SM and his choices to come

[Darrell Green Fan]

No more nuts than using Reed Doughty for years, bringing back Ryan Clark, drafting Laron Landry at 6 4 years after drafting ST at 5, etc etc etc. And if yiu don't think Hall can be a better cover safety than the every player mentioned sans ST. I don't know what to tell you. As for ball-hawking = to getting burned. Sure, but we've had plenty non-ball-hawking, no chance taking players manning the spot for years who've been torched like they were hit with napalm for years.

Its the same principle as moving DY to TE where he'd instantly become our best blocking TE. It wasn't too long ago when Hall was our best cover CB. Those cover skills, like DY's blocking skills will come along with the player at their new position. You call it a risk and there is some inherently, such as as Hall gets older, he's not gonna get any healthier. I look at it though as shrewd thinking and creatively addressing an issue that as of this moment. Has yet to be adequately addressed in all the conventional ways.

I never liked this reasoning. So because he may be better than Reed Doughty and Ryan Clark that's a good enough reason to do it? Call me crazy but there is another option: go find a good free safety that is not 32, injury prone, and has actually played the position.

 

[Breed]

I liked Reed as well. He was a gamer for sure. He shouldn't of been a starting DB though. At least not for as many years as he was. He started more than half the games he played in for 7 years in a row.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I loved Doughty because he got more than his talent would suggest. A guy I work with knows Snyder, or at least has had dinner with him at the table, and pretends to be in the know. He said Reed Doughty in person is really really small, like accountant small.

 

[Sportster 72]

I would imagine you have seen Darrell Green in person. Now he is small but he ran 4.2. DJax is a little dude too.

Too often Reed was put in position at FS which he was too slow for. But as both of you said he was a guy you knew you were going to get everything he had. To have had as long a career as he had with his physical abilities was tremendous. There are guys with a lot more skill that don't last that long. We had too few players during his career that played as hard as he did. Star? No .... Football player? Absolutely.

 

[Breed]

I never liked this reasoning. So because he may be better than Reed Doughty and Ryan Clark that's a good enough reason to do it? Call me crazy but there is another option: go find a good free safety that is not 32, injury prone, and has actually played the position.

Actually, the reason to do it would be using resources that are already available to the team. Thereby allowing the Skins to fill a position, adequately fill said position hopefully. Thus allowing the Skins to use the move that would've been used to acquire a safety on another position.

 

[skinsdad62]

reed doughty was a 6th round pick who stuck for about 8 years playing above his talent level being asked to do things his skill set just didnt sync with

for a 6th rounder we got our money's worth out of him and if only most of our 6th rounder produced like him

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Very true on Reed. But back to Hall free safety again this is a huge need, in my opinion one of our largest needs. To me it's nuts to try to fill it with a guy who can't stay healthy, will be a year older so that may not change, and we don't even know jf he could do it. That's not filling a need, that's another Band Aid and I'm done with Band Aids.

 

[j_y19]

Very true on Reed. But back to Hall free safety again this is a huge need, in my opinion one of our largest needs. To me it's nuts to try to fill it with a guy who can't stay healthy, will be a year older so that may not change, and we don't even know jf he could do it. That's not filling a need, that's another Band Aid and I'm done with Band Aids.

We just need to see how hall does the rest of this season playing back there. There is no reason why we can't use hall and still draft the future at FS. I'm not convinced that hall is the right fit at FS. While he did have ball hawking skills, we haven't seen those in a while. DHall was a good CB that took a bunch of chances in jumping routes. He also got beat regularly by doing this. At FS, he can't take those chances as he is the last line of defense. I'm sure he knows this, so let's just give him another 5 games to see how he does.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yeah I guess it depends on what Breed is suggesting. If it's for this year then Hell yeah. But for next year and beyond, not for me. I want to fill this need once and for all for a few years and not with a guy who is old, hurt a lot, can't really tackle very well and is unproven.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

reed doughty was a 6th round pick who stuck for about 8 years playing above his talent level being asked to do things his skill set just didnt sync with

for a 6th rounder we got our money's worth out of him and if only most of our 6th rounder produced like him

Only real long term player from that woeful 2006 draft (1st rounder was traded as part of JC deal). Never great but solid and always good on special teams.

 

[Breed]

Yeah I guess it depends on what Breed is suggesting. If it's for this year then Hell yeah. But for next year and beyond, not for me. I want to fill this need once and for all for a few years and not with a guy who is old, hurt a lot, can't really tackle very well and is unproven.

Oh, yeah, everything is continent on the remainder of the season. I've read that Gruden is on-board or at least open to the idea with the move and so is DHall. And if it doesn't work so be it, but if it does work. I hope they roll with it next year or there's no point to trying it at all. I can't really put a time frame on it, but I think Hall has some more football in him. And while every issue you bring up in your last sentence has some validity to it. As Hall has been hurt the last 2 seasons, but it seems you're putting too much on it. Same goes for your take about his tackling. I thought it was an issue when he was in the ATL, Oaktown and with the Skins initially. The last few years though he's been much more willing to mix it up. Including as a lone tackler coming up in run support and in gang tackling.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

In all honesty I'm ready to turn the page on D Hall when the year is over.

