SM and his choices to come

[skinsdad62]

I Do Not Envy Scot McCloughan

this guy here make a few valid points

here is what i would do .

first despite our record or future record assume we are still in a rebuild . we may have "arrived early " or we end up with 6 to 7 wins but dont fall for fools gold .

this team lacks difference makers and we have holes

cenetr is a hole most forget about but stiger is 30 and he wasnt that good of an anchor can long move over and do the job ? is williams kujo long scherf and moses the future ?

at wr what do we do ? jackson just turned 29 today and garcon has a huge contract . what do we do ?

what about morris at RB ?. he might not get the contract he could have

do we pay goldston 10 mil next year ? do we keep pot roast ? robby ? riley ?

with this many questions i say we need to be careful and not think we are better then we are because our record says we are one thing when in reality we arent

i say continue to build this team and look at age and production when choosing who to keep and who to let go

 

[gkekoa]

I Do Not Envy Scot McCloughan

this guy here make a few valid points

here is what i would do .

first despite our record or future record assume we are still in a rebuild . we may have "arrived early " or we end up with 6 to 7 wins but dont fall for fools gold .

this team lacks difference makers and we have holes

cenetr is a hole most forget about but stiger is 30 and he wasnt that good of an anchor can long move over and do the job ? is williams kujo long scherf and moses the future ?

at wr what do we do ? jackson just turned 29 today and garcon has a huge contract . what do we do ?

what about morris at RB ?. he might not get the contract he could have

do we pay goldston 10 mil next year ? do we keep pot roast ? robby ? riley ?

with this many questions i say we need to be careful and not think we are better then we are because our record says we are one thing when in reality we arent

i say continue to build this team and look at age and production when choosing who to keep and who to let go

I like our OL. I think we have quite a few guards that can slide over to play center. That being said, if a top notch, natural center is there...draft him.

WR is easy to me. You cut Garçon and keep DJ. DJ is a difference maker. Yes he has health concerns but it is the NFL...everybody has injury concerns.

AMMO...I would try to resign him but the contract will be perceived as a low ball by many of you. I would offer 3 mil per season.

I would pay Goldson next season on his contract and that is a cap hit of 8 mil. Offer Pork Chop another contract similar to the one he played on this season.

I keep both Robby and Riley but only if the price is right.

Our record says we are a below .500 ball club. Who cares if we are leading the division? We are not a winning football team yet. There are plenty of holes on this team but we are improving. No big offseason FAs and another good draft...we will be getting better.

 

[skinsdad62]

I like our OL. I think we have quite a few guards that can slide over to play center. That being said, if a top notch, natural center is there...draft him.

WR is easy to me. You cut Garçon and keep DJ. DJ is a difference maker. Yes he has health concerns but it is the NFL...everybody has injury concerns.

AMMO...I would try to resign him but the contract will be perceived as a low ball by many of you. I would offer 3 mil per season.

I would pay Goldson next season on his contract and that is a cap hit of 8 mil. Offer Pork Chop another contract similar to the one he played on this season.

I keep both Robby and Riley but only if the price is right.

Our record says we are a below .500 ball club. Who cares if we are leading the division? We are not a winning football team yet. There are plenty of holes on this team but we are improving. No big offseason FAs and another good draft...we will be getting better.

your price on ammo is right on target

 

[deanpet21]

Offense. Rg3 cut. Garcon, Roberts, Litch, Ribeye, Young, Paulsen, will all be cut. Morris is tricky. He is young and should command big dollars. He is the type of guy that would take a discount but im not sure if we spend the money to keep him. Obviously sign back KC. If he gets a huge contract that would mean he would have won the division for us. 12-15 mil per season would not be out of the question b/c of his age and we have no other option. KC has all the power in his contract talks and SM knows it. We should win the division this year at 10-6 or 9-7. That would mean our draft pick would be in the 20's. Too late for a top QB and their are no FA QB's to speak of. This is why KC has all the power.

