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[SoCalWizFan]

Fair warning moment!!!!!! What this team does with Griffin will shock most of you!!!

You base this on what exactly? No offense but probably this is 100% conjecture. As long as you are going to throw this teaser out there - don't stop - tell us what you believe will happen with RG3. BTW - good to have you back here.

 

[Stymietee]

You base this on what exactly? No offense but probably this is 100% conjecture. As long as you are going to throw this teaser out there - don't stop - tell us what you believe will happen with RG3. BTW - good to have you back here.

Good to be back.......Now, is it nearly the consensus here that this team cannot rid itself of Griffin fast enough? Well, as explained previously most of that is based on very very confusing and conflicting takes on him by many here. To be clear:

He will never last running the read option (NFL version of the spread offense tailored for him in 2012) at the same time he's not prepared to operate in the pocket (JG's version of the conventional style) So when Griffin realized what everyone knew to be true and decided that he wanted a longer healthier career than the former (hybrid spread offense) would give him, he became a pariah here and in many other places.

He's only 25 years old and the best thing that has happened in his professional development was that 5th year option which caused the team not to risk injury and have him sit this year. Yes, yes and yes he's made some bone headed public statements, tweets and such. Means nothing to me, none of it, especially because most of it was done contextually within a dysfunctional organization. (Please take note of anything that he's done or said in the first organizational turnaround year)

No one has ever on a professional level called him learning disabled, in fact he has been called a very smart guy by numerous pro personnel. Logically, any athlete knowing that he has to transform has game in order to thrive, sets goals then works his ass off to achieve them. I believe that Griffin is that sort of guy......competition and insult are great motivators..... I believe that behind the scenes the powers that are havs had an eye on him since his demotion, hence my prediction that most here will be shocked to learn that this team won't be finished with him after this year.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Good to be back.......Now, is it nearly the consensus here that this team cannot rid itself of Griffin fast enough? Well, as explained previously most of that is based on very very confusing and conflicting takes on him by many here. To be clear:

He will never last running the read option (NFL version of the spread offense tailored for him in 2012) at the same time he's not prepared to operate in the pocket (JG's version of the conventional style) So when Griffin realized what everyone knew to be true and decided that he wanted a longer healthier career than the former (hybrid spread offense) would give him, he became a pariah here and in many other places.

He's only 25 years old and the best thing that has happened in his professional development was that 5th year option which caused the team not to risk injury and have him sit this year. Yes, yes and yes he's made some bone headed public statements, tweets and such. Means nothing to me, none of it, especially because most of it was done contextually within a dysfunctional organization. (Please take note of anything that he's done or said in the first organizational turnaround year)

No one has ever on a professional level called him learning disabled, in fact he has been called a very smart guy by numerous pro personnel. Logically, any athlete knowing that he has to transform has game in order to thrive, sets goals then works his ass off to achieve them. I believe that Griffin is that sort of guy......competition and insult are great motivators..... I believe that behind the scenes the powers that are havs had an eye on him since his demotion, hence my prediction that most here will be shocked to learn that this team won't be finished with him after this year.

See my reply in the other related thread. Nobody is saying that RG3 is finished - just that he is almost certainly finished with the Redskins. This isn't simply about RG3 not having the potential to QB this or any team. There are extremely complicating factors here - a $16M contract, another QB who may never give up the job & opportunities for RG3 to thrive elsewhere. All combined this provides little motivation for both the Redskins and RG3 to be on the roster next season & both of them need to agree for him to remain in DC (unless the Skins keep an unhappy RG3 in DC w/ that big contract which would be insane).

 

[Stymietee]

See my reply in the other related thread. Nobody is saying that RG3 is finished - just that he is almost certainly finished with the Redskins. This isn't simply about RG3 not having the potential to QB this or any team. There are extremely complicating factors here - a $16M contract, another QB who may never give up the job & opportunities for RG3 to thrive elsewhere. All combined this provides little motivation for both the Redskins and RG3 to be on the roster next season & both of them need to agree for him to remain in DC (unless the Skins keep an unhappy RG3 in DC w/ that big contract which would be insane).

Strange how no one wants to entertain the idea that contracts can be redone or that the other QB can be beaten out for the job, (you got me with the opportunities for RGIII to thrive elsewhere bit) Ya gotta admit that these first two thing are true there won't be an unhappy RGIII here and not as insane as it would seem at first blush.

 

[Sportster 72]

Don't know where Griffin will be. Matter of fact it could make for a very interesting off season with three FA QBs.