 

[Sportster 72]

Charles Woodson did it, maybe DHall can too.

 

[j_y19]

Charles Woodson did it, maybe DHall can too.

It's definitely worth finding out.

 

[skinsdad62]

Charles Woodson did it, maybe DHall can too.

It's definitely worth finding out.

in any case its a stop gap move and perhaps we may have to do that so why not keep that in your hip pocket

 

[Breed]

So did Rod Woodson, Deion, and Ronnie Lott.

Now I'm in no way saying DHall will have or enjoy the success at safety that any of the aforementioned players in this post or in Sportster's post did. But if the Skins can get a couple seasons or even a season of adequate safety play from DHall.

That could help a current or soon to be young safety on the Skins who isn't quite ready. Continue to learn, mature, whatever, and be ready the following year. Or instead of having to use a 2nd rd pk on a polished safety who's chances of being available in the 3rd rd or later slim to none in the upcoming draft. They can draft a legitimate DL or OL,or ILB with that 2nd rd pk. Then draft a rawer, but very likely just as talented safety as the safety in the 2nd rd, but with a 4th rd pick.

Just spit-balling here and typing words into a box to put on a larger box for other people with boxes, some large, some small, to see and read and respond in kind if they so choose.

 

[Stymietee]

I Do Not Envy Scot McCloughan

this guy here make a few valid points

here is what i would do .

first despite our record or future record assume we are still in a rebuild . we may have "arrived early " or we end up with 6 to 7 wins but dont fall for fools gold .

this team lacks difference makers and we have holes

cenetr is a hole most forget about but stiger is 30 and he wasnt that good of an anchor can long move over and do the job ? is williams kujo long scherf and moses the future ?

at wr what do we do ? jackson just turned 29 today and garcon has a huge contract . what do we do ?

what about morris at RB ?. he might not get the contract he could have

do we pay goldston 10 mil next year ? do we keep pot roast ? robby ? riley ?

with this many questions i say we need to be careful and not think we are better then we are because our record says we are one thing when in reality we arent

i say continue to build this team and look at age and production when choosing who to keep and who to let go

First it is fools gold to believe that a 5-7 win season is something special. There are only two reasons to buy the hype.
1. Putrid being the standard prior to that 5-7 win season ( which we were) still fools gold.
2. What we're looking at is becoming the new normal (parity NFL style)

I've been calling for difference makers for a few years now and have often asked the question, who do we have that the opposition must game plan for? So far the answer seems to be "one big play per game, Jackson"

At center the team will probably select another in the draft. That said I have not given up on the massive Austin Reiter who currently is learning his craft on our PS.

At WR, considering the latest PS signees there is little doubt that the team is looking to get bigger faster and stronger and likely will address that in the draft. The question is what to do with PG or DJ. D. Jax will stay and cutting PG is.....well to be kind foolish. As we speak our GM should be on the phone talking to teams in need of a good wideout capable of making a SB push now or next year. Specifically the N.E. Patriots (there are a couple of others) but I would be offering PG to them or one of the others in exchange for draft a draft pick.

I honestly don't think that Morris wants to stay here, the team is clearly going in a different direction, think bigger, quicker, and Ammo no longer fits. Since the window for trading him closed prior to this season count him among those who won't make the squad next year.

 

[Stymietee]

BTW: KC will get a new cap friendly contract, possibly the FT. I don't believe that McCoy returns and the team depending on whether or not they go with 3 there, will draft a youngster to groom. Fair warning moment!!!!!! What this team does with Griffin will shock most of you!!!

Moving Hall from corner to safety comes a year too late, injuries to aging veterans usually signal their demise. Veteran leadership aside that transition becomes less likely because of FA and another draft.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Ronnie Lott
Rod Woodson
Deion Sanders
DeAngalo Hall

Hmmm? Now which name stands out as different than the others on this list?

I'm just joking of course, it's worth a look for this season for sure. If Goldson can play SS and Hall can do well at FS that would be an upgrade over what we've had this year, OK FS play and poor SS play. We are in a olayoff run, if we can upgrade Hell yeah let's do it.

Breed makes a good point about reaching in the draft to fill a need. But SM really doesn't have a history of that. I tell you what, Duke's play next year will be critical.

 

[Stymietee]

I never liked this reasoning. So because he may be better than Reed Doughty and Ryan Clark that's a good enough reason to do it? Call me crazy but there is another option: go find a good free safety that is not 32, injury prone, and has actually played the position.

See....see...now you've gone and done it dagnabit.....applied reason to this conversation.