Defense. Hatcher and Hall should be released. Riley is not a FA. Robinson should be brought back at the right price. Compton should be brought back at the right price. We should take another shot at Gallette. Pot Roast, only at the right price. Goldson is scheduled to make 7.5 mil next year. Yes it high but he is becoming one of the team leaders, so I say keep him. Blackmon is not going to cost a lot of money. He is a career journeyman.

The biggest off season needs would be DE, ILB, S, C, and WR. Supposedly we are supposed to have a lot of money in FA next year even after the KC contract. None of our current FA's are going to require huge money except for KC. IF the Bears don't franchise Jeffery, he should be our #1 target. Jackson, Jeffery, Crowder, and Reed would be the best skilled targets in the league on one team. Assuming Garcon is released.


Thoughts?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I see it pretty close to the way you see it Dean

 

[gkekoa]

Offense. Rg3 cut. Garcon, Roberts, Litch, Ribeye, Young, Paulsen, will all be cut. Morris is tricky. He is young and should command big dollars. He is the type of guy that would take a discount but im not sure if we spend the money to keep him. Obviously sign back KC. If he gets a huge contract that would mean he would have won the division for us. 12-15 mil per season would not be out of the question b/c of his age and we have no other option. KC has all the power in his contract talks and SM knows it. We should win the division this year at 10-6 or 9-7. That would mean our draft pick would be in the 20's. Too late for a top QB and their are no FA QB's to speak of. This is why KC has all the power.

Defense. Hatcher and Hall should be released. Riley is not a FA. Robinson should be brought back at the right price. Compton should be brought back at the right price. We should take another shot at Gallette. Pot Roast, only at the right price. Goldson is scheduled to make 7.5 mil next year. Yes it high but he is becoming one of the team leaders, so I say keep him. Blackmon is not going to cost a lot of money. He is a career journeyman.

The biggest off season needs would be DE, ILB, S, C, and WR. Supposedly we are supposed to have a lot of money in FA next year even after the KC contract. None of our current FA's are going to require huge money except for KC. IF the Bears don't franchise Jeffery, he should be our #1 target. Jackson, Jeffery, Crowder, and Reed would be the best skilled targets in the league on one team. Assuming Garcon is released.


Thoughts?

Why would you cut Lichtensteiger and Paulson?

What do you mean big dollars for AMMO?

I would bring Hatcher back. Yes he is making quite a bit but his dead space makes cutting him less likely. If you want to cut him, wait til the following season.

There is no way I would cut DHALL. He is cheap for a quality veteran cornerback.

Offer Gallette a very small one year contract. He won't command anything in the offseason with his injury and legal issues.

Pass on Jeffery. Too much money will be needed and we can improve elsewhere. It will cost around 14 mil/season to land Jeffery.

 

[Sportster 72]

I won't play GM as I am not smart enough to do that but that is what they brought him here for. I was just thinking I better not fall in love with any of these guys because if McCloughan does his job correctly somebody I like might not be here next year.

I always think back to Beathard and Gibbs. Bobby wanted to get rid of some players Joe loved. Joe won the war and Beathard moved on. Gibbs got one more championship out of those guys but the cupboard was bare when he left.

 

[Breed]

Cutting Paulsen (hold on about this for a minute) and Hall make no sense. I'd move DHall to free safety, he's down with that and so is Gruden. Unless he lost all his speed and skills, he'd almost certainly be the best cover safety and a legit ballhawk since ST.

I think DY is gonna get cut as well, but that's shortsighted imo. If Gruden wants to go with a TE heavy team, w0hy not move DY to TE? He'd automatically be the best blocking TE we have and he when given the chance, he make plays. The running game is more effective with him than any of the TEs on the team. I'd still keep LP though, but they'll probably keep Carrier's useless ass instead. Move DY to TE though.

