad. You keep twisting but refuse to acknowledge that there is no proof that adderall is a masking agent whatsoever. Just some rumors on message boards.

You seem overly obsessed with past transgressions. The players in question are not currently "cheaters" (lame term to be used in the first place) as they served their punishment and are being closely monitored by the league. Vick did his time and lost over 100 million in wages and endorsements. Try moving on already.

The "stigma", as you put it, is already gone in my mind. I only bring up Harbaugh's past because you keep on bringing up the past. Quite frankly I could care less and am more focused on the whipping that the 9ers are going to be taking in week 2! It is going to be very satisfying to watch the 9ers trolls turn tail and whimper.

Lastly, I want to say that I played a lot of sports at a fairly high amateur level for some years and I never bother to worry about what guy was taking what when I was out on the court or the field. It really made no friggin difference. The opponents were still out there and we still had to go take them on head to head regardless of whether they were coked or roided up or whatever. All of this whining about it and focus on it is pathetic. A bunch of stupid idiots who should be more focused on what happens on the field instead of crying about the past issues off of the field.

Lol...I just said that the term "masking agent" was a poor choice of words on my part. I don't think it is a masking agent. I couldn't care less if it is or isn't. Not sure why you are so hung up on that. I'm saying they were likely using something other than adderall and simply saying it was adderall. If you're willing to just take the drug using losers (as one of your fellow hawks fan put it) words for it, great. More power too you.

How exactly is the word cheater a lame term? What else would you care to call them? If the rules state you can't take PED's, and you take PED's, then you broke the rules. If you break the rules of a game, you are cheater. Here is a dictionary link for you jakey pooh.

cheater - definition of cheater by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Feel free to blame the people who came up with the definitions.

Obviously you are over the cheating stigma because you won't even admit that your players cheated. And reread the thread jake, you brought up Harbaugh's past. The only thing that I brought up is that your players were likely suspended for something more than the equivalent of a "couple Red Bulls" as you put it.

As far as focusing on the field instead of this, wtf does that have to do with me or you? Neither of us are suiting up on Sunday's, I'm pretty sure it's still the offseason, and this is the smack talk thread right??

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

But that is the point. Seattle has some players who were found to be doing something that was banned and no one I know has defended them on that. It is the SF fans who can't deal with the reality that their coach came out and said he wanted his team to be above reproach and then a week later their front office brings in a guy who fails a PED test the prior year and got popped for a DUI the week before the trade. That some of your people can't find the irony and hypocrisy in that is amusing and not at all surprising.

Carry on the good fight. It provides some entertainment until the season gets underway.

I honestly don't care if Harbaugh is a hypocrite or not. I already addressed that in another thread over here. I certainly don't think Harbaugh is above reproach, regardless of how feels about himself. He has a shitload of assclown tendencies, but you want to know the truth? I don't give a crap. I grew up obsessed with Husker football and 49ers football. Guys like Tom Osborne and Bill Walsh always seemed to do things the right way. I was pretty spoiled by success and integrity. Unfortunetly, I haven't had much of either lately (Bill Callahan, anyone?). I'd much rather have a coach that is disliked but wins games like Harbaugh does then a guy like Mike Nolan, who is an extremely classy, well liked coach. Harbs may be an arrogant dick, but as long as he's doing things the right way and winning games, what do I have to complain about?

 

[WizardHawk]

I honestly don't care if Harbaugh is a hypocrite or not. I already addressed that in another thread over here. I certainly don't think Harbaugh is above reproach, regardless of how feels about himself. He has a shitload of assclown tendencies, but you want to know the truth? I don't give a crap. I grew up obsessed with Husker football and 49ers football. Guys like Tom Osborne and Bill Walsh always seemed to do things the right way. I was pretty spoiled by success and integrity. Unfortunetly, I haven't had much of either lately (Bill Callahan, anyone?). I'd much rather have a coach that is disliked but wins games like Harbaugh does then a guy like Mike Nolan, who is an extremely classy, well liked coach. Harbs may be an arrogant dick, but as long as he's doing things the right way and winning games, what do I have to complain about?