 

[gkekoa]

There is no way RG3 is resigned. He would be a fool to come back here and we would be foolish to resign him.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

The team is moving forward with Cousins, everyone is aware of this. Griffin has played the good soldier since his demotiin but you just know he's pissed off and ready to prove the Redskins wrong somewhere else. Not a chance in Hell he renegotiates with the team that told the world he sucks just to sit behind the guy who took his job.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Great read on the influence of Scot McLovin'

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Strange how no one wants to entertain the idea that contracts can be redone or that the other QB can be beaten out for the job, (you got me with the opportunities for RGIII to thrive elsewhere bit) Ya gotta admit that these first two thing are true there won't be an unhappy RGIII here and not as insane as it would seem at first blush.

I addressed the idea about renegotiating the contract. Again - where is the motivation for the Skins & especially for RG3? Lets say that the Skins do OK for the remainder of the season (at least 7-9). Barring injury Cousins will certainly be the QB entering next season with a new contract. Please tell exactly why RG3 would then agree to a restructured contract for less money knowing that the odds are that he will sit on the bench for most/all of the season.

Forget the Skins - this scenario makes absolutely no sense for RG3.

 

[Stymietee]

I addressed the idea about renegotiating the contract. Again - where is the motivation for the Skins & especially for RG3? Lets say that the Skins do OK for the remainder of the season (at least 7-9). Barring injury Cousins will certainly be the QB entering next season with a new contract. Please tell exactly why RG3 would then agree to a restructured contract for less money knowing that the odds are that he will sit on the bench for most/all of the season.

Forget the Skins - this scenario makes absolutely no sense for RG3.

Before we go into this any further, let me ask two questions. Let's say that KC continues on his current path or truly steps up his game for the rest of the year (please use both when answering)
1. What would the maximum amount you would want the team to pay him in a new contract?
2. Would you prefer to FT him at 19+ million for next season?
Yeah, yeah, I know you have nothing to do with contract negotiations for this team, you did ask a question and I'm gonna close that escape door that no doubt someone will chime in and use.

 

[Sportster 72]

Before we go into this any further, let me ask two questions. Let's say that KC continues on his current path or truly steps up his game for the rest of the year (please use both when answering)
1. What would the maximum amount you would want the team to pay him in a new contract?
2. Would you prefer to FT him at 19+ million for next season?
Yeah, yeah, I know you have nothing to do with contract negotiations for this team, you did ask a question and I'm gonna close that escape door that no doubt someone will chime in and use.

The starting point is $16 million. That is what they are willing to give Griffin. So either option is there. You can pay more for one more year to see if you want to keep him after that. If he does well the amount will go up again. I thought the franchise tag was more like $25 million though.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Before we go into this any further, let me ask two questions. Let's say that KC continues on his current path or truly steps up his game for the rest of the year (please use both when answering)
1. What would the maximum amount you would want the team to pay him in a new contract?
2. Would you prefer to FT him at 19+ million for next season?
Yeah, yeah, I know you have nothing to do with contract negotiations for this team, you did ask a question and I'm gonna close that escape door that no doubt someone will chime in and use.

I have answered this in other threads. Those with close ties to Redskins Park believe that Cousins will be somewhere in the $12-14 M/ year range with perhaps some incentive clauses. I don't think that it will reach the franchise tag phase but if so it wouldn't bother me.

Honestly - I don't think it matters. I believe at this pt it is a given that a. Gruden will be the coach next season & b. Cousins will be the starting QB with a new contract. Both of those will mean that RG3 will not be the starter for all of 2016 barring injury or a complete collapse by the team. Again - why would RG3 agree to return for less money under those conditions?

 

[Stymietee]

The starting point is $16 million. That is what they are willing to give Griffin. So either option is there. You can pay more for one more year to see if you want to keep him after that. If he does well the amount will go up again. I thought the franchise tag was more like $25 million though.

Estimated franchise tag figures

 

[Stymietee]

I have answered this in other threads. Those with close ties to Redskins Park believe that Cousins will be somewhere in the $12-14 M/ year range with perhaps some incentive clauses. I don't think that it will reach the franchise tag phase but if so it wouldn't bother me.

Honestly - I don't think it matters. I believe at this pt it is a given that a. Gruden will be the coach next season & b. Cousins will be the starting QB with a new contract. Both of those will mean that RG3 will not be the starter for all of 2016 barring injury or a complete collapse by the team. Again - why would RG3 agree to return for less money under those conditions?