Teach Reed how to fucking block, to stop extending his hands and grabbing guys on the outside at their shoulder pads. He's gotta get inside into their chest area. He leads the team in penalties, he's top 7 in the league in overall penalties, top 3 in holding penalties and the only offensive player with more PI calls than Reed is Gronk, and he's missed 2 complete games. That's just fuckin outright ridiculous.

Djax needs to be retained and become a more focal point of the offense as well. He can be, arguably is, the best deep threat in the game. As long as he doesn't get hard-harded. The dimension he brings to the offense is too valuable to waste over a who's got the bigger dick contest. If that means losing PG, then lose PG. If he won't re-do his deal, then lose PG.

From all I've read, the DL seems to be doing a pretty decent job. What I see though sometimes tells me another story entirely. i'll say I think the ILBs are pretty lackluster and wouldn't sweat losing either Riley or Robinson. I wouldn't lose any sleep if Robinson of Goldson walk as well. I thnk we have some talent with our Cbs though. I'd sign Galette to the same deal as this year and I'd do it sooner rather than later. I'd probably brng back Hatcher as well. I do believe a healthy Hall at FS and a hungry Galette rushing the passer would make a noticeable difference in the defense. That and display a little more aggression. We react too much on defense. I'd like to see us force some issues or try to anyway.

I'd see what Alf wants contract-wise. I wouldn't blame him if he wants to get paid, but if there's a guy who would take less and be cool with it. It seems like it would be Alf.

I go back and forth on this, but 12.5 million or 25 million/2 years all of it guaranteed seems like a reasonable for Cuz to me. Has he improved since playing Miami to open the year up? W/O question, but I wanna see more. Like some decent play on the road and a winning streak, a 4 or 5 game or so winning streak would be lovely to see. So would beating an above average team, but I'm not sure there's one of those left on the Skins schedule.

I'd also bring Jay Gruden back for another year, probably two...................

 

[Breed]

I won't play GM as I am not smart enough to do that but that is what they brought him here for. I was just thinking I better not fall in love with any of these guys because if McCloughan does his job correctly somebody I like might not be here next year.

I always think back to Beathard and Gibbs. Bobby wanted to get rid of some players Joe loved. Joe won the war and Beathard moved on. Gibbs got one more championship out of those guys but the cupboard was bare when he left.

Gibbs said........BB decided who would come to camp and he (JG) decided who would stay in camp after they got there and if they butted heads over someone. Jack Kent Cooke would break the stalemate.

When Gibbs came back. He wanted ALL the power. Who came, who went, and no need to break a tie. And the way he left the 2nd time pissed me off. Not only was the cupboards somewhat bare. He fostered kaos in how he left a well.

 

[Sportster 72]

I remember that quote about the Gibbs and BB relationship. It was still widely reported that Gibbs was winning the battle of players. Warren is one player I remember Bobby wanting to replace and Gibbs wanted no part of it. I see both sides. There were others, I just don't remember who. I was not complaining, just talking about the need for a GM to not show too much passion for players when you need to make personnel decisions that benefit the team.

 

[BeaReylo]

Gibbs said........BB decided who would come to camp and he (JG) decided who would stay in camp after they got there and if they butted heads over someone. Jack Kent Cooke would break the stalemate.

When Gibbs came back. He wanted ALL the power. Who came, who went, and no need to break a tie. And the way he left the 2nd time pissed me off. Not only was the cupboards somewhat bare. He fostered kaos in how he left a well.

Behlicheck is the only coach I can think of who is successful being, both, coach and GM. Every other coach who has tried has failed or was mediocre, at best. Just look at Shanahan after he won back to back Super Bowls and tried doing it.

 

[Breed]

I remember that quote about the Gibbs and BB relationship. It was still widely reported that Gibbs was winning the battle of players. Warren is one player I remember Bobby wanting to replace and Gibbs wanted no part of it. I see both sides. There were others, I just don't remember who. I was not complaining, just talking about the need for a GM to not show too much passion for players when you need to make personnel decisions that benefit the team.