I have nothing to refute in your statement. All fair points and if most of your fellow 9'r heads felt the same there wouldn't be an argument. All I can say is this is the smack talk thread and saying your coach is a douche, but one who is winning so why care isn't really talking smack.

I don't think most hawk fans really like Carroll, but we sure do like how the team has turned around so why should anyone care about the PED's or anything else? We are all in the same boat on that. As a die hard Husky fan no one wanted to see Carroll come from USC to coach our team. Now that he has turned this program around no one would change a thing.

 

[RegentDenali]

San Francisco 49ers cornerback Chris Culliver suffered a torn ACL in his left knee Thursday, NFL.com's Ian R. Rapoport reported. The injury likely will end his 2013 NFL season.

A source told Rapoport that an MRI exam revealed the injury. The 49ers have not commented publicly about Culliver's condition.

Culliver was hurt during a special teams drill Thursday.

All-Pro linebacker Patrick Willis was wearing a black cast around the base of his right hand and wrist and was among more than a dozen players not participating in practice Thursday. It's being reported he's broken his hand.

Top wide receiver Michael Crabtree is rehabbing his surgically repaired right Achilles' tendon and is expected to miss at least half the season — and likely more. Mario Manningham is coming off an ACL tear in his knee and is expected to be back "at some point" this season, Harbaugh has said.

Fellow wideouts Kyle Williams, A.J. Jenkins and Kassim Osgood each came off the field Tuesday with apparent leg issues and have sat out the past two days. And Quinton Patton can't catch passes due to a soft cast on his injured middle finger on his left hand. He has been running routes in a blue jersey.

Culliver had 47 tackles, two interceptions and one forced fumble last season while playing primarily as the team's third cornerback.

 

[RegentDenali]

LOL at Sando today saying the 49ers are going to be monitoring the Seahawks waiver wire down to the second we make the 53 roster move to land one or more of the CBs we don't keep. Yep. It's already getting desperate in the city of fruits and nuts.

 

[dredinis21]

I'm rather amused at how desperately you are trying to save face on this. There is no blow to how many seattle team members have tested positive because the team didn't put them up to it and none have repeated. Add that no one on this team has suggested the team is above reproach and tried to compare themselves to other legendary coaches.

I asked you already and you of course can't answer this, but is it worse to have people still on your roster who were already under contract who have taken PED's, or bring a guy in from another team knowing he has already been dirty AND just got popped for a DUI that very week? It's ok. I wouldn't answer that question either if I was you because it will just make you look even more like a blind homer.

As for how non Seattle people see your coach? Are you really going to suggest we are on an island?

Hate to burst your bubble, but the entire nation thinks Harblah is a total douche bag and this didn't do anything to help it. Go ahead and prove me wrong. Find me an article from someone not in the SF region who thinks he is a great upstanding citizen. Find me those praises of what a classy and honest guy he is.

Man some of you are totally blind.

Wow, you are fresh. So your new question is whether having PEOPLE still on your roster who have tested positive for PEDs vs. a PERSON who tested positive? I'd say it's better to have one then more then one. If you are talking about the actual acts themselves, I would say the guys that did the PEDs while still with that team is worse because it shows organizational indifference. Blind homerism? Probably not. I don't think that Buffalo was somehow scum of the earth because they took a flyer on Merriman to see if he could play without roids. Apparently, based on your reaction to Wright not even making our roster, you must think that BUF is a shady organization I have already stated my Melky argument in terms of dealing with those that cheat, you can continue to make it seem as if I haven't already answered this.

Lastly, please show me where I claimed Harbaugh to be a choir boy. He is an arrogant prick who wins ballgames. I don't give a fack what he says as long as he is winning on Sundays. So far so good. So stop with this crap of how I hold him above reproach. Just because I decided to dissect your blind hate for the guy doesn't all of the sudden make me believe he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize. Still reaching I see...