There was absolutely no reason why this team and organization did not release Griffin in September based on the vitriolic onslaught that accompanied his demotion. However if anyone wondered why that did not happen
Here are a few possible reasons
1.He believes himself to be a better QB than KC as do others ( including his QB & HC)
2.He has been told then shown what the weaknesses are in his game and he's worked on them.
3. There are others in the organization that still believe him to still be the face of the franchise.
4. He now knows JG's playbook forward and backward.
5. KC may very well price himself into FA.
6. KC has peaked.
7. Everyone loves a comeback story.

 

[Sportster 72]

I'll take one from column A and two from Column C Sty. Many of us here hope that we are operating under a new (for a lack of a better word) system. Still I put nothing past the owner and have therefore strapped a pillow to my butt because god only knows what will happen.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

There was absolutely no reason why this team and organization did not release Griffin in September based on the vitriolic onslaught that accompanied his demotion. However if anyone wondered why that did not happen
Here are a few possible reasons
1.He believes himself to be a better QB than KC as do others ( including his QB & HC)
2.He has been told then shown what the weaknesses are in his game and he's worked on them.
3. There are others in the organization that still believe him to still be the face of the franchise.
4. He now knows JG's playbook forward and backward.
5. KC may very well price himself into FA.
6. KC has peaked.
7. Everyone loves a comeback story.

A lot things that you mention may very well have been true entering this season. However - a lot has changed since that time. Where in the world do you get # 6 from? I am guessing that most Redskins fans would agree with me that # 3 and # 7 are meaningless at this pt. We have had our fair share of drama - all everyone wants now is a winning team.

As for # 1 I truly believe that only RG3 now believes he is better than Cousins - certainly Gruden doesn't believe this rt now. As for # 2 - who cares - let him work those out elsewhere. As for #5 - Cousins will re-sign here - book it.

I really have to ask you - are you more of a Redskins fan or an RG3 fan?

 

[Breed]

There is no way RG3 is resigned. He would be a fool to come back here and we would be foolish to resign him.

Agreed on all counts all the way round. Time to truly and finally move on from that saga all parties. The Skins, Griffin, and Skins fans.

 

[skinsdad62]

i see a scenario that could very well make stymie right about RG3 so i wont rule out what he says

in my scenario the skins negotiate with KC and cant come to an agreement much like what happened to RAK . they franchise him but unlike Rak KC doesnt sign the tender

this makes the skins hold onto Rg3 at 16 mil which is only guaranteed if he is injured they go through mini camp and preseason and discover that this year of sitting that Rg3 has greatly improved in his qb skill set thus making KC expendable as they rescind making Rg3 the starter in 16

KC is on an audition this year while robert is going through qb 101 on the bench

now please call 911 for shark because i believe his textual heart has stopped and he may become a live shooter at the university of miami

i posted this in another thread and thought it was appropriate here

 

[Stymietee]

A lot things that you mention may very well have been true entering this season. However - a lot has changed since that time. Where in the world do you get # 6 from? I am guessing that most Redskins fans would agree with me that # 3 and # 7 are meaningless at this pt. We have had our fair share of drama - all everyone wants now is a winning team.

As for # 1 I truly believe that only RG3 now believes he is better than Cousins - certainly Gruden doesn't believe this rt now. As for # 2 - who cares - let him work those out elsewhere. As for #5 - Cousins will re-sign here - book it.

I really have to ask you - are you more of a Redskins fan or an RG3 fan?

All of them were listed under "possible reasons" I'll let your rationale stand for itself with regards to everything else that you've written about those possibilities.

Some people will choose to see things in an either/or perspective only, I do not, instead preferring to also consider other possibilities! That said let me answer your last question in this fashion. Being a fan right now of this team and RGIII is the same thing to me. Unlike too many here I have no emotional ties to anyone on this team. I call the shots as I believe them to be most beneficial to the success of this organization and team come hell or high water from others here.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

All of them were listed under "possible reasons" I'll let your rationale stand for itself with regards to everything else that you've written about those possibilities.

Some people will choose to see things in an either/or perspective only, I do not, instead preferring to also consider other possibilities! That said let me answer your last question in this fashion. Being a fan right now of this team and RGIII is the same thing to me. Unlike too many here I have no emotional ties to anyone on this team. I call the shots as I believe them to be most beneficial to the success of this organization and team come hell or high water from others here.

OK but I see it differently. Being a fan of RG3 would mean that you still actively cheer for him if/when he goes to another team. Certainly I root for anyone who plays for the Skins while they are on the team. However - once they go elsewhere I wish them the best but otherwise could care less. I really won't care much about RG3 if he goes to another team assuming that team is not a rival.