GMing is a much different animal now than in the days of Gibbs 1, much more turnover, but yeah. Emotion can get a GM in trouble. But so can having absolutely no pulse for players and thinking they're all pretty much interchangeable as its all about the system. Chip Kelly being a prime example.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Not sure about the love for Hall. We don't even know if he can play safety, what we do know is he will continue to get injured as most old, fading players tend to do. Hatcher is a tougher call. He's had a few really good games and because of the cap hit I agree, one more year. Goldson? Meh. Being better than what we have had does not mean he's been good. I don't see Cousins only taking a 2 year deal, he will have better offers. Commit X million in guaranteed money, then structure it like the Niners deal with Kap where the total figure makes headlines but in reality the team has outs.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

GMing is a much different animal now than in the days of Gibbs 1, much more turnover, but yeah. Emotion can get a GM in trouble. But so can having absolutely no pulse for players and thinking they're all pretty much interchangeable as its all about the system. Chip Kelly being a prime example.

That sure is a problem for Kelly. However - IMO - the bigger issue was allowing Kelly to be both coach & GM or pseudo GM. With very few exceptions this setup never works. The emotion that you mention above gets in the way in this situation since a coach will have strong feelings for players that he drafted & will play them and/or hold onto them even in situations where it is not warranted.

 

[Breed]

SoCal and Diamond,

I agree all around with what y'all are saying.

 

[Breed]

Not sure about the love for Hall. We don't even know if he can play safety, what we do know is he will continue to get injured as most old, fading players tend to do. Hatcher is a tougher call. He's had a few really good games and because of the cap hit I agree, one more year. Goldson? Meh. Being better than what we have had does not mean he's been good. I don't see Cousins only taking a 2 year deal, he will have better offers. Commit X million in guaranteed money, then structure it like the Niners deal with Kap where the total figure makes headlines but in reality the team has outs.

I'm 99.9999999999% sure Hall can play free safety and do so better than pretty much everyone who's played FS since ST up to this season. At the very least, we'd know he'd be bringing legitimate ball-hawk skills and the ability to catch passes he gets his hands on to the table. The continuing to get injured issue is something that can't be dismissed though.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I just think it's nuts to fill a problem position for years with a 32 year old injury prone player who has never proven that he can play safety. His "ball hawking skills" also can be translated into taking chances which was always his rep at corner. And when the FS takes a chance and it's the wrong move there's nobody behind to cover for him.

 

[Breed]

No more nuts than using Reed Doughty for years, bringing back Ryan Clark, drafting Laron Landry at 6 4 years after drafting ST at 5, etc etc etc. And if yiu don't think Hall can be a better cover safety than the every player mentioned sans ST. I don't know what to tell you. As for ball-hawking = to getting burned. Sure, but we've had plenty non-ball-hawking, no chance taking players manning the spot for years who've been torched like they were hit with napalm for years.

Its the same principle as moving DY to TE where he'd instantly become our best blocking TE. It wasn't too long ago when Hall was our best cover CB. Those cover skills, like DY's blocking skills will come along with the player at their new position. You call it a risk and there is some inherently, such as as Hall gets older, he's not gonna get any healthier. I look at it though as shrewd thinking and creatively addressing an issue that as of this moment. Has yet to be adequately addressed in all the conventional ways.

 

[skinsdad62]

we will see about hall but a lot depends on the draft too

 

[Sportster 72]

No more nuts than using Reed Doughty for years,QUOTE]

Now, now you are picking on one of my favorite Redskins over the last number of years. Reed was a football player's type of player. He certainly wasn't a star and if you put him in a situation where he likely couldn't succeed he would but when asked to play SS instead of FS he did okay. He played a hell of a lot harder than a lot of guys who made a hell of a lot more money wearing the same uniform.